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Originally posted by toppyblue
Now I get it 100% ratdaddy,You are a guide protecting your turf! simple as that.You are the one who bragged about seeing hundreds of schools of reds and readily admitted that you fish lures.And already said that is your way and the best way, But did you answer the question here where it was politely asked?? no,just another insult…
I must be a pain in the a-- for you, judging by your responses…
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Originally posted by RADDADDY
Good God. You are the gift that keeps on giving. What do you think is an inshore redfish’s natural habitat?
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Originally posted by toppyblue
Yes hoofarded you are correct…My bad I should have been more specific so as to not step on toes…I was not referring to the reds lieing in shallow water…I was asking about the surface feeding schools .You know the frenzy feeders that gulls like to clean up after.
.[quote]Originally posted by HoofArded
Have you ever stalked a school on a shallow flat, toppyblue?
I can tell you that they every bit as spooky as a deer in the woods. It isn’t easy.
Once spooked, they aren’t going to bite until they calm down…which (for me) usually ends up being pretty far away.
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The only thing raddaddy has done on any of these threads is to try and explain to you how idiotic you sound when makin
They spook a lot when not feeding.I have caught many in the exact same spot in like a 15 minute span.cant get the bait back to the spot fast enough.And I have thrown bait at resting schools(maybe the fish are 10 feet apart) and see 20 or so just scatter and never bite. I have seen them pass close to the boat and race off and I have caught them 10 feet from the boat.It is almost like they have a spook switch and a feed switch.
Reds have predators like dolfins and man...Releasing and small limits definitely help restore the population...Most reds hang around about 3 years then move to deeper water offshore. President Bush stopping the offshore harvesting in 2007 is the single most contributing factor to their return...If a guide sees you catching reds and releasing them he will surely return to your spot with his patrons...Of course if you book a trip with a guide you can also return to his spots...But what they are not gonna tell you is they only feed in that spot at certain tide periods..Any other time all you will get are crabs,small junk fish and little sharks. BLA BLA BLA but oh so true!
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Originally posted by paintblend
here is a quote from raddaddy in other thread " Like I have stated, the schools in most places are not as large as they were several years back and some are gone completely. Like the published article says, redfish populations are cyclical, and this year is the first year in 5 where we have had a strong crop of 1 year old fish, so flats stocks should rebound some in the next few years. Angler education increases every year, therefor, angling pressure increases every year."
to me he is saying that yes the redfish is not as good as it used to be but this year reports show the’re on the come back,and in the next few years , if it holds true will be better (correct me if i am wrong on that) and i am no expert on red fish but i do know it is not ea
Yet another response from a commercial guy???My observations are emperical(hard facts personally experienced). Life cycle information that I posted came from researching fishery data including DNR.You too can easily find the data ( just google red drum life cycle)
When the limits did not apply,people raped them inshore and offshore.If you have been buying and selling fish long enough, you should remember this.If I am wrong about anything i will correct it…But you who make general remarks about the ignorant things I post just dont like what i say soooooooooooooo lets go point by point instead of general namecalling… I challenge you.
First point: In this thread you claim that I said release does not contribute to conservation!!! That is a lie as I have said over and over it does…the problem you guys seem to have is that I also state that stopping commercial harvesting far outweighs catch/release conservation…You go ask the biologist and see what he says …But be sure to ask the correct question…I will quote it for you “Mr biologist,What has had a more significant impact on the redfish population,catch release or prohibiting commercial harvesting of inshore smaller reds and offshore breeders?/”
Please mr sailfish,make another point about how much misinformation I put out and be specific just not general slander.
I am man enough to admit when i am wrong! Are you sir??
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
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Originally posted by toppyblue
Now I get it 100% ratdaddy,You are a guide protecting your turf! simple as that.You are the one who bragged about seeing hundreds of schools of reds and readily admitted that you fish lures.And already said that is your way and the best way, But did you answer the question here w
Are those the very same biologists that brought the wolves and coyotes here??/What a failure! Are they also the same ones that stocked those little varmints that ate all the bird eggs?
FYI:All that stuff they (Marine biologists)learned in college books is readily available to all on the internet, if you can log on and search for it.
Let,s talk point by point not general slander…I am definitely up for it.Dont back down BE SPECIFIC! If you are just trying to pull my chain and get attention,then please stop the childish behavior…
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
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Originally posted by toppyblue
Now I get it 100% ratdaddy,You are a guide protecting your turf! simple as that.You are the one who bragged about seeing hundreds of schools of reds and readily admitted that you fish lures.And already said that is your way and the best way, But did you answer the question here where it was politely asked?? no,just another insult…
I must be a pain in the a-- for you, judging by your responses…
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Originally posted by RADDADDY
Good God. You are the gift that keeps on giving. What do you think is an inshore redfish’s natural habitat?
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Originally posted by toppyblue
Yes hoofarded you are correct…My bad I should have been more specific so as to not step on toes…I was not referring to the reds lieing in shallow water…I was asking about the surface feeding schools .You know the frenzy feeders that gulls like to clean up after.
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toppyblue, this forum is for folks like me. I was enjoying reading your posts which seem to turn to rants. I mean really…emperical? I am glad you provided the definition for those of us with maybe only degrees in nuclear science and mechanical engineering. Thank you again 
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LOL, yeah you got me…
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Originally posted by Apickett
Your question makes the presumption that people that throw artificials only chase schooling fish… You can throw artificials to non-schooling fish as I regularly do. I would say that artificial lures are more challenging on fish in their “natural habitat” and on schooling fish in my opinion. I would challenge you to take some artificial lures to your honey holes and test it out for yourself against live bait.
X2 - love throwing artificials for this very reason.
personally I enjoy the posts as I am just sitting here laughing hysterically, BUT honestly I try to use these forums as a way to learn tips, ideas, patterns from folks that know more than me and if I can contribute something from time to time I try to.
I’ve made some really good friends on this site who I have learned a TON from… not sure your approach is the best in this regard toppy. if your goal is to draw attention to yourself, you got it. your goal should be to draw respect…
good luck dude
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This has gone from entertaining to absurd.
“Apathy is the Glove in Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
Ok,I went back and read the thread again and I cannot find where anyone said that stopping commercial harvesting of reds was bad or that it did not help with the conservation of the fish? Why are you saying that they did,and I am starting to get a creepy feeling about all this talk about raping a fish, most victims of the violent crime of rape do not die but are scarred for life,most victims of commercial harvesting die, so again and with respect,What point are you trying to make.?
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Well, here we go. I will keep this going for yal’s amusement, and to keep your minds off the potential inshore fish kill happening in the next 2 days.
Top 10 most priceless statements by toppyblue (it was tough to narrow it down to just 10)
1.Redfish come inshore to spawn.
2.Redfish are sold in restaurants in SC.
3.All artificial lures have treble hooks.
4.Gamakatsu model 02012 is stainless steel.
5.Baitfishing in a redfish’s “natural habitat” (priceless) is tougher than fishing artificials.
6.Limit on reds should be 6 per person. Doubt that would impact the population, might even help.
7.Optiker and Sailfish23 are commercial guys
8.We have to pay for commercial harvestors overharvesting and the unlicensed thieves that illegally harvest to sell.
9.Catching and releasing reds helps, but only naive, uneducated, self-righteous egotists believe releasing reds has any impact…Then later-Releasing reds and the small limits definitely help restore the population. (contradiction?)
10.Us recreational guys that live inland pay higher insurance rates for your “right” to live in a hurricane zone.
Again, thanks for the laughter, toppy. It would have been a boring few days without it.
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Originally posted by toppyblue
Are those the very same biologists that brought the wolves and coyotes here??/What a failure! Are they also the same ones that stocked those little varmints that ate all the bird eggs?
FYI:All that stuff they (Marine biologists)learned in college books is readily available to all on the internet, if you can log on and search for it.
Let,s talk point by point not general slander…I am definitely up for it.Dont back down BE SPECIFIC! If you are just trying to pull my chain and get attention,then please stop the childish behavior…
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
LOL, yeah you got me…
I’m a commercial fisherman just trying to get attention.
I KNEW IT!!! been holding out on me?</font id=“red”></font id=“size5”>
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Originally posted by jimmyaadams
I would say that throwing lures at schooling visible feeding reds is more challenging than throwing bait at a feeding location. Only because if you are throwing bait at a spot, you are really just waiting on a fish to eat it. You may have to drift a corked bait properly but that is about it. With arties, even if the fish are feeding, you must present the bait in a somewhat decent manner.
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If ya’ll really want to frustrate yourself, try throwing a fly at a 10 lb red tailing in 12 inches of water on a flooded grass flat. The strike to refusal/spook ratio will have you pulling your hair out.
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Originally posted by bonecrusher
If ya’ll really want to frustrate yourself, try throwing a fly at a 10 lb red tailing in 12 inches of water on a flooded grass flat. The strike to refusal/spook ratio will have you pulling your hair out.
Good point! As a commercial fisherman, I’m lucky enough to take my cell phone camera with me and occasionally get shots like these.
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
[quote]Originally posted by bonecrusher
If ya’ll really want to frustrate yourself, try throwing a fly at a 10 lb red tailing in 12 inches of water on a flooded grass flat. The strike to refusal/spook ratio will have you pulling your hair out.
Good point! As a commercial fisherman, I’m lucky enough to take my cell phone camera with me and occasionally get shots like these.
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Scenes like that are what dreams are made of…
How much per pound did you get for that one once you threw the net on him? Great shot by the way.
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Originally posted by 23Sailfish
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Originally posted by bonecrusher
If ya’ll really want to frustrate yourself, try throwing a fly at a 10 lb red tailing in 12 inches of water on a flooded grass flat. The strike to refusal/spook ratio will have you pulling your hair out.
Good point! As a commercial fisherman, I’m lucky enough to take my cell phone camera with me and occasionally get shots like these.
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Mis quotes and ignotant misleading interpretations really make you look good! 1. inshore is considered within 3 miles…and that is infact where they spawn…I believe the correct terminally would be nearshore.then the larvae/eggs are carried in(probably mostly by your hot air) to grow until they move off shore.
2.I have not checked a recent menu but sailfish said he buys them from N.C and some kind of pond raised also.
3.Most lures do.The jigs dont…However Even i was not dumb enough to make such a statement.so you are either a liar or just trying to pull chains.
4.There is no such thing as stainless steel.It is merely a term used for metal that doesn,t easily rust.Steel also does not exist and is a common term for combination of metals and other elements commonly refwrred to as steel.But I guess you have never seen or heard of the periodotic table of elements.idiotic is definitely in your vocabulary.
5.I stated no such thing.Fishing with live bait from the area you are fishing(from their natural habitat) is my preference and works very well…In fact catching your own bait is part of what I enjoy. Throwing lures is a much more difficult way to fish(for me)
6.Absolutely true I said it and I believe it!But it is only true because I have to catch many to keep 3 within the size limit.And some of those out of slot fish I catch die from either the hook or reduced ability to avoid predators as they swim off.
7.I do not know that for a fact.. If you are financially connected(guides,seafood dealers.or those who sell seafood for money)Then i call that commercial...
8. EXACTLY!Finally got one 100% correct..Thank you sir! That is exactly the factor that caused the decline of reds.
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Originally posted by RADDADDY
Well, here we go. I will keep this