Poly ball, I don’t think Fred lied. Seems you just mistook him. I think the rut is on a down swing but I did see a fresh scrap this morning with the ground freshly scratched up, so it is not over.
Since you have been doing your fetal studies for the last 20 years how much is the rut varying from year to year and how long is it in the lowcountry? Up North very seldom over 2 weeks.
“live and let live” … “those that deserve it.”
I don't think Fred lied, I know for a fact he lied. To be honest, you sound like Fred too.
I’ve given my opinion based on real facts, if you want questions answered, buy a $5 fetal fawn scale and compile your own information .
You know I didn’t lie about anything. I gave my opinion and fact based observations.
So tell us all when has our rut been over the last 20 years of doing your fetal studies? I’d say you probably lied about that. If not I’d like to hear when last years full rut was. I’d also be interested after deer season is over this year since you will know it to a 100% fact when our full rut actually was. I’m guessing somewhere between Sept 10 to November 26.
Sorry to interrupt but what exactly is the “full rut?” I’m not trying to sound like a smart@ss either. I know there are different phases of the rut but I’m not familiar with the “full rut.”
One of the ten commandments posted by a self admitted atheist! A bit hypocritical, don’t you think?
You can’t say I made an inaccurate statement until the end of the season when you have completed all your baby deer fetus studies little man. You are just mad because you know that your fetal studies are worthless to a hunter trying to figure out the rut. Oh it will tell you what the past rut was, but it sure can’t tell you when the next season rut will be, that takes a hunter with good observation and dedication to hunting. Even you have admitted that the rut changes from year to year.
So I guess we could call you the one that lied until you can prove when our full rut was. And thinking more on it, were not you the one a few years ago that said S.C. rut varies from area to area?
And this is the final post for me in this thread. I didn’t invent fetal aging, Joe Hamilton did,it’s part of my long term management plan, and is simple yet effective. The observation will not tell me when the rut began that season , but 3 or more samples will give me a very good idea when the rut will begin the seasons to come. I clearly said I wasn’t targeting bucks now, but have seen some that will be monsters in a year or two .
Trophy bucks are most often taken during the rut , wouldn’t it be nice to know what week to plan on when targeting said trophy? I’m managing for this season, and many, many seasons down the road.
c/p from QDMA
Joe Hamilton, QDMA’s founder, led a research project from 1979 to 1983 that ultimately developed the fetal-aging criteria and scale that deer managers throughout North America still use today. The technique was developed using “crown-to-rump” measurements of known-aged fetuses. Therefore, by measuring the length from the forehead (crown) to the junction of the tail and back (rump) of a fetus on the fetal scale, you can determine the fetus’s age. Then, you can use the scale to backdate and determine the date the fetus was conceived, and foredate to estimate the date it would have been born. This analysis is the preferred method for determining the length of and especially the peak of the rut across the whitetail’s range, and it allows managers to detect changes in breeding dates with respect to herd management programs.
In general, as a deer population goes from unmanaged and unbalanced toward a balanced sex ratio, improved adult age structure and increased health, the span of time from first to last conception date will be shorter, and the rut peak will be stronger.
What is the earliest conception date that you have seen in your study? Are the deer on your propert fenced in?
I’d like to hear polly’s answer on this one. Factual data would be neat. I’ve seen spots at the end of January which would put conception in July. Seems lately I’ve seen the majority of spots from March to June.
I had one fawn with umbilical cord still attached (had be less than a week) hung up in a fence the End of August which would have put conception in February. Our deer breed pretty much year around with the strongest breeding occurring Sept-Nov. That’s not scientifically gathered information from baby fetuses, just personal observation.
Sorry to interrupt but what exactly is the “full rut?” I’m not trying to sound like a smart@ss either. I know there are different phases of the rut but I’m not familiar with the “full rut.”
God bless the “ignore” function.
Bang at the request of Bolly, here is my answer. We have a really crazy deer season the S.C. lowcountry. I’ve seen a few buck starting scrapes and full on wet stinky tarsel glands the first of the season to the end of the November. What I consider full on rut is when I finally start seeing bucks moving in the day and leaving the feeders alone, It seems that we have a rough three to four weeks of what I consider “full” rut, You also notice the massive weight lose if you follow your area on camera. For day movement we usually need a good cold snap. Feel free to bash me and call me a liar.
I think even Polly would agree that all of the lowcountry, with the exception of pen controlled deer, we have a “trickle” rut from lack of buck to doe ratio and very few hunters and landowners practicing QDMA.
Here is a good picture of extemated area in S.C. from DNR.
I received a response to my question. His date fell in line with the what I have seen with my eyes or the air of a trail camera over the years. Think he said he was not responding to this one any more.
Sorry to interrupt but what exactly is the “full rut?” I’m not trying to sound like a smart@ss either. I know there are different phases of the rut but I’m not familiar with the “full rut.”
God bless the “ignore” function.
Bang at the request of Bolly, here is my answer. We have a really crazy deer season the S.C. lowcountry. I’ve seen a few buck starting scrapes and full on wet stinky tarsel glands the first of the season to the end of the November. What I consider full on rut is when I finally start seeing bucks moving in the day and leaving the feeders alone, It seems that we have a rough three to four weeks of what I consider “full” rut, You also notice the massive weight lose if you follow your area on camera. For day movement we usually need a good cold snap. Feel free to bash me and call me a liar.
I think even Polly would agree that all of the lowcountry, with the exception of pen controlled deer, we have a “trickle” rut from lack of buck to doe ratio and very few hunters and landowners practicing QDMA.
Here is a good picture of extemated area in S.C. from DNR.
Have you been talking to anyone outside “you’re” circle? A lot of bucks have been killed over the last couple of days out in full sun chasing tail. The processor I go to has a full freezer and can accept no more right now.
Why Bruce?.. the ramblings of a disillusioned Hillary supporter.
quote:Originally posted by poly ball
I believe Fred could witness trump pissing on an old homeless lady, and he’d tell him he’s doing a hell of a job, really soaking her.
October 1st until November 15th is best to put in as much seat time as possible and play the weather.
is that from fetal studies, or you just paying attention to deer movement and signs?
Actually, i am quit interested in Bolbies last 20 year study on deer fetuses and the actual full blown rut in S.C.
Of cource I’m a liar… How about the last twenty years bolbie?
Want a lier? How about a “man” that tells you he will sell you some .270 amo and gives you a price, time for meeting, and then you give him all your personal information and location to meet up… and wait and wait and find out that Bolbie/plooy is a big fat liar, because he stands you up!! . BOLBI/POLLY/ROBERT IS A FAKE PIECE OF CRAP… PROVE ME OTHERWISE BOLBIE. CALL ME A LIAR! YOU PIECE OF DOO DOOO.
But this same person wants to call me a liar over some stupid crap?! that he knows I spoke the truth?! Carry on with your fetal studies that you won’t p0st. I call Bull Scat on you having data for the last 20 Years:sunglasses: Hey dude prove me wrong!!! </font id=“red”>
October 1st until November 15th is best to put in as much seat time as possible and play the weather.
is that from fetal studies, or you just paying attention to deer movement and signs?
Actually, i am quit interested in Bolbies last 20 year study on deer fetuses and the actual full blown rut in S.C.
Of cource I’m a liar… How about the last twenty years bolbie?
Want a lier? How about a “man” that tells you he will sell you some .270 amo and gives you a price, time for meeting, and then you give him all your personal information and location to meet up… and wait and wait and find out that Bolbie/plooy is a big fat liar, because he stands you up!! . BOLBI/POLLY/ROBERT IS A FAKE PIECE OF CRAP… PROVE ME OTHERWISE BOLBIE. CALL ME A LIAR! YOU PIECE OF DOO DOOO.
But this same person wants to call me a liar over some stupid crap?! that he knows I spoke the truth?! Carry on with your fetal studies that you won’t p0st. I call Bull Scat on you having data for the last 20 Years:sunglasses: Hey dude prove me wrong!!! </font id=“red”>
Dang, Fred, don’t let this crap get to you so much. You seem like a great conservative kind of person this country needs more of, but don’t lose sleep over some of the things on here you can’t control.
Dang, Fred, don’t let this crap get to you so much. You seem like a great conservative kind of person this country needs more of, but don’t lose sleep over some of the things on here you can’t control.
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It really doesn’t bother me, I’m just passing some time goofing off. I know polly was just trying to get under my skin with the name calling. I think I struck a nerve. Really I think it is cool that someone would take the time to do fetal studies and record that data for the last 20 years. I would really be interested to see what our peak rut was for those 20 years, but I really doubt Polly has that information… maybe he has it for the last 3 or 4 ?
I heard an SCDNR Biologist say, “their studies show that 80% of Does in South Carolina are bred between Oct. 16 and Nov. 10, on a year to year basis”. Not sure if they’re using a fetal scale, but I haven’t seen them removing jaw bones, to age the Deer, in a long time either?
