TLD "LRS" system

I’m curious as to why people are turned off by the non-LRS system???

The LRS system basically ported the drag system from the TLD80 to the TLD50 to appeal to west coast tuna boat guys who fight large tuna on 80-100lb braid from a stopped boat needing up to 35 lbs of drag!

Furthermore, from “freespool” to “strike”, with the LRS system, the drag backs off a lot quicker (i.e. it is not as granular and able to be finely adjusted in small increments as the non-LRS version).

I can’t imagine that you guys are using 35lbs of drag on 50-60lb mono which is probably what most of you are spooling your TLD 50’s with, so why the big turn off with the non-LRS?

The reality of it is that the non-LRS is better for 95% of the trolling that goes on out of Charleston and people just want their reel to say “LRS” because it’s cool… I say better, because the whole point of a lever drag is to be able to adjust the drag in the middle of battle and you have much more granularity with the non-LRS version than you do with LRS…

Thus, I contend that for Charleston, the TLD50 is much better than the TLD50LRS for most of our applications.

Thoughts?

I have 4 tld 50 LRS and am going to get one more. I have 3 of my LRS’s spooled with 80 lbs braid and toped with 100lb mono. I can use this reel now to troll with plus go sword fishing with. The 4th 50 LRS I have spooled with 200lb braid and is on a bent butt and topped with 150lb mono… This reel is my workhorse and the best thing recommended to me. I use this as my planer rod and a grouper whoop ass stick. I plan on getting a 5th set up and using it the same way on another bent butt. So then I have 5 set ups with the 80 drag system that I can use to catch everything in the ocean. Plus now I am fishing a 80 size reel that is smaller and lighter. Fill with braid and have more capacity. If you are using your 50’s for just trolling for phin then a tld 25 is all you need, but when you are trying to catch anything from phin to sword you need the lrs. Also since both are the same price why not go for the one with more power.

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I have 2 brand new rods 50’s that are still in the plastic when they were made;Ted Orrell who custom built all of my 'stuff" for me and was a dear friend who is no longer with us owned and operated Baitbusters Bait and Tackle out of Pompano Beach and WAS a Expert on reel repair;I asked him once about that and he said there is really not that much difference in the two EXCEPT for the drag washer’s.As I know nothing about the mechanics of internal reel mechanism I would have to agree with you and him that I would get the non LRS version.
I will say that he told me that if you need 35 lbs. of drag you might want to consider the 50 Int. instead.I don’t have a boat any more and since I’m stuck in the upstate if and when I get to go after some “Real” fish I’ll just keep using the TLD25’s I got as they will catch anything out Here that swim’s!!!

Ditto to what Cobia said. I use a 50LRS on a bent butt rod with 80lb mono and I can run big planers and high speed wahoo rigs off of it no problem. The 80lb mono is very important for high speed wahoo trolling since 50lb can snap during the strike since there is so much energy involved when trolling over 10 knots.

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Originally posted by silky

I asked him once about that and he said there is really not that much difference in the two EXCEPT for the drag washer’s.


I believe it's actually the entire cam system as well... The significance is that the LRS puts a lot more pressure on a lot quicker in that same lever move. I'm not sure that's a good thing!
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Originally posted by cobia256

I have 4 tld 50 LRS and am going to get one more. I have 3 of my LRS’s spooled with 80 lbs braid and toped with 100lb mono. I can use this reel now to troll with plus go sword fishing with. The 4th 50 LRS I have spooled with 200lb braid and is on a bent butt and topped with 150lb mono… This reel is my workhorse and the best thing recommended to me. I use this as my planer rod and a grouper whoop ass stick. I plan on getting a 5th set up and using it the same way on another bent butt. So then I have 5 set ups with the 80 drag system that I can use to catch everything in the ocean. Plus now I am fishing a 80 size reel that is smaller and lighter. Fill with braid and have more capacity. If you are using your 50’s for just trolling for phin then a tld 25 is all you need, but when you are trying to catch anything from phin to sword you need the lrs. Also since both are the same price why not go for the one with more power.

Chad
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I can understand that setup. As I mentioned before, you are actually matching the line to the reel. But I think you are in the minority. I bet 90% of the TLD 50's around here have straight 50-60lb mono on them.

Also, do you actually set your drags to 35 lbs for that setup? If you never use 35lbs of drag, then are you really using the LRS feature?

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Originally posted by JordanOnaYak

Ditto to what Cobia said. I use a 50LRS on a bent butt rod with 80lb mono and I can run big planers and high speed wahoo rigs off of it no problem. The 80lb mono is very important for high speed wahoo trolling since 50lb can snap during the strike since there is so much energy involved when trolling over 10 knots.

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All your rods are rigged like this?
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Originally posted by cobia256

Also since both are the same price why not go for the one with more power.


My argument is that people aren't actually using the extra "power". If you aren't using 35lbs of drag, then why not opt for the reel that gives you more fine grain control over drag adjustments?

The difference is actually a little more in the tiagra than the TLD.

TLD50IIA - 29lbs drag at strike, 37lbs at full
TLD50IILRSA - 32 lbs drag at strike, 42lbs at full
– So you get about 10% more drag at strike

TI50A - 28.5lbs strike, 37.5lbs at full
TI50LRSA - 35 strike, 44 at full
– About 24% more drag at strike

Beats me… I only use one rig with the 50lrs so that I can pull planers and high speed wahoo. The regular 50 specs 50lb mono as the max line so I went with the LRS which specs for 80lb mono. As long as you don’t go nuts with the drag lever you will catch fish.

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I don’t know that it’s a maximum of sorts. I think it’s just the recommendation to match the drag and spool capacity. Again, if you are putting 80lb braid on the LRS and using a very heavy drag, then it makes a little more sense. You don’t even need the heavy drag when high speeding. The planer is about the only rational argument that I have seen. But most people I know only have 1-2 planer rods.

I contend that most people just like the “LRS” because they think that they are getting more bells and whistles, when the reality is, they are not gaining anything (and possibly actually losing something = finer drag granularity). In your case, I also have a planer rod, but I think that the 50 is a little small for that job. Most people (including myself) that I know step it up to the Penn 9\0 or Penn70+ or Shimano80.

To me, it’s like you want to buy an off road bike just in case you decide to go off road one day, when the reality is that your ride your bike on the pavement every day. Or maybe a better analogy is that they buy 8 off road bikes because they may decide to take 1 or 2 of them off road one day!

I appreciate your insights here, but you are way over most people’s pay grades…

Some people like to pull a planer with their 50 wide sized reel so they don’t have to buy a more expensive 80 wide, btw…

When will there be a thread about how come people still use 50 wides to troll for dolphin and wahoo, btw?


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9/0 senator is cheaper than a 50!

9/0 won’t hold what a exw50/2 Avet or 50WLRS TLD can tho…
A 12/0 senator just is not as cool to drop on your nice deck gelcoat or hand to a chick to reel in a fish with…


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Originally posted by Phin

9/0 won’t hold what a exw50/2 Avet or 50WLRS TLD can tho…
A 12/0 senator just is not as cool to drop on your nice deck gelcoat or hand to a chick to reel in a fish with…


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Are we going for performance or budget? :smiley: Anyway, again, I understand why you "need" an LRS for an application like a planer rod. I've already stated that! But why do the other 13 rods need to be LRS? My point is that I find it interesting that people are "turned off" by the non-LRS version, when there is a 90% chance that they aren't using the LRS features in the first place!!!
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When will there be a thread about how come people still use 50 wides to troll for dolphin and wahoo, btw?


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Ditto this. Using 50s for regular trolling around here is much sillier than people having LRS reels.

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Originally posted by The Dude
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Originally posted by Phin

When will there be a thread about how come people still use 50 wides to troll for dolphin and wahoo, btw?


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Ditto this. Using 50s for regular trolling around here is much sillier than people having LRS reels.


I'm not interested in chasing down 20lb dolphin on 6lbs of drag all day. We want to get them in fast and catch something bigger.
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Originally posted by The Dude
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Originally posted by Phin

When will there be a thread about how come people still use 50 wides to troll for dolphin and wahoo, btw?


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Ditto this. Using 50s for regular trolling around here is much sillier than people having LRS reels.


I'm not interested in chasing down 20lb dolphin on 6lbs of drag all day. We want to get them in fast and catch something bigger.

Bo,

What reel cannot put out but 6lbs of drag? You have one of those old Shimano Charter Special lever drags that will break in half at the base if you lock down on a flip flop dolphin?

You have got to check out the new reels being made in California. They come in all sorts of fun colors! Some people say they catch record class fish- but I am not sure if that is reel or just something on the intercawebtranetspaceforumsbook.

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Originally posted by Phin

Bo,

What reel cannot put out but 6lbs of drag? You have one of those old Shimano Charter Special lever drags that will break in half at the base if you lock down on a flip flop dolphin?

You have got to check out the new reels being made in California. They come in all sorts of fun colors! Some people say they catch record class fish- but I am not sure if that is reel or just something on the intercawebtranetspaceforumsbook.


What kind of LINE are you putting on those 25's? I'm not worried about the reel. I'm worried about the breaking strength of 20-30lb test which is what I would put on a TLD-25.

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