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Originally posted by ChadNice catch in the earlier post…question though. How did you cook it? I heard sail and sword fish are only good if smoked?
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Maybe true for sailfish, ive never had one and dont have a strong opinion on it. But definitely not true for swordfish. Very delicious!
Very sad to see the amount of hostility towards another fisherman, I am not commercial fishing , I grew up on the water and it turned into a profession. Sorry if I bothered some of you living under rock that have not had the opportunity to travel to various different destinations to fish. In addition to this being the first forum someone has ever said go back to where you came from, let me tell you what goes around comes around (karma) If anyone comes to miami and asks me what to fish for or how to do it , I have no problem sharing my knowledge, passion and the little wisdom I have for the waters I grew up in . So for all of those who read this and think I’m some chump from down south who is number hunting , your an idiot and can shove that comment where it belongs . It’s called networking and figuring out new waters before you get into a situation you don’t want to be in . As a 100captain since the age of 18 I have met a lot of amazing people fishing in new places with open arms, unfortunately sounds like some of you still need good talking to and a big eye opener so you can see the world a little more optimistically and not looking at the bottom of the rock …your stuck under.v
Tomfishallday
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Originally posted by tomfishalldayVery sad to see the amount of hostility towards another fisherman, I am not commercial fishing , I grew up on the water and it turned into a profession. Sorry if I bothered some of you living under rock that have not had the opportunity to travel to various different destinations to fish. In addition to this being the first forum someone has ever said go back to where you came from, let me tell you what goes around comes around (karma) If anyone comes to miami and asks me what to fish for or how to do it , I have no problem sharing my knowledge, passion and the little wisdom I have for the waters I grew up in . So for all of those who read this and think I’m some chump from down south who is number hunting , your an idiot and can shove that comment where it belongs . It’s called networking and figuring out new waters before you get into a situation you don’t want to be in . As a 100ton captain since the age of 18 I have met a lot of amazing people fishing in new places with open arms, unfortunately sounds like some of you still need good talking to and a big eye opener so you can see the world a little more optimistically and not looking at the bottom of the rock …your stuck under.v
Tomfishallday
Tomfishallday
Some people are just rude they were born knowing everything.
Lol I’m about the most polite person you will ever meet and I hope we can meet at some point.
I hope you catch some swordfish. Your first post is very misleading about your intentions and we have “new members” popping up all the time trying to troll free information. Sorry, didn’t mean to be that guy at all.
Tight lines -Derek
“mr keys”
i’ll second the motion that your first post was misleading in that you speak of 11 years working on a boat and are asking where to fish for swordfish in a new area?? I mean it just doesnt add up if you are a 100t captain, you definitely dont need us to find where swordfish are. Turn on your chartplotter and go find them. They are in the same type of spots they are in Miami. Your post didnt mention anything about rigs, equipment, or anything like that. The gist of it was: “i’m an exceptionally experienced fisherman, but i dont want to spend time finding the fish. please lead me to the fish so i can catch more in this new area i just moved to.” Not saying thats true, thats just the way it came out.
If you want to talk tactics, by all means go for it (but do it in the offshore discussion section. This website as a whole gets collectively more sarcastic if you post a non-report in the reports section.). If you are looking for a local store for tackle and/or swordfishing knowledge, i would recommend atlantic game/tackle. Good luck, once we get all our punches in on the new guy, most people here are alright
tomfishallday,
I am a South Carolina native and love it here but what you are experiencing are people with charlestonitis. It’s a disease that causes people walk in circles and sniff each others asses at boat ramps and pose in the latest gear but who don’t really fish more than a handful of times a year, if that.
They love to opine about everything fishing related, pretend they own the ocean. Most of them apparently have super duper top secret fishing numbers that no one knows about but everyone else is always trying to get them to spill the beans. Especially commercial fisherman who if they found out the top secret location would quickly swoop in to slaughter all the fish at that location.
I have fished all over the world and everywhere I’ve been except Charleston the fishing community is basically the same. They all help each other, talk on the radio, congratulate each other when someone brings back the big one. The fleet is a team culture.
Not so for Charleston. I have read this website since it’s inception and the culture of this board is the same as the culture on the docks here. Most people are too stuck up and snobbish to give any real information so you really are just left to your own devices.
It’s taken me 25 years of fishing to learn the little bit I know but I’m proud to share what I’ve learned with anyone. If it helps the next guy take a short cut and become better than me so be it, good for them. We’re all part of the same community and team of brothers that love to fish. At least that’s how I see it.
If I had done any swordfishing here I would definitely share with you what I know but I haven’t. I’ve only bit I’ve done is down your way in S FL. It’s such a long way to the grounds that I would rather just troll the break for other pelagics.
seakoon out.
This is an interesting perspective SeaKoon. I have had more people tell me about how they have been helped by other’s on this site over the years. I certainly agree there are some that can give that vibe when posting, but I think the majority try to be helpful. I think many times is has to do with the delivery of the question as to how the response will go. I too thought by the initial post that tomfishallday was working some type of commercial boat and thought is was odd that a commercial guy would not already be familiar with this area. Most of the responses I have seen seem to have had that same impression. I would hope that at some point you and others are able to find some information on this site that is helpful to you learning more about fishing our area and enjoying the great resource we have here.
Only people in Charleston keep secrets?!?! Wow, I’ve heard it all now.
I happen to own a one of a kind “secret spot safety box” if anyone is in fear of losing their fishing spots I can help you out. It’s a simple process; send me the numbers and I’ll lock em away in the SSSB.
2006 23 SeaCraft, 2008 Suzuki 250.
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Originally posted by ApickettThis is an interesting perspective SeaKoon. I have had more people tell me about how they have been helped by other’s on this site over the years. I certainly agree there are some that can give that vibe when posting, but I think the majority try to be helpful. I think many times is has to do with the delivery of the question as to how the response will go. I too thought by the initial post that tomfishallday was working some type of commercial boat and thought is was odd that a commercial guy would not already be familiar with this area. Most of the responses I have seen seem to have had that same impression. I would hope that at some point you and others are able to find some information on this site that is helpful to you learning more about fishing our area and enjoying the great resource we have here.
Charleston is a very challenging fishing fraternity to integrate into. I lived in Charleston for a couple of years, have friends that are top notch mates and captains down there and I like to consider myself a very capable fisherman from flounder to billfish but very rarely do you walk into open arms on the docks around Charleston.
As for this site, I can’t imagine that as the owner of Chasfishing.com you haven’t noticed the massive decline in quality fishing reports and fishing discussion that has been replaced by meaningless bickering and posturing. This can be directly attributed to the assholes that are allowed to roam free and bash anyone and everything on a daily basis with no moderator oversight. Of all of the main fishing forums I participate in, this is the only site that I receive PMs asking me to tone down the information in my reports so that all of the weekend warriors don’t run out there and ruin it for everyone.
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Well if you help some one, half the people on here hate you for it. Trust me every time I’ve posted a spot on here that is very public people cry. There’s not enough fish in the ocean for some people. A lot of the biggest jerks about it are the ones who know the most. Charleston has a lot of social segregation, its like all the little cliques people form in high school, I don’t know if its community pressures insecurities or what but there’s a ton of followers in Charleston. Your post seemed a little redundant in the fact that you are a sword fisherman and they typically follow the same pattern everywhere so one look at a map would be the same as any numbers people would give you. Plus there is the reputation that Florida’s sword fish population has had a strong decline and is only small fish now. It makes your question seem like your looking for new hunting grounds. Then there’s the idea for the few people who fish out there that your gonna impact there resources. Commercial fishers have a bad rep for the most part around here.
It’s pretty simple folks… There is a phenomenon called “Tragedy of the Commons”. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
This is the crux of the problem. Its a REAL thing.
I can promise you that secrecy is the best thing that has happened to our fishery. It limits the pressure on a finite resource. Take a trip down to the keys where there are virtually no secrets. Too many fisherman on fishing grounds that are too accessible. The fish have all but been decimated. South Florida is the same way. People don’t want that to happen here. It’s as simple as that. If everything was public knowledge then the fishery would be destroyed. If you do not subscribe to this, go ahead and PM your top 10 bottom fishing numbers to everyone on the website. Your spot would be fished out in months.
Most people on this website have established relationships and share a ton of knowledge with people they know. What’s the point of giving up the fishery on a public web forum? When you post it on the web for everyone in the world to see, it can’t be taken back. Why make everyone efficient killers? Many of those guys you are “teaching” have ZERO respect for the fishery and they can’t wait to “fill the gloo” with 3x the limit. Many of them don’t share the same morals or ethics as you so when you are “helping them” you literally hurt everyone else in the fishery. There is nothing wrong with sharing information, but why not do it with people you have actually met? It’s one thing to give out “basic information” that anyone can look up, but why discuss things that give people a unique edge on the fishery?
There is most definitely a “click” (both on here and at the docks of the Charleston/Mt Pleasant area) but there are definitely some knowledgeable fishermen on here that, while they won’t do it openly on the forums, have been very helpful to me (via PM) and I am very to grateful to them for that. I now know who I can turn to for trustworthy and dependable information so instead of posting questions on here (and risk getting jumped on and insulted) I simply PM those people. A lot of people act like they’re interested in “protecting the resource,” and some truly are, but a lot of those “actors” are actually more interested in keeping the resource to themselves. The only thing being “protected” in that instance is one’s selfishness. WE are our own worst enemy.
As far as tomfishallday’s comment, I didn’t see the issue. He specifically said he wasn’t asking for numbers, just basic info. As is typically the case, those that weren’t clear of his intentions immediately conjured up the absolute worst case scenario and went after him with accusations. He wasn’t asking for top secret national security information or an address to deliver you a dose of anthrax or ricin in the mail. He was asking about a fishing spot. Relax people!
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
There’s lines. I would never give up a spot with any secrecy. I got 1000s of numbers public, private and top secret government numbers. Telling some one edisto banks or blacks bank or y73 is not that big of a tip. Most people struggle with coordinates and if they are slightly off they are done. A lot of good spots are tiny and get over looked so when a rook gets a hold of the number they waste there time, they don’t even know what they are looking for and usually won’t find it. I’ve sent a lot of numbers to people, I may of even posted them all on here like 2 years ago but I think that thread got deleted. They were a collection of every public number from Georgia to NC. I guess I doomed all our fishing. If you have a basic knowledge of our area a computer internet connection and are at least a half brain you can find more numbers than you will ever want to fish. There’s even a noaa coordinates map that you can get the coordinates for every wreck, dump or reef they report on the charts.
quote:Public spots are not secret, but if you tell everyone, "Hey we caught 10 yellowfins at the GT Hole Friday", where do you think that the Spanish armada will end up on Saturday?
Originally posted by 40inchredsThere’s lines. I would never give up a spot with any secrecy. I got 1000s of numbers public, private and top secret government numbers. Telling some one edisto banks or blacks bank or y73 is not that big of a tip. Most people struggle with coordinates and if they are slightly off they are done. A lot of good spots are tiny and get over looked so when a rook gets a hold of the number they waste there time, they don’t even know what they are looking for and usually won’t find it. I’ve sent a lot of numbers to people, I may of even posted them all on here like 2 years ago but I think that thread got deleted. They were a collection of every public number from Georgia to NC. I guess I doomed all our fishing. If you have a basic knowledge of our area a computer internet connection and are at least a half brain you can find more numbers than you will ever want to fish. There’s even a noaa coordinates map that you can get the coordinates for every wreck, dump or reef they report on the charts.
When it comes to trolling, that’s really the problem. There is no courtesy in boating anymore. Most of the guys who need the internet to help them find fish are the first ones to run over your lines and then cuss you out on the radio. Everyone has seen it where there is 50-100 boats fishing the GT Hole. It’s like playing bumper cars and almost impossible to fish that way. You have the experienced guys working a specific line\area and then the “internet” crowd doing crazy 8’s all over the place taking out everything in their path.
Again, it wasn’t long ago that people actually had to meet up face to
And by the way, if this is the scariest place on the internet with the most “bad guys” on it, then you haven’t been very far. This site is TAME compared to many others.
I agree bottom numbers tight lipped there are a lot of rocks within sight of the big buildings on the beach on a good vis day to catch gags I dont want everyone to have.If I run 70 miles offshore and find a big edge I dont have a problem sharing. But I will also tell them with a 4 to 5 knot tide 24 hours later problem gonna be gone.
quote:So basically what you are saying is that you don't mind sharing as long as that information is useless. Does that sum it up?
Originally posted by sand monkeyI agree bottom numbers tight lipped there are a lot of rocks within sight of the big buildings on the beach on a good vis day to catch gags I dont want everyone to have.If I run 70 miles offshore and find a big edge I dont have a problem sharing. But I will also tell them with a 4 to 5 knot tide 24 hours later problem gonna be gone.
You can NOT share information on a public forum if you so choose, no one is challenging that, but that doesn’t mean anyone that comes to a public forum and requests general information should be chastised for doing so. A new guy asked for information and he’s greeted with a “go back to where you came from because you’re not one of us” mentality.
I don’t understand the correlation between not knowing how to handle your vessel on the water and where you get your fishing information. I agree there’s no better information than that gathered in the field or on the water but that doesn’t make any other source a “bad” source of information. There’s no such thing as too much GOOD information. The ability to process good information from multiple sources will only serve to make you better at your craft. A moron behind the wheel (in a truck or a boat) is a moron behind the wheel regardless of where they got their directions from.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.