Wildlifesc is on our side guy’s…beleive it or not. Just sayin!
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If the DNR kept their azzes within 3 miles then how much federal money would be needed. All of the states need to ban together and refuse to enforce this horseschit. What would the feds do then…?? Give th Coasties more…? Hell the libs in NJ and Mass have been hurt as bas as we have. Maybe for once there is a states rights issue we can all agree on.
Another thing…I bet SC sportsman would support a double in liscensing fees if it meant standing up to the feds. The amazing thing is that everyone dem or repub knows how screwed ip this law is and they can’t get it fixed. How broken is our government. …??..dayum…
For the “they are just doing their job” crowd…I know this is a harsh and somewhat injust comparison but throughout time there have been plenty of people enforcing unjust laws…did that make it right…? I’m not going to go the route saying the guards at Auschwitz were just doing their job…That’s over the top. But I am sure there are better examples. I know years ago there were mentally challenged people in many states that were forcibly sterilized. What about the inturnment camps in Ww2…?? I think its our job as citizens to keep the government from running us over. If that includes breaking these laws I’m fine with that. We all know these fish are damaging some areas by overpopulating. How about releasing them where they can’t reproduce. …?..I dunno. I just can’t stand being walked all over. It kills me to my core.
Look, I have said this again, and I will say this before… In EVERY organization, be it private industry or government, there are usually a few key INFLUENCERS who drive things. They have a vision and they are able to present things to people in a way that helps them to drive the agenda. They control the discussion. They control the “options” (even in the form of a false dilemma). They control the hiring, the accolades awarded, the promotions, the paycheck, and they control a lot more… They are the ones who have built up a network of friends and contacts over decades who they can count on to support them. They are the “CEO’s” if you will of the government “corporation”… They hold the compass and direct which way the ship is pointed… When the ship get’s off course, they are the ones who steer it back on the course that they see fit…
Now, I don’t know how many times I have to scream this from the rooftops before somebody get’s it… The answer is there. It’s always been there.
This isn’t a document from fantasy land. It’s STRAIGHT from the horse’s mouth…
Check out the date on this document… It is from MAY of 1999… Do the math… That’s 14 years ago… And think that the ideas in this document were BEFORE that, lot’s of mention of the “early 1990’s”… So, you are really talking about an agenda that has been around for 20+ years (maybe longer)… I also want you to realize that some of the names on this document are STILL on the council and STILL HEAVILY INFLUENCE the council…
It’s pretty clear from this document a few things:
- Some people are strongly in FAVOR of MPA’s even though they haven’t reviewed any science yet
- Some people are against MPA’s even though they haven’t reviewed the science yet
- Discussions about MPA’s were “heated” in the past and impossible to pull off in the 1990’s because of certain council members who w
quote:This would not help... License revenues alone don't cover the entire budget for SCDNR... SCDNR get's a lot of money from the state outside of license fees... It's a sick game that is played at that point... If we get more money from license revenue, then the state cuts their non-license contributions to the budget so an increase in licensing has a NET ZERO effect... What needs to happen is that they need to set a FIXED budget (some sort of legislation passed) so that licensing revenue go above and beyond that mark and do not toy with the other numbers...
Originally posted by RedstripeAnother thing…I bet SC sportsman would support a double in liscensing fees if it meant standing up to the feds. The amazing thing is that everyone dem or repub knows how screwed ip this law is and they can’t get it fixed. How broken is our government. …??..dayum…
SJ…that would work. As I have said…the state powers that be know how to get around this. It should be at the top of their list on how to get it done. If no states are cooperating, you would think it would force the fed to enact sensible laws.
Sj,
We share the same beliefs it seems that career beuracrats are forming these flawed policies. How do we fix this…?
quote:That is hard to predict. Given the nature of the federal government nowadays though, they don't think twice about ripping power away from the states. My fear is that they would pull rank on the states as they are essentially empowered (by law) to take over control of our resources if they feel that it's needed. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applies for STATE waters as well, not just FEDERAL waters...
Originally posted by RedstripeSJ…that would work. As I have said…the state powers that be know how to get around this. It should be at the top of their list on how to get it done. If no states are cooperating, you would think it would force the fed to enact sensible laws.
quote:I know what corporations do when the CEO is not producing the desired results...
Originally posted by RedstripeSj,
We share the same beliefs it seems that career beuracrats are forming these flawed policies. How do we fix this…?
Thank Nikki Haley for putting that nut job back on the council for three mre years! She stabbed us all in the back. I can’t wait to see her get defeated!
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Lots of good comments and suggestions from this discussion. Results (very informally and in no particular order):There are a lot of very angry and puzzled people out there- probably thousands.The closure makes no sense to them. There are nearly as many theories as to why this closure has taken place. There are lots of people who will not fish simply because the “law prohibits it”. There are people who will not fish for fear of getting caught and fined severely. There are many people who believe the closure is allowing Black Sea Bass to overrun the habitat, eating the young of more desirable fish.
There are very powerful people who believe fishing shoud be severely restricted, or that there should be no fishing at all.
There is a great deal of, if not complete distrust among biologists, fishery managers, and fishermen. Comunication does not exist among the groups.The players are largely not known to each other, and are so far flung, both geographically, politically, and philosophycally, that it is highly unlikely that they
will ever communicate, let alone come to an equitable agreement on the management of our fisheries.
Meanwhile, The people in power who could force an agreement do not consider the problem to be important enough to be worth their while.
My humble and worthless opinion is until the make-up of the SAMFC board is changed, the dissention will grow and the fishery will suffer.
Thank You, Gentlemen, for participating .
limits + price of fuel = Mt.Pleasant Seafood!
far more cost effective to purchase a grouper fillet every tuesday from Rial.
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Originally posted by Bolbielimits + price of fuel = Mt.Pleasant Seafood!
far more cost effective to purchase a grouper fillet every tuesday from Rial.
You hit a major point…The price of fuel has really hurt the weekend fisherman. A $400-$800 fill up will keep most on the hill.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Sells, the cost of gas and fuel is all the more reason we need to be able to fish for bottom fish in 90 ft. A lot of us can’t afford to troll the ledge for tuna, dolphin, wahoo, etc.
quote:$4.12/gal @ Georgetown Ld.,$4.38/gal @ Tolers . $1300 to untie from the fuel dock,that's not having fun.
Originally posted by sellsfishquote:
Originally posted by Bolbielimits + price of fuel = Mt.Pleasant Seafood!
far more cost effective to purchase a grouper fillet every tuesday from Rial.
You hit a major point…The price of fuel has really hurt the weekend fisherman. A $400-$800 fill up will keep most on the hill.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by yellabirdquote:
Originally posted by wildlifescYellabird…the biologists I know, which happens to be most at the state level, are very dedicated and all about the resource…our</font id=“maroon”> resource. There is not one biologist working for DNR in marine or freshwater fisheries suspicious of your “support of fishing.”</font id=“maroon”>. You are either paranoid or suspicious yourself, but you are dead wrong and if you wish to attack them it merely proves that it’s ludicrous to try and have a civilized discussion on a public forum. I won’t honor another of your posts with a reply…so call me crazy all you like.
Ok, just trying to tell you the truth.
Back to substantive issues:
This was also posted on the Florida rebellion thread."This is precisely the problem with taking such measures. Personally, I believe we must start pushing back, and the resulting reductions in federal seasons are worth the sustainability of state’s rights. I am now in negotiations with DNR to accomplish this goal. I cannot give you the details yet, but I am working on doing something. The question I have is: will the fishermen support me and the bill, even if it results in a reduction in the federal season or bag limits? "
Your thoughts?
Stephen Goldfinch
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I will support you in preservation of our right to manage our own resources responsibly, free from special interests or corrupt influence from those motivated by financial or political gain. Nothing is free or easy. Stand up to the
We got any friends among those running for Tim Scott’s seat?
Limehouse and Grooms are for sure with us. Unsure about the others.
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