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Total crap
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Originally posted by scfisherman89Total crap
Why?
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23…because there are fact-resistant humans out there that actually believe the deer population is fine, and they want to keep killing 20 plus deer every season. Otherwise, there is no viable argument why we should not limit or protect our resources. At least we have input now. When the deer population gets too low, we will get laws and limits without our input, or the same people screaming for this not to pass will be begging for limits later. It worked for the redfish, it will work for deer. Better to have some say and input to he discussion now then have it crammed down our throats later.
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Originally posted by scfisherman89Total crap
Why?
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Yamaha 250 hp SHO
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What he said! ^^^^
Earn it everyday
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet.
The naysayers would rather keep it the way it is or have a perfect plan that makes everyone happy. Nothing ever happens that makes everyone happy. I have been in the USMC for 23 years. Everything that gets implemented does so in pieces, and most people grumble about it until it comes full circle. For example, admin related things used to be all handled at the unit level. Now, there is a consolidated center for all while a large portion is placed on the individual now through digital systems. PCS moves with handling your house hold goods is much the same way…do it yourself. None of it started off running perfectly. Adding limits or tags probably won’t start off perfectly either, but it is better than nothing or should I say “unlimited” bucks that most, including my Dad, take full advantage of every chance they get. Dad is a Pentecostal Holiness Preacher…never breaks the law. But, you can bet your last dollar if it is legal, he will shoot it dead even after he has already killed 15 or more deer in the same season. I cut him off from hunting my place. He only gets to hunt now under strict supervision. He used to kill plenty of deer on his own land, but now he can’t beg a deer to his corn pile. Guess he should have exercised a little bit of common sense and restraint when he had the chance. he does the same for fish. He can have one legal fish in the live well, and you can bet that one fish is going to the house…EVERY DANG TIME! He takes it because he can. There are plenty of people out there just like him, and most of them won’t admit it. I hate to say it, but the flounder and probably flounder gigging is go away some day too. There just are not as many flounder as there used to be in the river. I go a 4-5 times per year to get what a need and a few extras, I could legally fill up multiple freezers full if I wanted to do so. I hate it because I love it, but that one probably needs to put down to 10 flounder per person and eventually 5. If they rebounded, just like the redfish (the deer wi
I’m on the fence on this one, not because I kill 20+ deer a year (last year I killed 3) but because IMO, due to the major differences in deer populations from one county to the next, I don’t think it would be effective to have a straight across the board tag program in place. Yes, limiting certain areas to 5 deer may help the population in those areas increase, but others, the population is high enough that you may see an over population. Maybe it’s something we may need to try to see what happens and then modify as needed, but I have a strong doubt it will be effective. I do agree that it will put a damper on those greedy hunters who set out each season to kill as many as they can just for the sake of killing. Me personally, our meat intake is roughly 70% venison, so I pack the freezer and give some to friends who don’t hunt but want meat.
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That is about the only understandable thing I have read from any forum as well, but I still don’t see it as a hindrance to a limit or tags. People have grown so used to it being unlimited that a system looking like or similar to just about EVERY state in the nation is a huge deal to them. But, in the end, it is not going to pass as long as the farmers keep getting piles of tags during the summer and the hunter is stuck with a limit…can’t have a double standard. You are right, pit, all of it needs to be addressed, but something also needs to be done while there is a chance to do something meaningful. Again, it is not going to be perfect, but something is better than nothing.
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Originally posted by pitviper0404I’m on the fence on this one, not because I kill 20+ deer a year (last year I killed 3) but because IMO, due to the major differences in deer populations from one county to the next, I don’t think it would be effective to have a straight across the board tag program in place. Yes, limiting certain areas to 5 deer may help the population in those areas increase, but others, the population is high enough that you may see an over population. Maybe it’s something we may need to try to see what happens and then modify as needed, but I have a strong doubt it will be effective. I do agree that it will put a damper on those greedy hunters who set out each season to kill as many as they can just for the sake of killing. Me personally, our meat intake is roughly 70% venison, so I pack the freezer and give some to friends who don’t hunt but want meat.
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Originally posted by Skeeter22That is about the only understandable thing I have read from any forum as well, but I still don’t see it as a hindrance to a limit or tags. People have grown so used to it being unlimited that a system looking like or similar to just about EVERY state in the nation is a huge deal to them. But, in the end, it is not going to pass as long as the farmers keep getting piles of tags during the summer and the hunter is stuck with a limit…can’t have a double standard. You are right, pit, all of it needs to be addressed, but something also needs to be done while there is a chance to do something meaningful. Again, it is not going to be perfect, but something is better than nothing.
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Originally posted by pitviper0404I’m on the fence on this one, not because I kill 20+ deer a year (last year I killed 3) but because IMO, due to the major differences in deer populations from one county to the next, I don’t think it would be effective to have a straight across the board tag program in place. Yes, limiting certain areas to 5 deer may help the population in those areas increase, but others, the population is high enough that you may see an over population. Maybe it’s something we may need to try to see what happens and then modify as needed, but I have a strong doubt it will be effective. I do agree that it will put a damper on those greedy hunters who set out each season to kill as many as they can just for the sake of killing. Me personally, our meat intake is roughly 70% venison, so I pack the freezer and give some to friends who don’t hunt but want meat.
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I understand that completely, Salty. I’m not trying to frame it in that context either. it is just an example of a double standard that will come up and make controversy where there probably shouldn’t be any. However, at the same time, some, certainly not all, of those farmers are double dipping, sort of speaking. Where they get tags to protect their crops, but at the same time, they turn around and lease out the hunting rights of the property. In a discussion with the GW the other day, he runs into big problems with the farmers and their tags where the farmers shoot far more deer than they should as well…oops, that was a bad shot, where the farmer purposefully shot the deer in the gut or hams so it would die much later thereby extending his tags. So, they are not without fault either, Salty. Beating them back and protecting the crops is one thing. Exterminating is completely different, which does not end the discussion.
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Originally posted by Skeeter22That is about the only understandable thing I have read from any forum as well, but I still don’t see it as a hindrance to a limit or tags. People have grown so used to it being unlimited that a system looking like or similar to just about EVERY state in the nation is a huge deal to them. But, in the end, it is not going to pass as long as the farmers keep getting piles of tags during the summer and the hunter is stuck with a limit…can’t have a double standard. You are right, pit, all of it needs to be addressed, but something also needs to be done while there is a chance to do something meaningful. Again, it is not going to be perfect, but something is better than nothing.
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To have a tag system at all is a step in the right direction. After you get something implemented across the board, it can be tweaked accordingly but you have to start somewhere. I don’t see this tag system as anything but a win/win. First and foremost, it addresses the needs of the resource itself, second, by keeping the depredation permits and the ADQP, it addresses the needs of the farmer/land owner, and third, it still takes into account the recreational aspect of hunting.
Moves like this are always going to have “push back,” but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Sometimes, change is not only a good thing, it’s a necessity for the greater good.
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If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet.
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Originally posted by archerTo have a tag system at all is a step in the right direction. After you get something implemented across the board, it can be tweaked accordingly but you have to start somewhere. I don’t see this tag system as anything but a win/win. First and foremost, it addresses the needs of the resource itself, second, by keeping the depredation permits and the ADQP, it addresses the needs of the farmer/land owner, and third, it still takes into account the recreational aspect of hunting.
Moves like this are always going to have “push back,” but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Sometimes, change is not only a good thing, it’s a necessity for the greater good.
Earn it everyday
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet.
2012 Skeeter ZX22 Bay
Yamaha 250 hp SHO
Minnkota Riptide 101
I think the bag limit is about right, as long as we can still get depredation permits to keep it legal to protect a livelihood.
Actually the bag limit is quit generous, maybe too generous in some areas? What I think is off kilter is the fact that every study shows Coyotes as the biggest problem of our deer. Why not come up with a serious solution for killing the sorry critters? It’s not a single landowners problem, it’s everyone’s. We all need to do everything in our power to eradicate Coyotes. Poison is not the anserwn as it is indiscriminate. Trapping and then Killing them is the way to go… i think? Put fox back in the pens and bane coyotes.
Another problem I see is most modern hunters just want the trophy buck, and are not concerned with the meat from it, at least not for themselves. I think we need to let a few of the trophy bucks walk and concentrate on the scrub bucks and scrawny does. Let’s get some of the best genetics bred back into our herds.
I know the above is a dream of mine, but just imagine if every hunter did this for a few years… Don’t get me wrong, I had my days of shooting antlers and sometimes anything that was in front of the dogs if it was legal to do so. Those days are gone for me. I just love a few nanny’s or the meat from the trophy’s that my friends don’t want. I know I’m not the only one.
Heck I seldom shoot a deer unless asked to help on depredation hunts. I get my meat from those that just want the antlers.
We manage rather strictly on our property but there’s no way you can go from being a “brown and it’s down” state and jump straight into that kind of management. Besides, too many people use antlers as a management measuring stick and that’s just not a true measuring stick at all. These are usually the same coed that calls a spike a “cow horn” and/or a “cull buck.” These also the same people that say, incorrectly mind you, “once a spike, always a spike.”
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
Fred, those rascals are here to stay now. We can only hope to control their numbers from here on out. My father-in-law has one of those pens. It is only one good thunderstorm away from letting 50 or so coyotes on the loose. I hate it, but nothing we can do about it immediately. It is a money making thing with competitions.
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Originally posted by Fred67Actually the bag limit is quit generous, maybe too generous in some areas? What I think is off kilter is the fact that every study shows Coyotes as the biggest problem of our deer. Why not come up with a serious solution for killing the sorry critters? It’s not a single landowners problem, it’s everyone’s. We all need to do everything in our power to eradicate Coyotes. Poison is not the anserwn as it is indiscriminate. Trapping and then Killing them is the way to go… i think? Put fox back in the pens and bane coyotes.
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Yamaha 250 hp SHO
Minnkota Riptide 101
Yall misunderstood me apparently. Those attempts at limit regulations are crap.
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Originally posted by scfisherman89Yall misunderstood me apparently. Those attempts at limit regulations are crap.
ok, I’m game. why are they crap?
I’m for tagging all deer! But I believe hunters should have the option to buy additional tags if they plan to shoot more deer…another option would be “swapping” a coyote for an additional tag (create an incentive to shoot the rascals).
No one has explained how the tags will be enforced. Will DNR set up check stations? Will DNR camp out at or check coolers at processors? And what about these hunt clubs with their own walk-in coolers? My family tags our turkeys and does, but no one has ever stopped us to check.
Is there a belief the deer doggers are the force against the tags?