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Originally posted by skinneejThey killed twice as many as us!!! Do the ones that get killed on a hook magically repopulate faster?
Skinee…you know better than trying to use logic here. Emotion will always trump logic.
Just admit that 3 killed by spear is A LOT more than 6 killed by hook.
quote:S4G-I cant find it , byt thanks anyway.
Originally posted by Scoutin 4 Goodiesquote:
Originally posted by BolbieDude,if they shut it all down,you frogmen can still go out there and shoot it all up.Yes I have a problem with that.
6 genuines.
I wonder what we would have left if all of us grabbed a BC and a spear gun anytime we wanted some fish?Nothing.
If this spearing has been around for so long,why cant they do it in the Bahamas?
If they shut it down I am sure divers will be included. You keep forgetting that the intent is to STOP fishing not restock. If the concern was with the restocking that would have taken the advice of adding more reefs and developing a restocking program. Follow the money back to these wacko environmental groups, they want us to STOP fishing period.
I am finding it hard to argue with you for you total ignorance on this subject. I don’t want to get into a fisherman vs divers debate here. We need to act as one not be divided. But your statements are unsupported and just plain misinformed. Shoot me a PM sometime, I will gladly sit down and explain this in person, show you what is involved, heck you can even tag along one trip. I bet your views will change.
Stress, look for sellsfish’s trigger fish recipe in the Tidewater magazine. He says it is on there website as well. I plan on cooking my snapper with it tonight for the wife. If it tastes half as good as it sounds I will be a hero.
If you can’t fix it with a hammer, you’ve got an electrical problem.
Lets cross some Eyes.
quote:I was waiting for that.Yes he caught 6 that day,but whatd he catch the other 4 times he went out???O Genuine Red Snapper,a few black fish,a mess of triggers. Like I said before,not biting the hook is natures way of survival.Jumping in the water with a spear gun,shooting the biggest ones is not natural,there is no defense for them.Twist it anyway you want. From all that I gather,spear-raping will still be allowed,even if the closure happens. But hey,I am misinformed,don't know what the hell I am talking about.
Originally posted by greg1quote:
Originally posted by skinneejThey killed twice as many as us!!! Do the ones that get killed on a hook magically repopulate faster?
Skinee…you know better than trying to use logic here. Emotion will always trump logic.
Just admit that 3 killed by spear is A LOT more than 6 killed by hook.
quote:You are misinformed. It is listed as a "proposed exception", but will never gain any traction. If you understand the *REAL* motivation behind the SAMFC is because they want to create a large scale MPA, then you will understand why spearfishing will never be truly considered.
Originally posted by Bolbiequote:I was waiting for that.Yes he caught 6 that day,but whatd he catch the other 4 times he went out???O Genuine Red Snapper,a few black fish,a mess of triggers. Like I said before,not biting the hook is natures way of survival.Jumping in the water with a spear gun,shooting the biggest ones is not natural,there is no defense for them.Twist it anyway you want. From all that I gather,spear-raping will still be allowed,even if the closure happens. But hey,I am misinformed,don't know what the hell I am talking about.
Originally posted by greg1quote:
Originally posted by skinneejThey killed twice as many as us!!! Do the ones that get killed on a hook magically repopulate faster?
Skinee…you know better than trying to use logic here. Emotion will always trump logic.
Just admit that 3 killed by spear is A LOT more than 6 killed by hook.
You can mark my words. If this stuff passes, the future of fisheries management will be to start off with this huge MPA (at this time called a “temporary closure”) and when the next SEDAR stock assessment comes out, they will “tune” this closure by
The following is my opinion as a fisherman who has not personally spearfished. I only have run the boat for these guys a few times in the last few years. I have fished all my life, however.
Spearing being allowed in the closed areas will be an enforcement nightmare.
It isn’t going to happen.
Plus, if you take away the discard mortality whacko science that I can prove wrong with SAFMC’s own studies that they purposefully misquoted/misinterpreted in the last SEDAR for red snapper, then the argument for the shutdown is to get the age structure more bell shaped instead of skewed left. Spearing generally does not fit in with that goal, and SAFMC knows is.
The spearing allowed alternative is a distractor, Bolbie. It is a wedge tactic. You never expected that from bureaucrats, but Carl Rove taught everyone how in the '90s.
The commercial vs recreational wedge isn’t getting as far for them now that commercials are out of business and they see us working together against this nonsense. So they’ll use spearing. Or they’ll use state vs state. Anything to buy them just a little more traction while we slip.
Don’t be fooled. They want as many 40 year old gags and ARS out there as there are 5 year olds. They aren’t going to allow spearing despite it’s lower discard mortality because of the selectivity for larger fish because of the problem with not being able to measure the smaller fish before you shoot them to make sure they’re legal and because of spearing affording better access to the larger fish, among other things. There’s also the enforcement problem with allowing only spearing.
The same thing goes for trolling. Oops I accidentally catch all these gags as I’m slow trolling for kings. I can’t help it because there’s more gags here than any other species. Ah crap they won’t allow slow trolling anymore now.
It’s all part of the agenda.
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Asking this question won’t change anything and it may not be a very good one But… If you look at some inshore species that were extremely threatened (saltwater stripers and redfish), they are both doing extremely well right now. Why? size and quantity limits on recreational anglers and severe restrictions on the commercials esp the netting **tards. We were out on Sun and C&R’d about 40 vermillions in 4-5 hrs. Preventing us from taking a few while giving the “catch share” to the commercials (and that might include comm divers)is the SAFMC’s way of saying “I’m stupid and you can’t do anything about it.” #@# them!
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Originally posted by gray duckAsking this question won’t change anything and it may not be a very good one But… If you look at some inshore species that were extremely threatened (saltwater stripers and redfish), they are both doing extremely well right now. Why? size and quantity limits on recreational anglers and severe restrictions on the commercials esp the netting **tards. We were out on Sun and C&R’d about 40 vermillions in 4-5 hrs. Preventing us from taking a few while giving the “catch share” to the commercials (and that might include comm divers)is the SAFMC’s way of saying “I’m stupid and you can’t do anything about it.” #@# them!
The commercial season closed 6 weeks before the rec’s.FYI
I am not opposed to growing the fishery at all. I want to continue to catch fish and take my kids and grand kids for many years to come. If the feds were doing this with good research and had everyone’s interest at stake I would be fine with it. But this is not the case!! Lets grow the fishery, lets add wrecks, lets begin a stocking program, lets keep international commercial fisherman OUT of our waters. Let’s work to reduce shrimp boat by catch. There are TONS of options that can be implemented to better or fishery but letting some federal government run association backed by HARD CORE environmentalist that want to see the end of fishing take over is ridiculous! There are SO many options here and so many scenarios that allow us to be involved in the solution. Like the redfish I am not opposed to a slot IF that is what we need to aid our fishery. Closing it down is not the direction we need to go.
If you can’t fix it with a hammer, you’ve got an electrical problem.
quote:What does this imply?
Originally posted by Courtlandquote:
Originally posted by gray duckAsking this question won’t change anything and it may not be a very good one But… If you look at some inshore species that were extremely threatened (saltwater stripers and redfish), they are both doing extremely well right now. Why? size and quantity limits on recreational anglers and severe restrictions on the commercials esp the netting **tards. We were out on Sun and C&R’d about 40 vermillions in 4-5 hrs. Preventing us from taking a few while giving the “catch share” to the commercials (and that might include comm divers)is the SAFMC’s way of saying “I’m stupid and you can’t do anything about it.” #@# them!
The commercial season closed 6 weeks before the rec’s.FYI
quote:Hmmm... What about poor visibility and migration of fish into deeper waters that are inaccessible by most divers? Wouldn't that be considered nature's way of protecting itself?
Originally posted by BolbieLike I said before,not biting the hook is natures way of survival.Jumping in the water with a spear gun,shooting the biggest ones is not natural,there is no defense for them.Twist it anyway you want.
From all that I gather,spear-raping will still be allowed,even if the closure happens.
But hey,I am misinformed,don’t know what the hell I am talking about.
Also, your whole misconception relies around the fact that you believe that a fish just sits on the bottom waiting for a diver to swim up and shoot it. Hopefully you understand that humans are not the only predators in the ocean and in the simplest of terms, fish understand what a predator looks like. Do you think that the largest of fish just sit there and wait for a large predator like a shark to swim up and eat them? It’s no different for divers. I’ve always been told that “fish get that big for a reason”.
It’s funny that you mention the bahamas. The bahamas is a lot more accessible. In the bahamas, there isn’t much “natural” protection from overfishing. You can literally wade in off the beach and kill 50lb snappers. I’ve personally seen 40lb snappers a stone’s throw from the beach in 25’ of crystal clear water. You can probably hunt them any day that there isn’t a hurricane.
The environment in Charleston is much different. Since you like how “nature” protects itself, you have to understand that our grouper and snapper aren’t as accessible as the fish in the bahamas. Nature has placed them 15+ miles offshore out to 400+ feet of water.
And you STILL TO THIS DAY cannot produce a picture of a diver killing a 50lb grouper i
Yes the commercial season was closed earlier but simply because the 302,523 lb quota for july-dec was “met.” It will reopen in Jan so in Feb when you and I would like to go out and get some the commercials will have been loading their boats with em for two months already.
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Originally posted by skinneej I'll post some pictures in a bit, but I also got some video of large snappers and large groupers underwater.
skinnee, Nice report and pictures, but where are the videos?
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quote:How about 30" fish swimming away from 84" fish? Isn't that nature's way of survival?
Originally posted by BolbieLike I said before,not biting the hook is natures way of survival.
I’m pretty sure snapper have been avoiding bigger fish for a lot longer than they’ve been avoiding fluorocarbon leaders and off set j-hooks.
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Originally posted by BolbieBut hey,I am misinformed,don’t know what the hell I am talking about.
At least you are now admitting it. That’s a good start.
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Originally posted by stressrelief 28.5S4G-I cant find it , byt thanks anyway.
Lets cross some Eyes.
Here is the site:
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/nov/03/Trigger_Happy/
Paul’s Stuffed Triggerfish
When you’re dealing with fresh triggerfish, you don’t have to be a chef to figure out how to whip up something delicious. This fine-eating fish yields restaurant-quality filets with light flavor and a perfect texture, suitable for substituting for grouper or snapper in almost any recipe.
This dish, suggested by Lowcountry angler and bottom-fishing specialist Paul Godbout, is a breeze to prepare. The rich seafood stuffing and light paprika seasoning beef up the mild filet, producing a hearty main course.
Spread any leftover stuffing on slices of French bread and toast in an over for a wonderful appetizer.
This recipe serves four.
Ingredients
4 fresh triggerfish filets
1 cup of crab claw meat (precooked and packaged at grocery store)
1 cup of raw Lowcountry shrimp
8-ounce package of cream cheese
paprika to taste
Cooking instructions
Preheat oven to 350 degrees and spray a baking pan with nonstick cooking spray.
Butterfly each filet to create pockets for the stuffing (far left).
Peel and devein the shrimp, then cut into small pieces.
Sort through crab claw meat to remove any shells and break up large chunks.
Combine crab, shrimp and cream cheese in a large bowl, gently mix until even. Mixing is easier if cream cheese is at room temperature.
Carefully spoon seafood mixture into the pockets of each butterflied filet. Sprinkle paprika on top of the fish, then place on pan.
WELL ??? How was it?
hello stress28!
still protesting!
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Originally posted by sellsfishWELL ??? How was it?
still protesting!
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intronetfishermansuperheros
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
It was STRONG!! We made the recipe for 4 and the 2 of us ate almost all of it. I saved a bit to take to work for one of my buddies that loves fish. Very good!! Thank you sir!
If you can’t fix it with a hammer, you’ve got an electrical problem.
Thanks S4G Ill be trying it this weekend.I would also like to thank Paul for the recipe.One of these days Ill learn how to use this thing the way you do.
Lets cross some Eyes.
Hey what depth and water temp were you in?
quote:Didn't really matter. Fish were thick from 115' inshore to 70'.
Originally posted by dmszlamHey what depth and water temp were you in?
quote:I'm not sure what you guys are getting at here, but also realize that the commercial/recreational split is 68%/32%.
Originally posted by gray duckYes the commercial season was closed earlier but simply because the 302,523 lb quota for july-dec was “met.” It will reopen in Jan so in Feb when you and I would like to go out and get some the commercials will have been loading their boats with em for two months already.
