Tournament Director

Danny has decided to step down as our co-tournament director. We thank him for his service over the last year and a half.

In accordance with the club bylaws, we will hold nominations and elections at the June meeting. Please consider potential candidates prior to the meeting so we may select a new partner for Liz.

Thanks

Shawn

Danny did a great job. He will truly be missed. He had a thorough understanding of the Tournament Rules, and tried to enforce them, within the limitations of his authority.

Rick K
2310 Polar Bay Boat
Yamaha 250 4 Stroke

Sorry to see this happen Danny and Liz have a thankless tough job .rules are made to be followed not bent .Danny is an asset to our club sad it came to this conclusion… my 2 cents.

TOM GITTO
Team Keepn It Reel
Is this really happening, they were here yesterday.
20ft Sea Hunt cc Blue T Top

This may be a little late but… The club bylaws state…

                    Section 4: Vacancies

In the event of an office or committee appointment becoming vacant, nominations shall be asked
for and an election held to fill the unexpired term at the next regular meeting by simple majority
vote.

Doesn’t that mean we ask for nominations at the June meeting and vote at the July meeting? For our annual officer elections, we nominate in November and vote in December. In this manner, the club members have an opportunity to speak with the candidate/s and cast an informed vote. For by-law changes, the club constitution allows for a period of consideration before a club vote. Why would this election be any different?

The by-law needs revision for clarity because it can be read both ways. But to allow a nomination to take place and a vote immediately following the nomination gives no time for club members to talk with the candidate and amongst themselves to gain support for the candidate. It may also put a nominee on the spot to accept a position without due consideration of the undertaking. Ask yourself which scenario is more healthy for the club… The club should always have a period of consideration and thought before a vote. Otherwise, we get knee jerk reactions and make mistakes.

Unfortunately, I have not had much interaction with the gentleman nominated but certainly thankful for his willingness to serve. What username does he go by on the messageboard and what is the name of his fishing team? My contention is not with the candidate but purely procedural.

the qualities of a good tournament director in my opinion… 1. Attends all club functions and tournaments. 2. Experienced tournament angler. 3. Has backbone to enforce the rules. 4. Proficient planner and foresight to be prepared for tournaments. 5. Probably most important, endorsed by Liz…since she exemplifies all these, with a nice smile too…lol It doesn’t say these qualities are required in the bylaws, but these are points we co

I understand the system is not perfect but it’s how the bylaws state we should handle it. My post on the message board was an effort to give everyone the heads up so a more informed decision could be made. Again, not perfect but it was the best way to reach the most people prior to the meeting. We followed the bylaws as written. Nominations and the election are to be held in conjunction with one another. The June meeting was the next “regular meeting”.

I am just not sure how to read “next scheduled meeting” other than the next meeting which was June. I appreciate your posting this. It certainly confirmed that the election last night was in accordance with our process. It is different than the yearly elections and noted as such.

Thanks,

Joby

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Originally posted by Reality_Bites

The by-law needs revision for clarity …


uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh … no … not doing any more of that … :smiley:

As for the “procedure” - Section 4 can only be read one way, so I’m with Joby and Shawn on that one … I think your confusion comes from trying to read two rules together … While the two rules deal with the same “topic” they do not deal with same situations …

Also, Riff was unopposed … Had someone else stepped up (and there was plenty of notice) then I think Shawn would have had each candidate introduce themselves to the club and then held a vote …

As for Riff personally, when the vacancy was announced Liz was the one who suggested Riff as a possible replacement … I vetted Riff prior to the meeting to make sure he was on board and understood what was being asked of him … He is (and has been) happy to support the club in any way the club needs him …

Riff and Liz managed the Leader Board in 2015 and then Riff and his teammate (who is also his Father) took over for Liz in 2016 when she moved up to TX Director …

Because Riff has assisted with the leader board for the last two years he does not get the opportunity to mingle at the weigh-ins like most of the other members do …

Riff’s team is Team Hard of Herring and his forum name is … well … Riff … LOL … :smiley:

I hope this clears things up for you both with the process and with the person …

… it’s my Wife’s fault we HAVE to fish !!!

2005 Sea Pro 2100cc / Yamaha 150hp 4-Stroke

Thank you for the update Rick on Riff and I’m glad to hear he has been involved and supported by Liz. I’m a bit embarrassed that I didn’t know all of this but I’m certainly familiar with the team name and know they have been participating for awhile and glad to have them. I will make it a point to speak more with them this weekend. But while it is important that Liz and a handful of the PAC supports the nomination, what is most important is that the club as a whole has ample time to support the nomination. You can’t assume that because someone doesn’t speak up immediately at a meeting for a clarification or to voice an opinion, that no one has one. People need time to think and consider things, PAC included. I’m not timid. I say what I think and I offer logical explanations after careful consideration.

I love you guys and I love this club. Please don’t misunderstand when I attack what you say or do, I am not attacking you personally. I know you mean well…but, open your eyes. Rick, when you say " uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh … no … not doing any more of that … in regards to by-law revisions, its not your call. It’s not my call…It’s up for the club to decide what they want…Here’s what the by-law says…

      Method of Amending Constitution and Bylaws

The constitution may be amended at any regular meeting, provided that the proposed amendment was posted prominently on the MSC website at least two weeks prior to the regular club meeting at which a vote is to be held. A vote in favor of the amendment by 2/3 of those present is required to pass the amendment. (Active members seeking club discussion for possible bylaws or tournament rules changes are requested to notify the president prior to the meeting so that time
may be allotted on the meeting agenda.)

So if I see something illogical, and make a proposal in accordance with said by-laws, and 2/3rds of the club agrees with the change, revision is done.

Now last night, unfortunately I didn’t have a copy of the by-law

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      Method of Amending Constitution and Bylaws

The constitution may be amended at any regular meeting, provided that the proposed amendment was posted prominently on the MSC website at least two weeks prior to the regular club meeting at which a vote is to be held. A vote in favor of the amendment by 2/3 of those present is required to pass the amendment. (Active members seeking club discussion for possible bylaws or tournament rules changes are requested to notify the president prior to the meeting so that time
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The above is how proposed amendments are to be handled. If and when a club member contacts me with an item they would like an open discussion on, I will add it to the next month’s agenda.

[sigh] … Here is my VP response …

On the issue of vacancies … the reason why the nomination and vote are done at the next available meeting is so there are no vacancies …

At the end of the year the elections are done while there are still people in the various positions therefore you have the luxury of time …

The key here is “vacancy” …

The “process” which occurred last night occurred in accordance with the MSC By-Laws as they are currently written …

The rule in question is clear, however, if you feel the need and/or desire to suggest a change then Shawn has provided the process by which you can attempt to do that …

… it’s my Wife’s fault we HAVE to fish !!!

2005 Sea Pro 2100cc / Yamaha 150hp 4-Stroke

We have a tournament director, therefore what vacancy is so pressing that it requires an immediate nomination, by the PAC, and immediate vote without due discussion or consideration? Two tournament directors is optional, otherwise the bylaws would state that we are to have two tournament directors. I am well aware of what the by-laws say Rick and Shawn. I wrote some of it years before you guys were club members. I write rules and regulations for the state as my job. Rules need constant updating. As technology changes, society changes , rules have to change as well. … Just to be clear, we have at least two prominent club officials on record willing to interpret a by-law to mean it’s better to make a quick officer election, nominated by the ruling PAC, with no membership discussion or consideration for the sake of the next tournament than to make a supported and informed election, with one month of consideration by the whole club, that will carry throughout the remainder of the term? What is clear is a propensity to take short cuts and defend illogical conclusions for the sake of taking the easy route instead of embracing what’s right and fair and just to all parties and making improvements.

Team Shad Up & Fish

If you’ve had fun catching fish on the transom bait, you are welcome…

I’ve spent about 85% of my life’s wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted…

Alright, I put on a tinfoil hat and next meeting still means next meeting. I could not find a way to a make this some vast conspiracy to stomp on the rights of the club. Woodie, I appreciate that you have an opinion but you are fishing for sharks in Lake Murray. They just aren’t there. You have a bunch for folks who were elected by the club, good point there, and are trying to do the best job they can.

I know you think you are exposing issues within the club. I am not sure what is driving it but you do not appear satisfied with much we do as elected representatives of the club. Run for office. Get involved. Volunteer. Nominating yourself for the open TDC role would have been a good opton.

Joby

Woody I don’t have a dog in this fight but Shawn posted on the message board in advance that I had stepped down, and we would need to get nominations together for a new tournament director and that one would be elected at the next meeting. Riff was nominated and ran unopposed because no one wants to do the tournament director job. The officers followed the bi laws to a tee in this one. My two cents worth on this one

Somebody licked the red off of a BUNCH of people’s suckers!:smiley::smiley::smiley:

Rick K
2310 Polar Bay Boat
Yamaha 250 4 Stroke

But Joby, why do I have to be an officer of the club to make suggestions and improvements? I am involved, or at least trying to be… I prefer to demonstrate that club members run this club. Is that not true? A suggestion for change needs to be taken on the merit of the suggestion, not the popularity or power of the one who makes it… In this instance, all I am doing is pointing out the lunacy of a by-law interpretation, where in two examples of elections, we have a period of due consideration and then for some reason in another election, we do not… All you have to do is agree that more consideration and time,one month, in electing a club officer is a better alternative and revise the language. When I was a club officer, I solicited the input of everyone. Yeah it takes more effort and yeah you will never please everyone but at least everyone knew their opinion was valuable. No one seems to ask my opinion before decisions are made, so now you get to hear them after… If other club members don’t want to excercise their right to question and comment on issues, then that is their perogative but to assume the PAC opinion is the only one that matters is bad business. I feel like if my opinion is considered then, everyone else who has an opinion will also have an opportunity to be heard. This is only one issue we are talking about. Sure I have more but I will address them at the opportune time. Hopefully some will resolve themselves.

To be fair to Shawn, he did post this action a week before the meeting and I didn’t see it to reply. So to say that no one asked for my opinion in this instance is not entirely accurate but that doesn’t change my opinion that the interpretation is wrong or needs to be revised.

Team Shad Up & Fish

If you’ve had fun catching fish on the transom bait, you are welcome…

I’ve spent about 85% of my life’s wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted…

Last post here. When you have an issue or a suggestion you bring it up to an officer or A PAC member so it can be discussed and input solicited. You have done that. Horse is dead and buried after an appropriate beating. We will consider your suggestion like we would have the first time it was brought up. The issue I have is that you accused club leadership of doing something wrong when they exactly followed the bylaws. You can think the rules may be different but everyone did it by the exact wording. Talk about change so great. Chastising people for not following what you wish the rules were is not productive and gets a little tedious.

Done here,

Joby

Woody has one point that I think is really valid, and that is the PAC Committee tends to make decisions in a vacuum. The best example I can offer is decreasing the creel limit to two fish. This is a major change in the way we run tournaments, and should have been shared with the general club membership, with a period allowed for discussion, BEFORE just deciding to make a change this significant.

The decision to have a tournament on Murray in June, with 5 and done, is also one that I think deserved input from the club. There are many other options, which the club did not get the opportunity to discuss.

Rick K
2310 Polar Bay Boat
Yamaha 250 4 Stroke

The message board is the place for discussions for by-law changes to take place. It is also supported in the by-laws. Thank you for your attention and consideration and I’ll be looking for that proposed new language to clarify the procedure very soon…unless you want me to type up a proposed ballot. I can put the language as it is now with a check box and the language as it should be for consistency with other elections with a check box and then post it here with summary of change for information… Make printed copies for the next meeting vote? Piece of cake. The by-laws are followed. The whole club is involved. I do the work. We all sing “Cumbaya”

Team Shad Up & Fish

If you’ve had fun catching fish on the transom bait, you are welcome…

I’ve spent about 85% of my life’s wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted…