This forum should be careful with redfish vesting suggestions. Venting is a controversial, but probably effective, release technique for some reef species (snapper, some groupers, etc) pulled out of deep water. I have never heard anyone (except for this thread) suggest that a redfish pulled out of 40 feet of water should be vented or sent to the bottom with a weight.
If anyone has information suggesting otherwise, I can be easily persuaded. In the meantime, I’m not sure we need a bunch of redfish anchored to the bottom of the harbor.
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Originally posted by smoothdogThis forum should be careful with redfish vesting suggestions. Venting is a controversial, but probably effective, release technique for some reef species (snapper, some groupers, etc) pulled out of deep water. I have never heard anyone (except for this thread) suggest that a redfish pulled out of 40 feet of water should be vented or sent to the bottom with a weight.
If anyone has information suggesting otherwise, I can be easily persuaded. In the meantime, I’m not sure we need a bunch of redfish anchored to the bottom of the harbor.
I don’t often fish for those big breeders in deep water, but I do think that venting is a touchy subject. I would much prefer a descent tool (just a barbless hook and a weight).
My train of thought is that if someone is fishing a bottom bait in 40’ of water and catches a redfish, what harm could there possibly be in releasing that fish back in 40’ of water rather than at the surface?
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Originally posted by CaptFritzOne thing I find interesting is the concern for one dead redfish when hundreds of other fish are killed in the next report you may read and no one cares about the conservation of that species.
23 says you only need 20 baits for a day of fishing.
I completely agree. I made a post in another thread mentioning that I would not have kept so many fish, and my post disappeared…
I assure you that the reports, pictures showing spots, and detailed information on where and how to catch fish has killed 1000 times as many fish as pulling redfish up from deep water ever will. People on this website are to blame for the decline in the fishery. You would have gone hungry 20 years ago before you had the internet on which to learn.
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Originally posted by Wizard OwlI assure you that the reports, pictures showing spots, and detailed information on where and how to catch fish has killed 1000 times as many fish as pulling redfish up from deep water ever will. People on this website are to blame for the decline in the fishery. You would have gone hungry 20 years ago before you had the internet on which to learn.
I’m gonna go ahead and keep this one…
20 years ago the internet was around you must mean in the old old days. All the old salt dawgs hurt fishing. Keeping and killing everything because gas went up to 2 dollars and a day in the boat cost as much as a dinner out. Table fishermen hurt fishing. Commercial fishing hurts fishing. Sport fishing and proper catch and release reports help fishing. If know one reported we would probably have even tighter regs. The point is why kill what’s not consumed. Its a waste of resources.
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Originally posted by Wizard OwlI assure you that the reports, pictures showing spots, and detailed information on where and how to catch fish has killed 1000 times as many fish as pulling redfish up from deep water ever will. People on this website are to blame for the decline in the fishery. You would have gone hungry 20 years ago before you had the internet on which to learn.
I’m gonna go ahead and keep this one…
LMAO!!! This guy!
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Where is the science that says venting is effective? A recent study in the GOM proved that it was not for red snapper leading them to consider repealing the ventilation tool requirement.
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Originally posted by skinneejWhere is the science that says venting is effective? A recent study in the GOM proved that it was not for red snapper leading them to consider repealing the ventilation tool requirement.
I’ve never had occasion to vent a bull red, but I’ve vented a bunch of red snapper and I’ve seen a lot of red snapper released without having been vented. From personal experience (no scientific study) I know when I release a vented snapper, it appears to scurry back down to the deep. When snapper are released with their swim bladder still sticking out of their mouths, they frantically flop around on the surface unable to go under. That doesn’t last long before a shark makes a meal of the poor snapper. A vented snapper has a chance. An un-vented snapper has no chance.
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quote:It certainly gives warm and fuzzies. Just because a vented fish makes it to the bottom, doesnt mean it survives. Some of the physical tissue damage is irreversible. I can't remember the science behind it, but if I recall, people usually handle the fish more during the venting process (rubbing off the protective slime) and/or vent the fish improperly, killing fish that otherwise would have survived without venting. My understanding is not bringing them in the boat or touching them at all (ie use dehooker) yields the same survival rates as venting. Most of the guys on CF.com can't hesitate grabbing them by the gills for a picture which drives up mortality 10 fold.
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Originally posted by skinneejWhere is the science that says venting is effective? A recent study in the GOM proved that it was not for red snapper leading them to consider repealing the ventilation tool requirement.
I’ve never had occasion to vent a bull red, but I’ve vented a bunch of red snapper and I’ve seen a lot of red snapper released without having been vented. From personal experience (no scientific study) I know when I release a vented snapper, it appears to scurry back down to the deep. When snapper are released with their swim bladder still sticking out of their mouths, they frantically flop around on the surface unable to go under. That doesn’t last long before a shark makes a meal of the poor snapper. A vented snapper has a chance. An un-vented snapper has no chance.
Harold Wilcox
www.haroldshogwash.com
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:It certainly gives warm and fuzzies. Just because a vented fish makes it to the bottom, doesnt mean it survives. Some of the physical tissue damage is irreversible. I can't remember the science behind it, but if I recall, people usually handle the fish more during the venting process (rubbing off the protective slime) and/or vent the fish improperly, killing fish that otherwise would have survived without venting. My understanding is not bringing them in the boat or touching them at all (ie use dehooker) yields the same survival rates as venting. Most of the guys on CF.co
Originally posted by hwilcoxquote:
Originally posted by skinneejWhere is the science that says venting is effective? A recent study in the GOM proved that it was not for red snapper leading them to consider repealing the ventilation tool requirement.
I’ve never had occasion to vent a bull red, but I’ve vented a bunch of red snapper and I’ve seen a lot of red snapper released without having been vented. From personal experience (no scientific study) I know when I release a vented snapper, it appears to scurry back down to the deep. When snapper are released with their swim bladder still sticking out of their mouths, they frantically flop around on the surface unable to go under. That doesn’t last long before a shark makes a meal of the poor snapper. A vented snapper has a chance. An un-vented snapper has no chance.
Harold Wilcox
www.haroldshogwash.com
Well from what I read your supposed to have a dehooker on board or a good pair of pliers. You lean over the rail shake the hook and the fish falls off never being touched. But lets be honest people don’t care about our resources, they abuse them horribly.
This thread is beginning to remind me of a cat chasing its tail. I think most fishermen do care about the resource. In the extreme, some obviously care more than others, but when conscientious fishermen start arguing over who cares more, how does either win that argument? It’s a bit like two folks who are madly in love with each other arguing over who loves the other more. Maybe the person who has so much compassion for the fish that they don’t fish at all cares the most about the resource. I don’t think any of us fall into that category. So, for us it’s really all about a matter of degrees.
This thread started because someone probably released a fish that didn’t survive. We’ve probably all done things that didn’t turn out well. I’m reminded of a story about casting the first stone. From time to time, I am struck by how much greater everyone else’s sins are than our own.
Harold Wilcox
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Originally posted by Wizard OwlI assure you that the reports, pictures showing spots, and detailed information on where and how to catch fish has killed 1000 times as many fish as pulling redfish up from deep water ever will. People on this website are to blame for the decline in the fishery. You would have gone hungry 20 years ago before you had the internet on which to learn.
I assure you that you are incorrect. Think about just one breeder fish that someone hugged too long for a photo… that’s 1.5 million eggs (some have been reported to lay closer to 3 million) a year and we know they can live over 40 years. Back in the day very few targeted the huge breeder spot tail as they don’t taste as good as the smaller ones. Nowadays it seems the popular charter is to target a huge Spot tail gut wrench it to the boat,then hug, kiss and take a picture with it.
Personally I’m not gonna target any species that I can’t eat, unfortunately if you fish you are going to catch a fish you can’t keep . I’ll just do my best to release them and who knows maybe I’ll move into the modern area and take a few pictures too.
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Originally posted by Wizard OwlI assure you that the reports, pictures showing spots, and detailed information on where and how to catch fish has killed 1000 times as many fish as pulling redfish up from deep water ever will. People on this website are to blame for the decline in the fishery. You would have gone hungry 20 years ago before you had the internet on which to learn.
I assure you that you are incorrect. Think about just one breeder fish that someone hugged too long for a photo… that’s 1.5 million eggs (some have been reported to lay closer to 3 million) a year and we know they can live over 40 years. Back in the day very few targeted the huge breeder spot tail as they don’t taste as good as the smaller ones. Nowadays it seems the popular charter is to target a huge Spot tail gut wrench it to the boat,then hug, kiss and take a picture with it.
Personally I’m not gonna target any species that I can’t eat, unfortunately if you fish you are going to catch a fish you can’t keep . I’ll just do my best to release them and who knows maybe I’ll move into the modern area and take a few pictures too.
“Why Bruce?”
23 says you only need 20 baits for a day of fishing.
I am all for a safe return, but there is no way that the bulls population is lower than it has ever been in 25 years. DNR also says that red snapper have almost gone extinct around Charleston yet I’ve pulled up a good amount of 20-25 pounders. I think that DNR needs to do a better job on their fish studies. Half the numbers are pulled from social media and other pictures, they need to figure out a better way to properly account for the number of fish on any given breed. thats my two cents
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noah kolesha
I blame this fishes death on captain Fritz! He is clearly at fault, let’s not forget all the menhaden he murders daily!!!
Keith McPherson
We made a day trip to Savannah and I saw that same red float by when I was walking down River Street.
I can 100% confirm I’ve caught and released the same fish before as can a ton of people who have caught tagged fian. Proper handling is key.
Fred thinks bull reds are the new charter, once again he is clueless, croaker fishing is where the good money is made
Thow in a pinfish for good measure
23 says you only need 20 baits for a day of fishing.