I got your coolaid, boy. Go vote for him again FLATLANDER. No coolaid here just tired of my country going to hell in a hand basket with this idiot at the wheel
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Amen there Local Boy. I think there is conspiracy on that blast that is now causing the spill. It’s a shame it happened but some folks wanting to stop the new exploration for oil found a way to stop it.
It is ashame that everything that goes wrong has to be a conspiracy, the oil business lost 11 men, and screwed up 100 more that were on that rig. These people work just like everyone else does. Just alot more dangerous work. The first time there is an accident its a conspiracy, or lets shut down all the drilling and get our oil from some raghead that already hates our guts. We can buy oil from them so they can buy guns to fight our troops with. Real smart thinking guys.
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Originally posted by adabeanIt is ashame that everything that goes wrong has to be a conspiracy, the oil business lost 11 men, and screwed up 100 more that were on that rig. These people work just like everyone else does. Just alot more dangerous work. The first time there is an accident its a conspiracy, or lets shut down all the drilling and get our oil from some raghead that already hates our guts. We can buy oil from them so they can buy guns to fight our troops with. Real smart thinking guys.
You’re right I think. I can definately see where some people are coming from when the events of the last few months have occured in the order they have, though.
I feel like no human on this Earth has the power or intelligence to pull off things of certain magnitute, however…
And this is just too much to have gone wrong without anyone noticing for it to be blamed on a conspiracy… at least not an intentional one.
We went to war with Iraq this last time because of info some guy gave as part of a job application that turned out to be totally bogus. We’ve spent how many billion over there? But was it really about that or did we want to be over there fighting them regardless. We wanted to fight someone. People wanted a fight. We got a fight. The thing wasn’t caused directly by those conspiring for that- it was more of an accident.
So I think Halliburton and TransOcean really didn’t mean to have the BOP and batteries at the seafloor not working… it was just sort of an accident. BP and those companies could in no way have been influenced to allow this to happen when they knew full well that it’d result in billions of dollars in economic damages they’d have to pay out plus all the negative publicity. Those companies would have to be stupid. They’ve all identified that it was events and circu
check out the calculations that Purdue University just put out…based on the video released of the leaking pipe they estimate the volume of oil escaping every 24 hours to be +/- 20% 70,000 gallons. BP has stuck to their 5000 gallon number from the very beginning which is BS. They’re still doing damage control and wont let anyone else in to assess and try to help fix the problem because of fear they’ll look even worse… The US should literally send them packing back across the Atlantic, tell them to get the F*%k out and confiscate any and all of their functioning rigs, processing stations, etc. to help pay for this mess
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Originally posted by dontmissFLcheck out the calculations that Purdue University just put out…based on the video released of the leaking pipe they estimate the volume of oil escaping every 24 hours to be +/- 20% 70,000 gallons. BP has stuck to their 5000 gallon number from the very beginning which is BS. They’re still doing damage control and wont let anyone else in to assess and try to help fix the problem because of fear they’ll look even worse… The US should literally send them packing back across the Atlantic, tell them to get the F*%k out and confiscate any and all of their functioning rigs, processing stations, etc. to help pay for this mess
You mean barrels- not gallons. Multiply your numbers by about 40 to get the # of gallons.
This thing is by far the worst spill in history already. They were sandbagging it by only estimating off what’s seen on the surface. Lots of this oil has gone who knows where deep underwater. It’ll eventually turn up. It’ll eventually become apparent just how catastrophic and sad all this is- for more than just folks in the Gulf.
We’ll see oil offshore here. We’ll be hurt too. Pray there is not a bad hurricane anytime soon…
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The longer the crude oil keeps leaking and lingering, the more damage it’ll do to things off our coast. Remember our gulf stream isn’t called that for no reason.
This is a link to donate to the Ocean Conservancy’s cleanup efforts in the gulf.
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Here is the latest ROFFS tracking of the oil that can be seen on the surface. The temp of the oil is adjusting more and more to the ambient surface water temps, so it is becoming less and less visible to satellite tracking.
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Phin I would love to say there are no bad people in the world but that is just not true. They are every where, hell we still have people eating people while we and the rest of the world just trun our heads away from that. But to say no one would do this for any reason is sticking your head in the sand and to say our goverment could not have had something to do with it, well ya need to get your head out of the sand so you can hear me. I live in the real world where people do really bad things to one another and to the earth and anything else they want to. Our goverment should have taken over here and ask for help from the rest of the world, the consquences here are off the acale. It wil change our world as we know it.
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Originally posted by Local BoyPhin I would love to say there are no bad people in the world but that is just not true. They are every where, hell we still have people eating people while we and the rest of the world just trun our heads away from that. But to say no one would do this for any reason is sticking your head in the sand and to say our goverment could not have had something to do with it, well ya need to get your head out of the sand so you can hear me. I live in the real world where people do really bad things to one another and to the earth and anything else they want to. Our goverment should have taken over here and ask for help from the rest of the world, the consquences here are off the acale. It wil change our world as we know it.
Local Boy, Just having fun.
I understand. I work in a place where most don’t know how I deal with the duplicity and undercutting every minute of the day. Few will do what they promise they’ll do, and few will allow you to know where they stand on anything. I know people are people, but I also know there are smart and honest people mixed around among these other folks…
I was trying to say that it’s hard for me to believe that someone could be smart enough to trick enough people into letting this happen to their own detriment without it being known about by anyone at all. I think it’s rather a series of things that came together without so much coordination, and we’ve now been taught some lessons. The most important lessons are ones just like what you’re talking about as far as who benefits from this while society rallies around whatever cause that’s actually going to directly harm them in another way that they forget about.
I am a really questioning person. Not so much cynical but questioning. I want to know why stuff happens, and from what I ha
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Marine Anglers,
Saltwater anglers all over the world are watching the expanding disaster developing in the Gulf of Mexico. While fishermen in the Gulf will bear the largest burden from this disaster, anglers from Key West, Florida to Montauk, New York and even points unknown throughout the North Atlantic will also suffer from its effects. The crude oil and the chemical dispersant being used will kill the plankton and larval fish present in the affected waters and prevent fish from spawning in that water mass. This will leave a large gap in the production of juvenile oceanic pelagic game fish that serve to replace those fish removed by human harvest and natural predation. Recognize that the large schools of peanut dolphin that you fish today had their beginning 3 to 6 months prior in some distant part of the North Atlantic. We do not know what role the dolphin spawn in the Gulf plays in the U.S. Atlantic Coast fisheries. This massive reproduction failure will have its impact on the fisheries from the bottom reefs that could be covered by the settling tar balls to the marshlands that will be turned into an oily mess, sterile of life.
It would have been very beneficial in identifying the potential impact of this disaster, if we had information on dolphinfish movements and behavior in the Gulf of Mexico. But, again, we are too late in acquiring that information. This is why we tag dolphin today when there is no immediate threat known.
Good fishing,
Donald L. Hammond
Thanks for that message, Scott. There are clearly some serious impacts to us coming, and they’re literally beneath what we are realizing with all this.
(beneath what’s being seen on the surface for sure)
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Latest from NOAA-
NOAA Fisheries Constituent and Stakeholders - We have posted a
modification to the closure area on our Southeast Regional office
website at. http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/ Attached is a map of the new closure area.
Briefly, NOAA Fisheries is expanding the western, southwestern and
southeastern boundaries of the closure to encompass most of the reported actual location and projected path of the oil based on initialization data and the 48-hour trajectory. Specifically:
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NOAA Fisheries is extending the western and southwestern boundaries slightly to the south to capture oil reported outside the current boundary.
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We are extending the southeastern boundary by about 60 miles to encompass the full extent of the main slick. We are not attempting to capture a smaller, isolated mass located farther to the southeast.</font id=“red”> We determined it is not practical to incorporate such masses into the closure because we expect them to move quickly and erratically and to frequently change in size and dimension.
The closure measures 24,241 sq mi (62,784 sq km), which is about 10% of the GOM EEZ as compared to the May 14th closure comprising 19,377 sq. mil (8% of the GOM Federal waters).
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Below is Dr. Botone’s (Director Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council) Congressional testimony on the Gulf disaster.
This was forwarded to us by the National Association of Charterboat Operators, and it is almost alarmingly subdued in nature as it touches only gently on just how bad this disaster is.
Introduction
The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council is one of eight regional Fishery Management Councils established by the Fishery Conservation and Management Act in 1976. It is the Gulf Council’s responsibility to submit fishery management plans designed to manage fishery resources from where state waters end (3-9 nautical miles from shore), out to the 200-mile limit of the Gulf of Mexico (i.e., the Exclusive Economic Zone or EEZ).
The Gulf Council has 17 voting members from each state bordering the Gulf of Mexico and includes state fishery agency representatives and individuals, nearly equally distributed, from the commercial, recreational, and scientific sectors of the region. Since the reauthorization of the Act in 1996, the Gulf Council has successfully removed fish species from being categorized as “overfished” and has improved stock status on other important species such as red snapper.
Current fishery management plans are in place to rebuild several fish stocks so that they are no longer overfished. We are well on our way to achieving this goal.
Fisheries impacts
The recent, and continuing, uncontrolled release of unrefined oil into the northern Gulf of Mexico off Louisiana causes the Gulf Council members and me great concern. There are a number of short-term (i.e., days, weeks, and months) effects that are likely to cause harm to several fisheries and the ecosystem in which they occur. During the spring and early summer months, many commercially and recreationally important reef-associated fish species, such as
the groupers and red snapper, spawn in the area currently subjected to the oil release. Depending upon the species, eggs are released i
From Florida US Senator Bill Nelson’s office-
New computer tracking forecast shows oil reaching Florida Keys in five days, Miami in 10
WASHINGTON, D.C. - A new oil-spill tracking forecast, prepared by four experts relying on five computer models, says part of the slick from the Deepwater Horizon may reach the Florida Keys in five-to- six days and Miami just five days after that.
Those grim prospects are contained in preliminary results of new spill-tracking research [ slides 11-13, attached pdf ] e-mailed late last night to various officials including U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson. It was prepared on the Gulf of Mexico’s loop current by experts at the University of South Florida College of Marine Science who sent their research out via e-mail.
Their forecast comes as a new round of congressional hearings are underway here into the cause of and response to the oil spill. One of those hearings will be at 2:30 p.m. today ( in SR 253 ) at the Senate Commerce Committee on which Nelson serves. The head of BP America will testify along with the commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard.
“While I always hope for the best, this is looking like really out-of-control bad," Nelson said today, referring to the widening spill and the research by USF oceanography Professor Robert H. Weisberg, with Drs. Yonggang Liu and Lianyuan Zheng, and Professor Cuanmin Hu.
Weisberg’s preliminary forecast says oil from the spill in the Gulf may reach Key West by Sunday or Monday; the middle Keys by Wednesday of next week; and, Miami a week from Friday. “The southern arm of the oil slick has already been entrained [in], or at least on the edge of, the Loop Current,” a summary in the forecast states.
BP and the government previously estimated 5,000 gallons of oil were leaking from the wellhead and a broken pipe at the site of the sunken rig. But a short video clip BP released last week in response to public pressure quickly led some scientists to estimate the spill is much worse than thought.
As a result, Nel
Two SC General Assembly bills have been introduced recognizing this as a major issue for South Carolina that needs to be addressed. The bills say the same thing. They request SCDNR, DHEC and the Governor to develop a contingency plan for the effects of the Gulf disaster.
RFA-SC contacted legislators yesterday and today expressing support of the bills, and all parties seem to agree on the importance of this legislation and the issue at hand.
SC Senate Bill # 1478
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009-2010/bills/1478.htm
was introduced and immediately passed by the Senate and sent to the House yesterday.
The House introduced its own version today. H. 5043.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009-2010/bills/5043.htm
This House version of the bill got LOADED with co-sponsors this morning, and it was immediately adopted by the House and sent to the Senate.
RFA-SC was first on the scene with this posting the ROFFS analysis here, and we must continue expressing thanks to our legislators for looking out for our sport, businesses and resources! Take a look at the links above to the bills to see who the co-sponsors were. Please thank them in particular for their help.
RFA-SC will continue being first responders to issues effecting saltwater recreational fishing, related industry and long-term sustainability of resources.
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