I don’t perceive knowingly breaking the law by not following the law and getting fined as extortion. An area is considered baited for ten days following the complete removal of all salt, grain or other feed. Your friends should each have given you some re-payment since you paid in full and they were not charged. The Dnr officer did cut yall a break. Sorry it happened to you, but think of all the poachers that didn’t get caught.
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Originally posted by ReelShock I had to pay each of those fines in cash in the field immediately and plead guilty or the four other hunters in the field were to receive $475 tickets for hunting over a baited field. In my book that's extortion, strong arming....
That doesn’t sound like the law to me…
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by crappie happyI’ve always had a problem with the DNR accessing private property without a warrant.
I’ve never had one issue with DNR accessing private property, unless there was a reason to. DNR is welcome on my property 24/7.
Here is my reasoning, when it comes to an issue with a rogue hunter there is no time for a warrant. Action is generally required quick, fast, and in a hurry. IF not the perp goes free to do more harm.
And I didn’t either, until I got fined for a technicality by DNR while they were trying to catch turkey baiters. They are no longer welcome on my property, not that that matters to them. They have a license to trespass as they wish.
STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. If its your private property, then someone should need permission from you to access it.
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Originally posted by ReelShockOkay long story.
The sunflower field made very little. We bush hog Stripes through it busted some heads up and got some seed on the ground. We added about 30 pounds over 7 Acres to sweeten the pot.
On the 10th day after doing so we had a Dove shoot which I participated in.
The law enforcement officer wrote me a ticket for baiting a dove field. Another ticket for shooting over a baited the field.
The main character of this. I had to pay each of those fines in cash in the field immediately and plead guilty or the four other hunters in the field were to receive $475 tickets for hunting over a baited field.
In my book that’s extortion, strong arming…
You broke the law, plain and simple. Read the regs. If the other fellas helped you or even knew about it they should pony up some cash and be thankful they didn’t get tickets of their own. You got fined for preparing a baited field for baiting it and having others shoot over it, saved them from getting a ticket.
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I've always had a problem with the DNR accessing private property without a warrant.
I don’t. They are welcome to come on my 80 acres, they might be staking out somebody else who is baiting and hunting my property that I don’t even know about. It’s happened before. Also had a meth lab in the woods busted.
The thing around here is that there are many thousand acre farms, private land, and many multi-thousand acres of timber company land. Private, leased, but heavily hunted If the DNR couldn’t patrol that, they would miss 90% of game violations. I don’t break they law, I don’t get tickets, and they can come to my house whenever they want to. Best to remain on good terms with the DNR.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
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STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. If its your private property, then someone should need permission from you to access it.
I usually agree with you. But consider this. You probably live in a subdivision of some sort. Pure speculation on my part there. But if the police want to come to your house for any reason, do you expect them to stop at the end of your driveway, call you on the phone, and ask your permission to walk up your private sidewalk and knock on your door?
Put this on a larger scale. I live on a fairly large tract of rural land, and I own it from the public road. It’s 1/2 mile from the road to my house, all of it private, with No Trespassing signs all the way down it. Never known it to keep the County sheriff dept. or the DNR from coming down it. OK with me. I’m not breaking any laws.
If you broke the law and got a ticket, suck it up. Who can you blame but yourself?
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
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Originally posted by ReelShock I had to pay each of those fines in cash in the field immediately and plead guilty or the four other hunters in the field were to receive $475 tickets for hunting over a baited field. In my book that's extortion, strong arming....
Now that I don’t agree with and it does sound like extortion. I’ve had a few boating and fishing violations in my younger days, and always got my day in court in front of a judge with a lawyer. I always lost, because I was guilty [:I] If I’m breaking the law and get caught fair and square, no complaint from me. But who carries $475 in their pocket when dove hunting anyway? That’s absurd!
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
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But who carries $475 in their pocket when dove hunting anyway? That's absurd!Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
People that know they’ve baited a field…
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Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. If its your private property, then someone should need permission from you to access it.
I usually agree with you. But consider this. You probably live in a subdivision of some sort. Pure speculation on my part there. But if the police want to come to your house for any reason, do you expect them to stop at the end of your driveway, call you on the phone, and ask your permission to walk up your private sidewalk and knock on your door?
Put this on a larger scale. I live on a fairly large tract of rural land, and I own it from the public road. It’s 1/2 mile from the road to my house, all of it private, with No Trespassing signs all the way down it. Never known it to keep the County sheriff dept. or the DNR from coming down it. OK with me. I’m not breaking any laws.
If you broke the law and got a ticket, suck it up. Who can you blame but yourself?
I don’t live in a subdivision, nor will I ever again.
If a police officer pulls up in my driveway and comes knocking on my door, he better have a good reason to be doing that. If you pull up in my drive way and come knock on my door, I expect you to have a good reason to do that too. I respect all LEOs, but you have to open your eyes and realize that we are living in a day and age where not all people have good intentions and some will abuse their power as much as people will allow it. Americans are slowly giving away their rights with every generation and I don’t like the idea of law enforcement having as much power as THEY deem fit. Yes, there should be law and order, but that la
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Originally posted by 23Sailfishquote:
Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. If its your private property, then someone should need permission from you to access it.
I usually agree with you. But consider this. You probably live in a subdivision of some sort. Pure speculation on my part there. But if the police want to come to your house for any reason, do you expect them to stop at the end of your driveway, call you on the phone, and ask your permission to walk up your private sidewalk and knock on your door?
Put this on a larger scale. I live on a fairly large tract of rural land, and I own it from the public road. It’s 1/2 mile from the road to my house, all of it private, with No Trespassing signs all the way down it. Never known it to keep the County sheriff dept. or the DNR from coming down it. OK with me. I’m not breaking any laws.
If you broke the law and got a ticket, suck it up. Who can you blame but yourself?
I don’t live in a subdivision, nor will I ever again.
If a police officer pulls up in my driveway and comes knocking on my door, he better have a good reason to be doing that. If you pull up in my drive way and come knock on my door, I expect you to have a good reason to do that too. I respect all LEOs, but you have to open your eyes and realize that we are living in a day and age where not all people have good intentions and some will abuse their power as much as people will allow it. Americans are slowly giving away
Another example of a sheep.
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Originally posted by 23SailfishAnother example of a sheep.
You broke the law and Im a sheep? Nah, that’s not how it works.
Supposed to have reflective tape on your shrimping poles too. GW was thinking about giving a buddy of mine a ticket for no reflective tape on his poles while he was shrimping in the middle of daylight hours. GW thought about how stupid it was and didn’t write the ticket. Reflective tape on the shrimping poles during daylight hours serves NO purpose. Laws have their purpose, but not all laws are perfect or infallible.
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Originally posted by 23Sailfishquote:
Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. If its your private property, then someone should need permission from you to access it.
I usually agree with you. But consider this. You probably live in a subdivision of some sort. Pure speculation on my part there. But if the police want to come to your house for any reason, do you expect them to stop at the end of your driveway, call you on the phone, and ask your permission to walk up your private sidewalk and knock on your door?
Put this on a larger scale. I live on a fairly large tract of rural land, and I own it from the public road. It’s 1/2 mile from the road to my house, all of it private, with No Trespassing signs all the way down it. Never known it to keep the County sheriff dept. or the DNR from coming down it. OK with me. I’m not breaking any laws.
If you broke the law and got a ticket, suck it up. Who can you blame but yourself?
I don’t live in a subdivision, nor will I ever again.
If a police officer pulls up in my driveway
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Originally posted by salty849quote:
Originally posted by 23SailfishAnother example of a sheep.
You broke the law and Im a sheep? Nah, that’s not how it works.
Please logically explain any rational for me to have my own name on my private property.
Just because it’s law doesn’t means it’s always logical. Skeeter posted a good example.
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Originally posted by salty849quote:
Originally posted by 23SailfishAnother example of a sheep.
You broke the law and Im a sheep? Nah, that’s not how it works.
Please logically explain any rational for me to have my own name on my private property.
Just because it’s law doesn’t means it’s always logical. Skeeter posted a good example.
Its required to know who the trap belongs to incase one gets pulled, if your not checking them daily as required, to make sure your licensed and legally allowed to trap the property, ect ect ect. It’s a simple rule really, I’ve got over 40 in my garage right now, all tagged ready to go, took about 10 minutes to tag all of them. I take it seriously, some don’t, im all for weeding out the folks that don’t.
quote:Yes, what you did was baiting. All bait has to be GONE for 10 days.
Originally posted by ReelShockOkay long story.
The sunflower field made very little. We bush hog Stripes through it busted some heads up and got some seed on the ground. We added about 30 pounds over 7 Acres to sweeten the pot.
On the 10th day after doing so we had a Dove shoot which I participated in.
The law enforcement officer wrote me a ticket for baiting a dove field. Another ticket for shooting over a baited the field.
The main character of this. I had to pay each of those fines in cash in the field immediately and plead guilty or the four other hunters in the field were to receive $475 tickets for hunting over a baited field.
In my book that’s extortion, strong arming…
Secondly, was anyone with you out of state? I’ve seen the “cash now” option when you have an out-of-stater because SC can’t make someone from Georgia pay their fine when they step back into Georgia, so they have to make them pony up when they can.
Also, it is a steep fine, but just remember, that the MAX penalty usually is something like 30 days in jail. In other words, it could be worse. In the grand scheme of things, he could have written everyone on the field tickets and collected a lot more cash, but it sounds like he gave you a “plea bargain” kind of… You paid on the spot and no reason to waste time in the court room. You could have always said, “no” and then collected tickets for everyone in the field and had your day in court, but the fact that you paid up suggests that you knew you were getting a “deal”…
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Originally posted by Cracker Larry [ They are welcome to come on my 80 acres,
So I guess you plant your weed on the neighbors property. [:0]
Just funnin Cracker.
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
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Originally posted by salty849Its required to know who the trap belongs to incase one gets pulled, if your not checking them daily as required, to make sure your licensed and legally allowed to trap the property, ect ect ect. It’s a simple rule really, I’ve got over 40 in my garage right now, all tagged ready to go, took about 10 minutes to tag all of them. I take it seriously, some don’t, im all for weeding out the folks that don’t.
I’m personally for less regulation on private land, not more.
It used to be that the government had no say so, now it has a tremendous amount to say about what you can and can’t do with your land. In thirty years, you’ll have to ask permission from the government to do anything to your own property. Its almost that bad now. You can’t even build a shed on your own property these days without getting permits. Remove a tree over 10", you better ask big brother first. I guess you don’t get it…too bad.
if a poacher places a trap on my property without a name , would I get fined?
What happened to the laws about probable cause and warrants with the DNR?
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Originally posted by Cracker Larry [ They are welcome to come on my 80 acres,
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So I guess you plant your weed on the neighbors property. Just funnin Cracker.
No, I grow it on mine 
And if they find it fair and square, so be it.
23SF, I agree with you completely on principle, and I assure you that I am not a sheep. But we also have to be realistic and accept that laws are what they are, and trying to fight against the Gov. is a losing battle. I’ve made friends with all our local DNR agents, and our local sheriffs deputies, and it makes life a lot easier for both of us. I’ve never had any instance with either agency that I considered unreasonable.
If I knowingly break a law and get caught, I’ve got to put on my big boy pants. Simple as that. I can’t change the laws, even the ones I don’t agree with.
I also know from experience that hiring a lawyer will cost more than paying the $475 fine:face_with_head_bandage:
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper