Where did this Warbler guy come from? Wowza, bets on when the oyster baron thread returns?
“mr keys”
Oyster baron? WTH?
The first rule of fight club is…
the search feature is your friend. a fella was on here with a similar attitude to you in that not too distant past, things went downhill quickly for him. hilarious though for the rest of us…
“mr keys”
I searched, couldn’t get it to work. How about link it for me. Thanks.
I like the idea of boat limits, like 1 per boat per day. And increasing the slot length. But, I don’t think releasing a gaffed fish after measuring and finding out it is too short will help increase the number of spawning fish. I don’t know if education is enough to get people to use a net on questionable fish or not.
Coach; I agree with you with boat limits (one per person) and size limit increase for both inshore and offshore but also be species restricted as to gaf verses net to insure survival of under size fish. Means a big net!IMO better than dead fish and closing down the fishery.
I like the idea of boat limits, like 1 per boat per day. And increasing the slot length. But, I don’t think releasing a gaffed fish after measuring and finding out it is too short will help increase the number of spawning fish. I don’t know if education is enough to get people to use a net on questionable fish or not.
Try educating the Broad River crowd on nets and you’re going to hear a whole lot of, “Bo, I ain’t got no net big enough, bo, and I already done used all my money on this here gaff, bo.” Shut it down and let the fish thrive. Do we never learn anything??? Bluefin??? Billfish???
I don’t have any problem at all with increasing the size limit and a one per boat a day limit. My personal limit is one per day and 3 total a season anyway. That’s enough for us to eat. I seldom keep inshore fish of any kind, I’d rather release them and catch them again later.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
There’s going to be government regulation of a public resource one way or the other. My point is that the regulation should be centered on what’s best for the resource, not what if fair for everybody. “Fairness” for everybody, when it comes to government, is a socialist principle. If shutting down the inshore fishery for cobia is what is best for the resource, so be it.
Where did this Warbler guy come from? Wowza, bets on when the oyster baron thread returns?
“mr keys”
Oyster baron? WTH?
The first rule of fight club is…
the search feature is your friend. a fella was on here with a similar attitude to you in that not too distant past, things went downhill quickly for him. hilarious though for the rest of us…
“mr keys”
I searched, couldn’t get it to work. How about link it for me. Thanks.
The first rule of fight club is…
Admin made that thread go POOF I suppose, you’re right it’s not there anymore. You missed out though
I’m fine with increasing the slot length. I’m also fine with a boat limit. I think 1 per person or 2 per boat would be more than fair. 1 per boat might be a little extreme considering that once you give something up the likely hood of ever getting it back is very slim. I don’t feel like the fish caught offshore should be allowed to be sold either. Load the boat with fish knowing that you’re gonna get a fat check at the dock is not helping these issues.
Personally, a “slot” would suit cobia quite well. Handling big fish at the boat for weekend warriors will not go well. As stated you will get gaff/oops/release more than once…
A “small” fish can be netted or slung over the rail for measurement.
Big fish lay waaaaay more eggs and pass on better genes.
You will, within a season, know that a particular fish is “too big” and cut the line boat side.
The SC Artificial Reef system should not be a “free for all” for the charter fleet that in a week kills more cobia than every other angler combined. I vote for a special permit to fish those reefs that DNR can check. Maybe even a “no harvest” zone on the reefs. They should be for the enjoyment of everyone. Not for the financial gain of a few.
I didn’t say being fair should override what’s best for the resource, Warbler. I’ll try again, at the risk of being called a socialist or democrat, again, by you.
Pointing fingers at one another as if one group is more to blame than another will result in you getting SHUT DOWN. This isn’t a crystal ball I’m looking at. It’s called history. It isn’t done for the fishery. It’s done for an agenda. The management entities are no longer science-based. They have a goal, and they find data and arguments to support it. Science takes a hypothesis and tests it. That is not what the SAFMC does anymore. They aren’t interested in testing. They’re interested in control.
Do not come on here using the Bluefin tuna hyberbole without explaining that cobia are gamefish in SC that cannot even be sold legally unless they’re caught in federal waters. That, in itself, defeats your comparison of ignorant “Bo” in the river being anything like Bluefin tuna fishermen.
Also, in your book* …
flip to the RED SNAPPER or BLACK SEA BASS chapter if you want less ridiculous comparisons in order to predict what will happen if certain lines of reasoning are followed by those interested in cobia.
If you follow the Walter Fondren type dogma that the only way wild game ever gets into trouble is if they’re sold commercially, then I’m surprised you’re worried about mocking people fishing in the river. They couldn’t hurt the fish- only the commercial guys could- and they’re not in the river, are they???
Thought I was done , but as stated Cortland hit it on the head
with slot limits, DNR reef permits ,boat limits for off and inshore,
but include; nets or lip grip only for specific species such as cobia
or other slot fish.
b]Phin[/b] has the right attitude/value , that its not fair to allow some and not others to enjoy the resources.
Done with this thread again;
I think/hope!!!
I didn’t say being fair should override what’s best for the resource, Warbler. I’ll try again, at the risk of being called a socialist or democrat, again, by you.
Pointing fingers at one another as if one group is more to blame than another will result in you getting SHUT DOWN. This isn’t a crystal ball I’m looking at. It’s called history. It isn’t done for the fishery. It’s done for an agenda. The management entities are no longer science-based. They have a goal, and they find data and arguments to support it. Science takes a hypothesis and tests it. That is not what the SAFMC does anymore. They aren’t interested in testing. They’re interested in control.
Do not come on here using the Bluefin tuna hyberbole without explaining that cobia are gamefish in SC that cannot even be sold legally unless they’re caught in federal waters. That, in itself, defeats your comparison of ignorant “Bo” in the river being anything like Bluefin tuna fishermen.
Also, in your book* …
flip to the RED SNAPPER or BLACK SEA BASS chapter if you want less ridiculous comparisons in order to predict what will happen if certain lines of reasoning are followed by those interested in cobia.
If you follow the Walter Fondren type dogma that the only way wild game ever gets into trouble is if they’re sold commercially, then I’m surprised you’re worried about mocking people fishing in the river. They couldn’t hurt the fish- only the commercial guys could- and they’re not in the river, are they???
The reason why a particular fishery might be in trouble (bluefin, commercial fishing…cobia, slaughtering at choke points) is not the point. The point is, some folks act like closing down a fishery is the end of the world and shouldn’t be an option. Why not, if that’s what the resou
The reason why a particular fishery might be in trouble (bluefin, commercial fishing…cobia, slaughtering at choke points) is not the point. The point is, some folks act like closing down a fishery is the end of the world and shouldn’t be an option. Why not, if that’s what the resource needs to sustain itself for future generations? I get it…you think you’ve got every government official figured out…they’re all out to get you and me…that’s just not true. Are the some with their own agendas? Of course. There are extremes on both sides: enviro-whackos who want us all to be fishwatchers and commercial guys on the other side who would catch the last fish in the ocean without a second thought if he thought he’d make a buck off it. Most folks are in the middle, not on the extremes.
The first rule of fight club is…
MPA’s: little to no scientific evidence they work
Catch Shares: little to no scientific evidence they work
Yet, these are quite obviously NMFS and NOAA’s primary goals at this time. I’m sorry if you want to be naive enough to think things are not agenda driven but are driven by science. They are not.
As I have repeatedly said, they make management decisions that are not warranted by sound science quite frequently nowadays. Why are you jumping to closing down the river and not closing down commercial harvest? Your preconceptions were clear as you spoke about how Bubba in the river kills all the cobia he hooks, Bo.
You ignored the part where I said if they’re separate populations, then separate management makes sense. You jumped all over me for trying to look out for people. Called me an Obama voter and socialist.
Sounds to me like you just came on here with an ax to grind.
X 2 Phin; some folks heads are diamond hard and wearing mule blinders!!! Just hope that common sense and science prevails, instead of book smart and common sense stupid. That IMO ,will not!!!
