BIG TROUT - UDC - 10/23/12

Funniest post I have read anywhere recently was by mclargehuge on page 3.

“Dang zombie trouts”.

Absolutely brilliant!

My thoughts…
We fish a lot and rarely keep any fish…but .that’s our choice…as I don’t like frozen fish and there’s just the two of us…besides…I want to fish and catch on another day…
We have friends who fish and keep everything…that’s their choice.
There are many charter captains who teach catch and release…and there are clients who after paying for a trip out want more then a picture to take home…they want supper…I would guess they don’t get to fish as often as we do or to enjoy the fine fish we have to offer here…if they did they wouldn’t be hiring a charter…
I also bet that while most clients understand conservation and catch and release…and i am happy for that…if every charter made them release every fish…There would Probablly be a few less charters.
(And btw…would catch and release opinion be as strong if UDC were a offshore charter or trip…just wondering ). I see a lot of finger pointing here when sometimes there have been pics by these same folks of a limit of fish…not just a few. But If the fish are eaten by those who caught them…and it’s not just a slaughter and a chance to say…“look at me…look at me…”…

I know people like stretch,fritz,affinity, salt fisher, knot at work… just to name a few , …strongly encourage carch and release…and I for one am grateful to them for that…protecting the fish protects not only them…but our future too.

I have seen UDC say he let fish go …even legal " in slot" ones…and while I would like to see more released…I do understand that in his buisness, it might not always be that easy…
There are rules and regulations…and then there’s common sense too…we have to make our own individual choices in what is “the right thing to do” , and live with that.

miss’n fish’n

212 SEAHUNT CC
Sea Squirt 16

Nice post Stuckon Land
Roll on Capt Fritz!

f i v e. lol

IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ: Gradually getting my number of posts up so that people maybe will pay attention. HA-you will never get that three seconds back!

To all the guides that seem to bash UDC every chance they get. I have a question. How many fish do YOU think you are responsible for killing by taking inexperienced fishermen/women out and playing a bull redfish, gator trout, or whatever to exhaustion? Then turn to the client and say it would be good to release it. Well it is a good chance that is a dead fish because it was probably played by the amatuer in a way to overstress the fish. So, remember whether you release or keep, all giudes dent the population of “breeder” fish one way or another. I for one, would rather see a client keep that big trout, heat up the grease and enjoy that fish one more time… Just my 2 cents.

Six seconds. . . I read it twice. . .

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Originally posted by CaptFritz

Do you ever practice catch and release on the bigger trout? It’s a great feeling releasing a fish like that, so that we “can see more like that one” in the future. Congrats on the successful day. In no way am I bashing you so please don’t take it that way. Thanks for the reports.

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“I have tomorrow open!”


In no way am I bashing you so please don’t take it that way. Thanks for the reports.

Fritz you should know you can’t have a rational discussion concerning a valid topic with a bunch of emotional, hormonal women.

No offense Penny. :wink:

I like to catch female trout on a late afternoon in July, right before they are about to pop… and put their plump, hydrated ovaries in some butter and olive oil… Mmmmm eat those little would be trout by the thousands… since it’s legal and all. :clown_face:

A pig gets fat and a hog gets slaughtered

No offense taken…as sometimes I feel I am a lot less "emotional " and “hormonal” then some of the guys on here…haha…no offense…

miss’n fish’n

212 SEAHUNT CC
Sea Squirt 16

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Originally posted by highcotton59

To all the guides that seem to bash UDC every chance they get. I have a question. How many fish do YOU think you are responsible for killing by taking inexperienced fishermen/women out and playing a bull redfish, gator trout, or whatever to exhaustion? Then turn to the client and say it would be good to release it. Well it is a good chance that is a dead fish because it was probably played by the amatuer in a way to overstress the fish. So, remember whether you release or keep, all giudes dent the population of “breeder” fish one way or another. I for one, would rather see a client keep that big trout, heat up the grease and enjoy that fish one more time… Just my 2 cents.


Good to see you posting. Tell me more about how my "inexperienced clients" fight bull reds to exhaustion and then they die after being released.

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“I have tomorrow open!”

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Originally posted by CaptFritz
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Originally posted by highcotton59

To all the guides that seem to bash UDC every chance they get. I have a question. How many fish do YOU think you are responsible for killing by taking inexperienced fishermen/women out and playing a bull redfish, gator trout, or whatever to exhaustion? Then turn to the client and say it would be good to release it. Well it is a good chance that is a dead fish because it was probably played by the amatuer in a way to overstress the fish. So, remember whether you release or keep, all giudes dent the population of “breeder” fish one way or another. I for one, would rather see a client keep that big trout, heat up the grease and enjoy that fish one more time… Just my 2 cents.


Good to see you posting. Tell me more about how my "inexperienced clients" fight bull reds to exhaustion and then they die after being released.

www.advoutdoors.com
“I have tomorrow open!”


Although studies show that all measurable physiological effects of sublethal stress as a result of being caught are fully reversed within approximately 24 hours , it is reasonable to infer that fish played to exhaustion may suffer more serious stress than fish that are relatively rapidly landed . Therefore, rapid landing is safer and less likely to result in complications affecting survival after release. Also,studies show that the longer the length of time that fish are removed from the water, the greater the measurable effects in the fish’s short-term biochemical profile. Increases are seen in the physiological indicators of stress (increased blood cortisol and lac

Captain Steve…I miss your posts! Didn’t see you out this weekend.

Steph <*}}}><

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I was out there Saturday. That trip was posted.

Capt. Steve Fralin
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Edisto Island, SC 29438
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Although studies show that all measurable physiological effects of sublethal stress as a result of being caught are fully reversed within approximately 24 hours , it is reasonable to infer that fish played to exhaustion may suffer more serious stress than fish that are relatively rapidly landed . Therefore, rapid landing is safer and less likely to result in complications affecting survival after release. Also,studies show that the longer the length of time that fish are removed from the water, the greater the measurable effects in the fish’s short-term biochemical profile. Increases are seen in the physiological indicators of stress (increased blood cortisol and lactate concentration) and the direct gas exchange measurements (carbon dioxide retention and lowered oxygen tension). Thus, since you take client fish photos this would contribute to higher fish mortality after release.


Nice cut and paste, I’ve read that before… one thing is the assumption the guides fish are “played to exhaustion”. Most guides I know use correct tackle for the time and place, ie no 6lb test at the grilliage.

…and who knew, keeping a fish out of water can kill them… [:0]:clown_face:… I could of told you that in basic english without all that fancy scientific verbiage…:face_with_head_bandage:

Another issue I have, based on this literature… it would be “reasonable to infer” that tagging studies are more detrimental to a fishes survival than a hook and line capture and quick photo.

I really don’t want to get into the logistics of it all but I assume Highcotton knows all about how these studies are conducted… yea?

You gonna take a stand against tagging now?

A pig gets fat and a hog gets slaughtered

That’s funny as hell!

quote:
Originally posted by TyOneOn

The biggest thing you consistently catch UDC, is your limit on crybabies. You got a grand slam on this latest post :smiley:


Funnier because TyOneOn is one of the crybabies.

A pig gets fat and a hog gets slaughtered

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Originally posted by Olebassard
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Although studies show that all measurable physiological effects of sublethal stress as a result of being caught are fully reversed within approximately 24 hours , it is reasonable to infer that fish played to exhaustion may suffer more serious stress than fish that are relatively rapidly landed . Therefore, rapid landing is safer and less likely to result in complications affecting survival after release. Also,studies show that the longer the length of time that fish are removed from the water, the greater the measurable effects in the fish’s short-term biochemical profile. Increases are seen in the physiological indicators of stress (increased blood cortisol and lactate concentration) and the direct gas exchange measurements (carbon dioxide retention and lowered oxygen tension). Thus, since you take client fish photos this would contribute to higher fish mortality after release.


Nice cut and paste, I’ve read that before… one thing is the assumption the guides fish are “played to exhaustion”. Most guides I know use correct tackle for the time and place, ie no 6lb test at the grilliage.

…and who knew, keeping a fish out of water can kill them… [:0]:clown_face:… I could of told you that in basic english without all that fancy scientific verbiage…:face_with_head_bandage:

Another issue I have, based on this literature… it would be “reasonable to infer” that tagging studies are more detrimental to a fishes survival than a hook and line capture and quick photo.

I really don’t want to get into the logistics of it all but I assume Highcotton knows all about how these studies are conducted… yea?

You gonna take a stand against tagging now?

Who said it was a sin to kill a few fish?

A pig gets fat and a hog gets slaughtered

10k reads. Wow.

www.advoutdoors.com
“I have tomorrow open!”

[quote]Originally posted by Olebassard

Who said it was a sin to kill a few fish?

Not me… heck I even comb my hair with a fish scaler.