No one said they would not be good. But you said shaw will be missed more than Boyd. I’m not saying stoudt is not good. I dont know. but any fool can compare the 2 backups(now starters) and see that 1 has not started a game. 1 has never won a game. 1 has never played any significant time in a game. and 1 has a better winning record at clemson (couldn’t pass that up)
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Originally posted by saltydog235quote:
Originally posted by Mac509How many 4 & 5 star recruits fell off the face of the earth? I’m not validating the preseason polls, but the ranking systems are based on the same concept and you only seem to agree with one when it benefits your arguement.
Sure plenty of these highly touted players don’t pan out but more do than not. 2 and 3 * players also develop into stars because they grow up and benefit from good coaching, strength training and nutrition. The * rating is about potential and raw talent of undeveloped young men coming in nothing more. Clemson, Sakkerliner, Bama, UGA, Auburn, FSU and every other program in the nation have busts but by and large a majority of the highly recruited players pan out. It’s basically an early measuring stick for the programs.
Mike Bellamy and Michael Dyer are two that come to mind. Flashes of great play at times but off the field issues keep them from reaching their potential.
Both Clemson and Sakkerliner could have great seasons or both could end up being disappointments. They both have unknowns and perceived weaknesses heading into the season, it’s up to the coaches to vet those out and give them the schemes and training to win. It’s up to the players to go out and execute. The old Jimmy & Joe vs X’s and O’s adage. Doesn’t matter how good the game plan is if you don’t have the recruitment in place to execute most of the time.
Mark
Best thing have said on the post, aside from the crappy a$$ spelling.
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Originally posted by Fishb8No one said they would not be good. But you said shaw will be missed more than Boyd. I’m not saying stoudt is not good. I dont know. but any fool can compare the 2 backups(now starters) and see that 1 has not started a game. 1 has never won a game. 1 has never played any significant time in a game. and 1 has a better winning record at clemson (couldn’t pass that up)
(**() good thing I trust Morris’s evaluation and assessment more than I do yours.
Shaw was a gamer, he had grit and determination in spades. Thompson doesn’t from what I’ve seen. Sakkerliner will lose a game or two that Connor Shaw would have won for them.
Mark
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Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Granted these are pre-season polls but IMHO true rankings should come out at the end of September. Everyone will have a better idea of how teams will perform after three to four games in the books.
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Originally posted by saltydog235quote:
Originally posted by Fishb8No one said they would not be good. But you said shaw will be missed more than Boyd. I’m not saying stoudt is not good. I dont know. but any fool can compare the 2 backups(now starters) and see that 1 has not started a game. 1 has never won a game. 1 has never played any significant time in a game. and 1 has a better winning record at clemson (couldn’t pass that up)
(**() good thing I trust Morris’s evaluation and assessment more than I do yours.
Shaw was a gamer, he had grit and determination in spades. Thompson doesn’t from what I’ve seen. Sakkerliner will lose a game or two that Connor Shaw would have won for them.
Mark
We agree there. And I agree DT does not have the same grit. But he did walk into “Death Valley” and beat the tigers. He was the only QB to be UCF.
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Originally posted by Fishb8quote:
Originally posted by saltydog235quote:
Originally posted by Fishb8No one said they would not be good. But you said shaw will be missed more than Boyd. I’m not saying stoudt is not good. I dont know. but any fool can compare the 2 backups(now starters) and see that 1 has not started a game. 1 has never won a game. 1 has never played any significant time in a game. and 1 has a better winning record at clemson (couldn’t pass that up)
(**() good thing I trust Morris’s evaluation and assessment more than I do yours.
Shaw was a gamer, he had grit and determination in spades. Thompson doesn’t from what I’ve seen. Sakkerliner will lose a game or two that Connor Shaw would have won for them.
Mark
We agree there. And I agree DT does not have the same grit. But he did walk into “Death Valley” and beat the tigers. He was the only QB to be UCF.
Fishgut, when DT rolled into DV and beat the Tigers, that defense and especially the secondary was horrible. Kudos to him for doing that two years ago, unfortunately this season isn’t about what happened two years ago, it’s about what is going to happen this year. Had DT stayed in the Mizzu game last year, SC loses and it’s not even close. My bet is that Spurrier by midseason is to the old multiple QB form.
He’s not bad by any means but SC couldn’t combine every QB they have on the roster and com
Are you talking about the year that Clemson had 2 losses(FSU and USC). beat AU and LSU. that crappy ole defense
You are ridiculous.
I’m talking about the defense that was ranked 76th in the nation or something along those lines in 2012.
Mark
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Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
So we are talking about the same team. The one that ended the season ranked #14 in the nation.
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Originally posted by Fishb8quote:
Originally posted by saltydog235quote:
Originally posted by Fishb8No one said they would not be good. But you said shaw will be missed more than Boyd. I’m not saying stoudt is not good. I dont know. but any fool can compare the 2 backups(now starters) and see that 1 has not started a game. 1 has never won a game. 1 has never played any significant time in a game. and 1 has a better winning record at clemson (couldn’t pass that up)
(**() good thing I trust Morris’s evaluation and assessment more than I do yours.
Shaw was a gamer, he had grit and determination in spades. Thompson doesn’t from what I’ve seen. Sakkerliner will lose a game or two that Connor Shaw would have won for them.
Mark
But he did walk into “Death Valley” and beat the tigers.
Yes he did, but that was 2 years ago, our defense was very young (almost all Sophs on the DL & LB) and breaking in a new coordinator. That year we were ranked in the 60’s for total defense. Last year it went down to the low 20’s. We should be even better this season…so he will be facing a much different and very seasoned defense (6 of the front 7 are seniors).
Maybe that’s my orange colored glasses view of it but I need reason to be optimistic. 
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Originally posted by Fishb8Are you talking about the year that Clemson had 2 losses(FSU and USC). beat AU and LSU. that crappy ole defense
You are ridiculous.
I don’t normally agree with Salty even though he is a Clemson fan…but AU sucked that year and LSU had a mediocre offense. As he said our defense was ranked in the 70’s that year.
Yes, we finished #14 because our offense was excellent with Ellington, Tajh Sammy & Nuk. The LSU game was the only game our defense played decent.
Are you talking about the LSU that finished #8 in the nation…
Yall have an OCG problem.
OCG = Orange Colored Glasses
Or you have a garnet colored glasses issue.
Mark
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Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
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Originally posted by shevlinquote:
Originally posted by shevlinquote:
Originally posted by Fishb8Are you talking about the year that Clemson had 2 losses(FSU and USC). beat AU and LSU. that crappy ole defense
You are ridiculous.
I don’t normally agree with Salty even though he is a Clemson fan…</font id=“size5”></font id=“orange”></font id=“Comic Sans MS”>but AU sucked that year and LSU had a mediocre offense. As he said our defense was ranked in the 70’s that year.
Yes, we finished #14 because our offense was excellent with Ellington, Tajh Sammy & Nuk. The LSU game was the only game our defense played decent.
You should, you’d be right more often.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
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Originally posted by saltydog235Or you have a garnet colored glasses issue.
Mark
I think you find way more facts in my post than yours. Per the norm
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Originally posted by Fishb8Are you talking about the LSU that finished #8 in the nation…
Yall have an OCG problem.
OCG = Orange Colored Glasses
Yes, the #8 team LSU who won off a top 10 defense all year. LSU’s total offense was ranked 90 out of 120 teams in 2012. So you can’t say our D was good that year because we held a piss poor offensive team to 24 points.
The whole point of our argument is that our defense was not good in 2012 when Dylan Thomas beat Clemson.
Heck, Boston College, NC State & GaTech and even Ball State scored more points against us in 2012 then USC & LSU did.
Not sure how you can look at our 2012 season and think our defense was anything but below average.
So back to the point…Dylan Thompson will be facing a much better defense this time around. Granted, he could improve tremendously as well this year as the full time starter… but you can’t look to 2012 to gauge how this year’s game will play out.
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Originally posted by Fishb8quote:
Originally posted by saltydog235Or you have a garnet colored glasses issue.
Mark
I think you find way more facts in my post than yours. Per the norm
Well Norm, the only fact you posted was that DT beat Clemson as a starter in 2012. I posted the fact that Clemson’s defense was ranked 76th in the nation in 2012 and the secondary was awful. You working for a Democratic campaign these days? Keep spinning. I posted the fact that you cannot judge the upcoming 2014 season off of the results of 2012 as a measuring stick.
You make the supposition that Clemson isn’t going to have **** for shinola for an offense in 2014 because Sammy and Boyd are gone. I’ve made the assertion that you are wrong and will be proven so at some point. You seem to think the preseason rankings have a bearing on the entire season. I’ve posted the fact that there are very few that go wire to wire and often in recent years a team that wasn’t ranked or wasn’t in the top 10 ends up being the NC. Neither of us know what the season holds but I can tell you this, Clemson is going to be a better team offensively than anyone is giving them credit for at this time.
Preseason ranking mean nothing. Week 6 it starts to mean something and after the CG in January, it means everything to the season.
Mark
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Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
"Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stup
Your idea of facts and reality differ.
I never said cu had a good defense in 2012. As a matter of fact I repeatedly said they were not. I have and always will say preseason polls are worthless. I also never said Clemson will not have a good offense. I pointed out that you said USC will miss shaw, cu will be better without Boyd. Both qb were the best qbs either team has had, or (**() close. Oddly enough Clemson also will be without the qbs number one receiver. But Clemson will be better.
Could it happen, sure. But the odds are greatly against it. The best qb the Acc has seen will not be missed…
I have also said that I do not think USC will be as good as many predict. Unless the coaching staff pulls of some great coaching. Especially on defense.