no offense to any pioneer boat owners but if your looking for a good offshore boat for a good price i would skip over a pioneer and go look at a sea hunt. best bang for your buck right there. again no offense to any pioneer owners i am just not a big fan.
From reds to marlin you got it.
2001 210 Sea Fox
2009 Yamaha F150
no offense to any pioneer boat owners but if your looking for a good offshore boat for a good price i would skip over a pioneer and go look at a sea hunt. best bang for your buck right there. again no offense to any pioneer owners i am just not a big fan.
From reds to marlin you got it.
2001 210 Sea Fox
2009 Yamaha F150
I’m not affiliated with pioneer, so my opinion here should count for at least as much as a bass boat salesman from tx right?
I have been on 4 separate pioneer 197’s and run them through as much as a person can physically stand offshore. Absolutely zero issues or problems whatsoever. Not even deck hardware coming loose. This is not from running on slick days. This includes nasty stuff at least half the time. This is running them with tabs down at 3500 rpms making 18kts when everyone else turned around and went in beat up and soaked just from peeping past the rocks. This is going on days when crew backs out because of what the buoy shows when they get up that morning. This is wanting to fish badly and having very high confidence in the manner in which these boats are built and the time and thought put into their design.
Fwiw: I have been on 18, 20 and 22’ seahunts. There were no issues that came up because seahunts are good boats also.
But to say that a 20’ seahunt is a better boat than a 20’ pioneer indicates one thing and one thing only- that the person making that statement has never run and handled both boats in the ocean. Not the usually slick or 1’ chop at worst gulf… But the atlantic ocean. In 20-21 footers, Pioneer has better performance, space, efficiency, handling, looks, strength, durability, and layout. Does seahunt even know what merthaculate (sp?) bonding is? Ask pioneer and worldcat. Ask me… It means you can run the absolute hang out of the boat and not worry about it coming apart at the rubrail like a seahunt eventually will. And it means the stringers won’t come loose … or the console, gunnel bolster cap or leaning post. That chemical bonding stuff’s expensive compared to some lag screws and caulk though. Probably not money well spent in the gulf or the lake…
Out where we fish, you’ll wait months to get out there on that kind of water though. Who wants to spend 30 grand on something you can’t use!?!??
I see a 21 seafox listed in someone’s signiture here.
Let’s get it out there with a pioneer. PLEASE, the next time I fish in a 197, you’re welcomed to buddy boat with me. Not a fan of pioneer but clearly a fan of seafox since you just repowered an 01 with a new F150.
No offense, but I’m not a fan of seafox. But I’ve never been offshore in a 21. I’ve just heard some pretty… scary… stories.
Have you heard bad stories about pioneer I wonder? I’ve heard nothing but very pleased owners.
Please note that I did not dis’ sea hunt. I said they were good boats. A 20 foot is not so much better than a pioneer that one should just skip a pioneer as whidix said though. I would argue that the pioneer is the better boat in many respects. My take on the pioneer is that it’s the best 20 footer on the market, period. That’s my opinion, and I’ve been on lots and lots of boats in this size range.
And yes, your hull to deck joint will eventually come apart. It may take two decades or it may take one trip with some fool driving it wide open through 3ft X waves pounding the sides of the hull until the t top breaks and smacks him in the head as it flies out the boat. The joint is not chemically bonded but mechanically bonded. This joint ultimately fails on every hot molded fiberglass boat out there if pushed hard enough because of the design- not the quality or materials.
This issue has caused late model boats to sink, and this issue is almost every rebuild of all the fantastic old mako and other “overbuilt” boats from the 70’s and 80’s. If these boats are run much in the ocean, there is going to be separation at this joint, specifically aft. Or… If a boat never runs in rough water where there is much lateral stress on the above-waterline sides of the hull, there may be no issue.
Chemical bonding prevents the issue there, with the stringers, and everywhere else.
That is something that costs more but pioneer does it. I have seen a 26 mako break apart all over above deck. It went back to the factory and all the screws and adhesive were replaced with merthaculate, which is a permanent chemical bond. It must be sawed to be separated. Mako’s knowledge of it was obvious. It is well known within the industry, but I’m told it is not used widely because of the great expense.
It is superior in every way to any form of adhesive, bolt, screw or any other mechanical type of bonding.
No need to take this the wrong way. This does not mean sea hunts are bad. Sea hunt may start using the stuff themselves if it makes t
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Yes sir.
Most certainly.
When pioneer sells a 22sportfish, i think it’d be silly to “skip” over it and go straight to your boat is all. That’s where I should have left it. I apologize for getting into my pioneer kool-aid sharing. The boats speak for themselves just like your boat.
I apologize for getting into my pioneer kool-aid sharing.
Luke 8:22-25
Well said!!
A company with the above stated engineering superiority will not be at the bottom long. Contender, Regulator, and Yellowfin be afraid, be very afraid. Phin is coming in his 22 foot pioneer!!
I apologize for getting into my pioneer kool-aid sharing.
Luke 8:22-25
Well said!!
A company with the above stated engineering superiority will not be at the bottom long. Contender, Regulator, and Yellowfin be afraid, be very afraid. Phin is coming in his 22 foot pioneer!!
quote:Does seahunt even know what merthaculate (sp?) bonding is?
I think you mean methacrylate, better known as “Plexus”. Yes, Sea Hunt probably knows what it is. It has been around for some time and most manufacturers use it to bond the stringer tops to the liner.
