I heard Sonoco banned deer dogging on all of their leases…can anyone confirm? Maybe it was another large landowner. Any input would be greatly appreciated!
You are correct. Sonoco owns about 45,000 acres in the state and has just notified its lease holders they will no longer allow the hunting of deer with dogs on their land. Big hit for deer doggers. It is a shame that the doggers have allowed this to happen by not asking for tougher laws to weed out the bad guys causing all the problems. I am suprised Meadwestvaco still allows it. It is a huge liability. I have heard there is a landowner suing another large timber company in the state due to years of abuse at this hands of his deer dogging neighbors as well. Not sure of the outcome on that one.
Didnt the Renegade Hunting Act fix the problems? I thought that required dog hunters to have permits and only hunt on established minimum size areas…are people breaking the law?
Absolutely not. I wish on the permits. That is what they do in Georgia and it has almost solved the problem. The same old abuse is happening all over the state that has been going on for decades. The Renegade Hunter Act was a political move to make it seem like something was being done and it was not. I heard a horrible story about a 60 something year old vietnam vet getting beat up really badly by a thirty something year old deer dogger this past season in SC. From what I heard the vet got in the guys way on a county road when he was trying to shoot a deer and the fight followed. Of course if you don’t own land on both sides of a road you are not supposed to hunt from it but you know how that goes with doggers. Ever seen them lined up on 95 or 26? Still same old thing.
I read a story of not one but 2 still hunters being shot by other still hunters, shot dead. 3 fell out of tree stands, dead. Caught a few trespassing still hunters this past season as well. My point being no group in the state is absent of a bad apples and accidents. And I believe your probably one of them hiding behind a user name such as no deer dogs. It’ll be alright though.
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You may be right about the still hunters killed and of course their are bad apples. Accidents happen to everyone. Trespassing still hunters can be prosecuted. Can I prosecute someone that runs 25 trespassing howling hounds on my farm every Wednesday and Saturday for months? Nope. You sound like a deflecting deer dogger. You always hear them pointing fingers at others instead of looking in the mirror. Maybe that is why their places to hunt are going down to next to notthing. Just curious, do you own the land you hunt on?
Why do doggers feel like they have the right to let their dogs trespass?
So they don’t have to pay a lease, maintain anything, feed, plant plots, etc. Then they can kill the deer you have been maintaining, steel your cameras, destroy your roads, etc. Dog hunting is cheap and lazy for most. They reap your benefits and know the wardens aren’t going to do anything to them. Occasionally they kill a really big buck and can’t even pay for the taxidermy work. Doesn’t matter if you try to do it right or are a renegade idiot, YOU CANNOT RUN DOGS WITHOUT CAUSING CONFLICT WITH SOMEONE AT SOME POINT.
" It is what it is".
I would not agree with that as a whole for all doggers. There are some clubs I know of that would never think of running dogs unless they were 100% sure their dogs would not get off of the property they hunt on. They have very large tracts. The problem is that is a very, very small percentage of all the people that do dog hunt. Most landowners are fed up with doggers because they have tried to ask them to stop running trespassing dogs all over them for many years but the doggers ignore them because they know there are no laws protecting the landowners from the trespassing dogs. Tons of laws protecting dogs and thier owners but not so much for the landowners protection against those trespassing dogs. You see the result, people stop allowing dogging. Tougher laws would go a long way toward fixing this problem.
Haven’t hunted with the dogs in 2 or 3 years, just lost interest a little as the older generation has passed and it isn’t like it used to be for me. Have been carrying the bow alot more as well to give the deer more of a chance, hasn’t helped them any. Hunt on family land. I will agree that the young trash running around with a box slam full of foxhounds are a pain in the as$, but that’s not the norm around here. And while im at it tellin me why the The gw’s are out riding around 30 miles offshore checking fish boxes burning up tax money, they aren’t in the woods writing tickets. Saw 2 gw’s last year and hunted every day almost.
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NDD, there is no way you will ever keep dogs on a tract 100% of the time unless it is fenced! period… At some point, there will be an issue with someone. I know guys that try their best and have large tracts but they still cause issues at times. I have been around doggers my entire life and I have yet to find any that can keep control of their hounds 100% of the time unless the property is well fenced and maintained.
salty, I have tried to get three different GW’s and called the district office countelss times in the past three years to do something. They have yet to. 1 dogger got a ticket for having a doe untagged and that was it. When you get fed up and start confronting these guys, that is when the shat starts, cameras come up missing, etc.
" It is what it is".
Don’t worry, the way the doggers keep ignoring the problem and the trajectory the sport is on it will eventually go away. That is unless some GOOD doggers show up and ask for serious fines, penalties including loss of hunting privileges for those serious and repeated trouble makers. That is what the doggers did in GA and they are going strong. Not in SC though. I would say call your senator and rep and tell them your problems. Epsecially the guys on the fish, game and ag committees. They can rattle some cages if they really want to. Check out the site below. You are not alone.
Know all you are saying NDD… Been dealing with it for 20 plus years. I have no issue with doggers that do their thing where they are supposed to be. I hunted alongside a small dog club years ago of all older guys and they were great. We all had an understanding and stood by it. No one was trying to one up the other, etc. They hunted Tues and Sat. I hunted wed and sun when the deer were filtering back in. Worked out great.
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Originally posted by salty849Haven’t hunted with the dogs in 2 or 3 years, just lost interest a little as the older generation has passed and it isn’t like it used to be for me. Have been carrying the bow alot more as well to give the deer more of a chance, hasn’t helped them any. Hunt on family land. I will agree that the young trash running around with a box slam full of foxhounds are a pain in the as$, but that’s not the norm around here. And while im at it tellin me why the The gw’s are out riding around 30 miles offshore checking fish boxes burning up tax money, they aren’t in the woods writing tickets. Saw 2 gw’s last year and hunted every day almost.
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GW are out there in the woods not just 30 miles offshore. Poor guys are just run too lean. Not enough man power to do the job they need to be doing.
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Originally posted by SCARCHER220NDD, there is no way you will ever keep dogs on a tract 100% of the time unless it is fenced! period… At some point, there will be an issue with someone. I know guys that try their best and have large tracts but they still cause issues at times. I have been around doggers my entire life and I have yet to find any that can keep control of their hounds 100% of the time unless the property is well fenced and maintained.
Your right, no way to keep them 100% of the time with out fenced in property unless maybe you swapped to a couple of small beagles on 1500 acres or so. You could probably be pretty close to 100% with those. Start running some Walkers, or Red Bones and 3000 Acres won’t contain them. Ever heard of a Dog hunter not having to hunt for dogs a few hunts out of the year? I haven’t.
I do love some dog hunting from time to time and there are a lot of respectable dog hunters, but unfortunately when you get a group that turn a pack loose on 30-50 acres there is no way to keep them on that track even using small beagles. The days of knowing all the surrounding land owners and telling them we’re hunting Saturday come join us! … are gone.
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Originally posted by SCARCHER220NDD, there is no way you will ever keep dogs on a tract 100% of the time unless it is fenced! period…
That statement is not 100% correct Sir. you want to see dogs that will NOT get off the property, then go to Middleton Place Plantation, the dog drivers ride horseback and know how to train dogs, it is one of the best hunts you can go on. (If you get an invitation)
You even wear a tie while you hunt.
Going to Church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
You are the offspring of 5 monkeys having But Secs with a retarded fish squirrel. CONGRADULATION!!!
You are correct. Middleton is the best thing around. Those are the kind of guys that should be stepping up and asking for the SERIOUS penalties for those who let their dogs get off their land. I really don’t understand why they are not to be honest. Eventually the good ole boys network in the legislature will retire or get voted out like Knox did and it will be easier for the new guys in office to ban it rather than protect it. At this stage in the game that would be fine with me. Are there any good doggers out there listening??? Stop sitting on your hands and waiting for your sport to vanish. Do something to protect it an BEG for really tough laws regarding trespassing deer dogs. Hello…anyone out there??? Doing nothing is the best way to insure your sport will without a doubt go away.
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Originally posted by SCARCHER220NDD, there is no way you will ever keep dogs on a tract 100% of the time unless it is fenced! period…
That statement is not 100% correct Sir. you want to see dogs that will NOT get off the property, then go to Middleton Place Plantation, the dog drivers ride horseback and know how to train dogs, it is one of the best hunts you can go on. (If you get an invitation)
You even wear a tie while you hunt.Going to Church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
You are the offspring of 5 monkeys having But Secs with a retarded fish squirrel. CONGRADULATION!!!
That is the elite of the elite. Real world our everyday dog hunters including the ones that try to stick by the rules just isn’t going to happen. Waiting on my invitation.
I truly believe that if we had tough laws that included the following this problem would 99% go away in a year or two because the bad guys would be in jail, fined so much and lose their hunting rights for years.
- Free land permits and licenses for hunting with dogs. The land you hunt must be described with maps and boundary lines in the permit along with permission from the landowner and all hunters information on the permit. If you have a club that runs dogs the entire club and all its members must have permits and licenses for running dogs.
- Stiff fines, loss of all hunting and fishing licenses for two years and up to five years and possible jail time as well for repeat offenders.
- Make it 100% illegal for a hunting dog to trespass with a warning system and again no tolerance for repeat offenders, not in just one single season but over several seasons. (Everyone knows who the offenders are anyway)
Do these three things and you will weed out the bad apples in a season or two and only the guys that really do it right will be left stading. It will also force doggers to get a positive relationship with their neighbors, which of course most of them do not now because they do not have to. Personally if a neighbor came to me and said hey we are going to be hunting next door if a dog gets off please call us and we will come and get him immediately and this happened very, very rarely I would not have a problem with it. As of now of course this does not happen.
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4)all dogs MUST have owners current, correct name, address, phone number and dog hunting license number on his collar at all times. If a game warden rolls up on a group and their dogs arent tagged properly right then and there he knows who he is dealing with and there would be no excuses for that.