I’m sitting here practicing and testing my knots. In the past I’ve always used uni-uni connections for 20lb braid to 12lb. leader connections. I had two break-offs last week right at the knot so I’m back to the drawing board. I’ve learned to tie the modified albright or alberto, but can imagine it will be a pain in the wind. Just not enough hands!
So, I saw all these suggestions for the Triple Surgeon, but with every test, the knot slips loose under pressure.
I think I’m doing it right. Basically doubling the lines and creating an overhand knot and passing it around twice more before cinching tight. I like the simplicity but it slips loose every darned time!
16’ High Tide Flats (Green) w/Yamaha 90,
Wilderness Ride 135
Wilderness Tarpon 120
Are your knots failing or is the leader line breaking at the knot? Have used the uni to uni for years with 20 lb braid to 17 to 20 lb leader with only a few failures. Just make sure you are not using to many wraps. Sometimes less.is more.
A wise man once said “Do as I say not as I do” Good advice when I tell you that.
oops_lost, leader line is breaking at the bottom of the knot on hookset. Reduced drag after the first occurrence and had it happen again. Maybe bad leader material, maybe not enough lubrication when tightening. I’ve used uni/uni for a number of years without too many problems though I still find it a bit cumbersome to tie with rocking boat and wind. Just looking at alternatives. I think that the modified albright is a good but would love it if I could figure out what I was doing wrong with the triple surgeons. They obviously work for some, but I get slippage every single time in these home tests.
16’ High Tide Flats (Green) w/Yamaha 90,
Wilderness Ride 135
Wilderness Tarpon 120
I have been using reverse Albright for a while and I like it…
07 Scout Winyah Bay 221 Yamaha F150
here is a knot i like. Yucatan knot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZ3PUi9ZAM
2003 Sea Fox 195 Bayfisher
JL, i would look at the leader material… I used a trilene line once, don’t remember they type but no matter what knot I tied it would slip. Nothing more frustrating then failing knots. Good luck.
A wise man once said “Do as I say not as I do” Good advice when I tell you that.
I’m OK with tieing other knots. I just don’t understand how the triple surgeon seems to work for others but won’t hold for me. It’s just so dead simple, I was hoping to make it work. But this pulls apart fairly easily.
Maybe it’s the line, my braid is 20lb PP and my test leader material is 12lb Stren Brute Strength mono. Haven’t tested with flouro yet or any other leader material.
16’ High Tide Flats (Green) w/Yamaha 90,
Wilderness Ride 135
Wilderness Tarpon 120
Try pulling both ends of braid tight then do the same with the leader.
2000 SeaPro 180CC w/ Yammy 115 2 stroke
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
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If you are using Power Pro Slick version, that stuff is a lot trickier to tie that standard Power Pro.
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Thanks Optiker, snugging the strands seperately seems to do the trick. It’s not as streamlined as my uni/uni or that albright special, but much quicker and easier to tie. I’ll give it a try next time out.
16’ High Tide Flats (Green) w/Yamaha 90
Wilderness Ride 135
Wilderness Tarpon 120
you could have a bad batch of leader/line. Its happened to me before.
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I used to do the uni/uni but when I would snag something, the line would ALWAYS break at this knot. I think the braid would cut the mono/fluoro. Since switching to the triple surgeon this knot rarely is the weak point. Plus you can tie it in about 15 sec and with a blindfold on (almost). People have said that the uni/uni is much better if you double the braid. I’m not sure how you do that? Anyway it takes too long for my liking. I do agree the uni is a more tidy knot…
2000 SeaPro 180CC w/ Yammy 115 2 stroke
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
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President, Summerville Saltwater Anglers
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Originally posted by Optiker
I used to do the uni/uni but when I would snag something, the line would ALWAYS break at this knot. I think the braid would cut the mono/fluoro. Since switching to the triple surgeon this knot rarely is the weak point. Plus you can tie it in about 15 sec and with a blindfold on (almost). People have said that the uni/uni is much better if you double the braid. I’m not sure how you do that? Anyway it takes too long for my liking. I do agree the uni is a more tidy knot…
2000 SeaPro 180CC w/ Yammy 115 2 stroke
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.ralphphillipsinshore.com | www.summervillesaltwateranglers.com
President, Summerville Saltwater Anglers
I feel kinda odd giving you advice, but I’ve used the uni-to-uni with the doubled braid you mentioned. You just allow yourself more tag, fold it over to double the line (sort of like if you were gonna tie a Palomar) and then wrap the doubled braid around the mono/fluoro leader. Works well, and doesn’t make the connection much bulkier at all. Hope this helps.
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Thanks Bart. That’s what I thought but when you cut the tag end you are cutting the braid in two, no? Maybe it doesn’t matter but that never made sense to me, or maybe I’m misunderstanding. Anyway thanks I’m not a know it all I’m glad to learn new things
2000 SeaPro 180CC w/ Yammy 115 2 stroke
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.ralphphillipsinshore.com | www.summervillesaltwateranglers.com
President, Summerville Saltwater Anglers
quote:
Originally posted by Optiker
Thanks Bart. That’s what I thought but when you cut the tag end you are cutting the braid in two, no? Maybe it doesn’t matter but that never made sense to me, or maybe I’m misunderstanding.
2000 SeaPro 180CC w/ Yammy 115 2 stroke
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.ralphphillipsinshore.com | www.summervillesaltwateranglers.com
President, Summerville Saltwater Anglers
Yes, sir, you would cut the tag end, but the knot itself would contain the doubled braid. So it’s the same as clipping the tag end when you’re tying a normal (single-strand) uni-to-uni.
“Anyway thanks I’m not a know it all I’m glad to learn new things”
I hear ya’, man. You’ve forgotten more about fishing in the last few minutes than I know, and you’ve helped to shorten my learning curve more than you’ll ever realize. I only give advice if I can speak from experience, and it’s nice to finally be able to help you a little bit for once…
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