Today I had about a 150 mile trip over a few highways that I know pass thru or by dog hunting clubs. I counted 7 deer that had been hit by cars ( or trucks). My question is , do the dog clubs have any liability when they chase deer into the highways? This is very serious because people could get killed , not to mention the collision damage to cars. All of the dead deer, smashed up by cars, were along dog club areas that I know about. So - do we all pay for this damage thru higher insurance?
I saw 3 or 4 run over near the same spot last year. Deer stand visible from road with corn pile. Is that guy responsible?
Did he use some means to chase or force the deer into the highway? I think its one thing when the deer cross the road on their own - but something very different when a dog drive pushes deer into the road. Before the season opened , it was rare to see a smashed up deer on the road side. Now they are getting common.
I think most of the deer vs car accidents are at night.Also the deer are starting to move more this time of year.Seems like there would be more deer ran over in the QDM /still hunting areas just because there are more deer in these areas.
Yes corn was used as an enticement. I’m sure you have used that method before. How many dead dogs were seen on this same stretch of highway?
Actually I saw 1 dead dog near a club near Hampton SC along with a smashed up doe near by (50 yds). Corn can be used as an enticement , but corn didn’t force the deer into the road . Most still hunters don’t want traffic noise
I will clarify my question : If a dog drive pushes deer into a highway and causes an accident , are the hunters liable? Can you answer this directly without pointing a finger at another hunting method?
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Originally posted by flyinghighYes corn was used as an enticement. I’m sure you have used that method before.
You know something we should know about natureboy? And I have hit 3 in the past 2 years (none influenced by hunting of any sort) , as well as put 50k on my company truck running around the country side of SC in farm country, and I can bet there is very little correlation between dog hunting and deer vs. car incidents. Nice try though. I would also bet that without hunters the car vs. deer accident rate would increase tremendously.
I was a guest at a club that set up a drive that pushed the deer from the interior of the club onto hwy 301 and an accident happened. the members quickly retreated to the clubhouse . I , and another guest were told that if I wanted to come back, I should keep my mouth shut. I didn’t and called the DNR.
I dislike dog hunting as much as anyone, but I don’t believe they are causing accidents. Just my opinion. I assume most roadkill deer occurs outside of legal hunting times.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
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Originally posted by salty849quote:
Originally posted by flyinghighYes corn was used as an enticement. I’m sure you have used that method before.
I would also bet that without hunters the car vs. deer accident rate would increase tremendously.
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Ok then to answer your question , no I do not think dog driving causes deer vs. car accidents. What happened when you called end? Did they fine the club or the deer for jaywalking?
When I called DNR , the officer was near by, and yes - the club was fined and the paper company disbanded the club. The paper companies don’t want any issues The DNR said that the club was warned several times before that the drive must not be toward the roadway. I this case I’m pretty certain that method of hunting caused the accident. To me , its insanity to think that driving deer toward a busy highway is safe. When I travel down a SC highway and see standers with shotguns ready on the roadside, they are not playing safe. Your crack about citing a deer driven by dogs into a busy road for jaywalking is indicative of the problems with dogging in SC
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Originally posted by salty849quote:
Originally posted by flyinghighYes corn was used as an enticement. I’m sure you have used that method before.
I would also bet that without hunters the car vs. deer accident rate would increase tremendously.
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Yep.
I still believe our deer population is too large and more need to be taken. Got back from the races last Friday and counted 38 in a recently planted plot. I think many people tend to forget that deer are a more nocturnal animal and I’d dare say 95% or more are killed after sundown and before legal sunrise by cars.
With dog hunters, I’m more scared of inexperienced/rash hunters standing the roadside shooting me or someone else, than hitting a deer. I personally think that no stander should be any closer than 100yards (or more) from any public road.
We have laws about hunting within 300 yds of a residence, , there should be laws about driving deer toward a busy highway, and how close a stander can be to a highway. No matter, just like we are responsible for any damage our wakes cause on the water, we are responsible for our actions when hunting.
About our deer population, we have a lopsided buck to doe ratio in most of SC. I can remember when I was young, killing a doe was the worst thing you could do, but to control the population, taking out does are key
I use to dog hunt back in the day. Only still hunt now. With all hunting you have no control over where the deer go. As far as that club getting fined and losing their lease? There are always a few that can mess it up for the rest, or at least cause outcry! Just my opinion of course!
Natureboy , while we are discussing changing laws how do you feel about the unlawfulness of baiting hogs and deer on WMA land?
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Originally posted by flyinghighNatureboy , while we are discussing changing laws how do you feel about the unlawfulness of baiting hogs and deer on WMA land?
While illegal, it doesn’t endanger innocent travelers lives.
Neither does dog driving.
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Originally posted by flyinghighNeither does dog driving.
That’s true unless your driving deer toward a major 4 lane highway like 301 near Allendale.
301 south of orangeburg is a ghost town dude. That’s the least busy 4 lane Highway in the state.