When it comes to making money, the worst comes out in a lot… especially cars salesmen.
This is like the housing balloon in the early 2000’s. If the economy keeps tanking all those over priced vehicles will be hard to get full loan value. The Banks will be stuck with a bunch. I’m still thinking in a 1 or 2 I’ll get my new or new to me boat. I’ve made some prediction over the years that people thought I was crazy, but most are not too far off.
Same with houses now too. People paying 29 to 30k over out of their pocket to get into a house because it takes so long to get new construction.
Going to be same issue when they sell.
Yep, it won’t be long & all those weekend warrior campers & boaters will get tired of it or get in a financial bind & the market will flood with used toys.
Been looking at trucks, primarily GMC, since October. My son needed one immediately. We got lucky and found an AT4 2500 that was almost exactly what he wanted. Someone had ordered it paying a $1000 non-refundable deposit. When it arrived 5 months later (in November) the guy had already bought something else so it became available. Blind luck.
We tried everything we could think of to eliminate the $1000 over MSRP charge, no luck. The business manager was adamant that it would not be removed even though they already collected it from the first guy. All the dealers I’ve spoken to say the same thing - “We have so little inventory we need the revenue to pay the overhead to keep the doors open.” There’s no way to know if that is true or if it’s simply a chance to gouge the customer. The highest fee I’ve seen is $2500. Found two small dealers that didn’t have the extra fee. Their logic was, “After all this is over we hope customers remember who treated them right.”
With GM, the dealers are notified of their allotment for the week on Thursdays. That is how many vehicles they can order of each type. The larger dealers sell more vehicles so they get the largest allotments. If one can wait, it seems that the best option is to go to a small dealer and order one. Some dealers spec out and order what sells the best. That’s white or black with numerous options. Once it goes into production they are notified and it will show up as “in transit” under their dealership. Once that occurs you can place a deposit to buy the truck when it arrives. One dealer will allow you to spec out the truck exactly how you want it. They put it in their list and when the allotments come out and there is a spot, they will order it. You pay a deposit and wait for it to arrive.
If you look at dealer inventory you’ll see existing trucks and trucks “in transit.” Existing means the paperwork selling the truck has not been sent to GM. In transit means it hasn’t arrived at the dealership. Most of these trucks are so
In the process of helping my son locate a truck I looked at the 3.0 diesel engine vs. the 6.2 l gas engine available in the 1500 truck. Same torque and thus towing specs. Later this year I may get serious on one. If anyone has any insight on these two engines I’d appreciate the comments.
I’d take the 3.0 diesel hands down. The 6.2 is a gas hog and lifter issues are now in a class action lawsuit. Fuel mileage on the 3.0 is amazing, and the power for such a small displacement engine is outstanding. … Time will tell. The 3.0 is a young engine, but I have heard no issues so far out of it. the 6.2 not so much.
I’ve got 12k on my 3.0L diesel and have loved every minute of it. We take it on road trips instead of the wife’s car because of the great fuel mileage. That and a tank will last me right around 600 miles, so I typically only fill up every other week. With my previous truck, I had the 5.3L gas motor, which is perfectly adequate for that truck, but it didn’t get near the fuel economy and I filled up weekly. Big difference in money spent at the pump for me.
Towing the boat, maybe 3,000 lbs range, I get between 16-18 mpg.
Typical driving (non-towing) around town I get 25-27mpg. If I baby it and keep it between 55-60ish, I can get 30mpg. Coming down out of the mountains a few months back, I was in the low 40s!
Its also got this feature where you can monitor your trailer lights connections, tire pressure, fuel economy with that particular trailer, and transmission temp while towing. It’s pretty slick. For the trailer tire pressure, all you have to do is install TPSs in your trailer tires and tell the truck to look for them. It’ll do it automatically. I haven’t done it yet as I pull my boat maybe 3 miles at a time, but it sure would be a great piece of mind on a long road trip.
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I know two people with new trucks withthe 6.2 my boss had issues with his truck at 18,000 miles. Took it in 2 weeks later he got the truck back. Was told they replaced all the lifters. About 3,000 mi later started having the same issue. Guess what they only replaced one side.
The other fellow at about 21,000 MI same issue. Got the truck back very rough idle. This was about 3 months ago. Still not resolved.
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Dang, I’d kill for that kind of mileage in a truck. The best my Tundra has ever gotten is close to 20 w/o the boat and 13 or so with.
I’ll second the 3.0 L, my wife got the Yukon with it and we both love it. I have not towed the boat with it but the thing has great pickup.
Acceleration in the 3.0L is pretty much exactly the same as my 5.3L gas I had. The 6.2L gas is quicker to accelerate, but I didn’t need that in my truck.
“My car has nothing to prove.” ~Alabama
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
Without knowing anything about maintenance cost of a diesel engine…as far as fuel cost and cost to purchase, the numbers are clear.
Cost difference to buy is $1,500. The 3.0 is $995, the 6.2 is $2,495, $1,500 more expensive.
Using a 55 cent per gallon higher cost for diesel, the average mpg ratings for the engines, 10,000 miles/year we get this info. The diesel costs $339 less per year to fuel. Based on the actual mpg people are reporting, if we use 28 mpg the fuel cost savings increases to $550.
So, in the first year the diesel is at least $1,839 cheaper. Excluding maintenance cost.
Sailfish Admin should be able to give us some maintenance cost data.
Notes - If you’re looking at these trucks, the newer version coming out has fewer color choices. The most popular color in the current truck is Satin Steel. It isn’t available in the new ones. On the new ones the basic models will give you a choice of shifter location - column or center console. The higher level trucks are console only.
Only maintenance I’ve done is change the oil. I change it myself. I’m done with the dealership unless I have warranty issues. Its not worth my time and effort to go back to the dealership to wait 4-5 hours for some kid to round out my oil pan bolt with 120psi. I change my oil in about 15 minutes for around $50-60 depending on if I can find oil on sale or not. I will tell you this though; the oil filters for the 3.0L are not easy to find. Went to 5 places West Ashley to find it and only one place had them. I bought 3.
The 3.0L takes less oil than the 5.3L does. 7 quarts vs. 8 quarts. My 2014 chevy manual actually stated 8.5 quarts. Both take 0W20
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
GMC tailgate versus Ford tailgate
Simpler design less moving parts. Less chance of failure
Surely a lot more cost-effective to manufacture. And unlike the GMCs it is multifunctional.
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I still do all of my oil changes. I order a couple of oil filters for each of our cars from Rock Auto as well as air filters, cabin filters, etc… I also get my wipers from them as well as other assorted parts. That way all I have to do is order my oil from Home Depot, swing by and pick it up. The boys change the oil in their cars as well though they are free to take it somewhere else at their own cost.
I have only ever been back to the dealer when there is a warranty issue. Otherwise I do what I can or take it to a very trusted mechanic here in town. Dealers are the pits.
Okay that one should work better.
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I can’t see it…
My brother in law has a new 250 and likes his. Ford’s design is simpler, but flimsier. And if it breaks, you still have a functioning tailgate. The GMC/Chevy step is much sturdier, but if it breaks, well I guess it depends on how it breaks if the tailgate will still function or not. I don’t use the handhold thing on mine and he doesn’t use his on the Ford. I would use it if there were ice or slick mud on the ground I guess, or if I were older and less stable, but at my age I’m fine just stepping up.
I realize its not for everyone, but getting 40 bags of mulch out of my tail bed yesterday, I didn’t have to get up in the bed, just put down the middle part of the tailgate and was able to get close enough to grab the bags. Its amazing how much that little inner part being down makes a difference. I like it.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
Well, went to the Honda dealer with son and DIL today, as the negotiator. Well, actually to chase that 2 year old around, lol.
So, they would not budge from sticker, would only upgrade floor mats from carpet to weather tech like Honda stuff. Not much inventory, but had exactly what they needed with a 3 month old and a 2 year old boys.
It’s the 2022 Honda Pilot Special Edition. Charcoal gray, I will call it.
Super stoked for them!
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My toolbox has been at the camper in Greenville finally decided to put it on the truck.
What a pi$$ for excuse for a truck.
Toolbox won’t even sit down in it what the he!! were they thinking. I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t have a big sledgehammer I’d have made it fit.
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OTC,
what’s up with the rod holders in the side of the toolbox?
Back in the day when I had time to fish.
Hahaha
I also have a rack that I made that hooks over the inside the box that holds five more.
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That looks like an F150 tool box…
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017