First and foremost, Santee Cooper has a responsibility to supply power to the state of SC. Grass and hydrilla will hinder that in a big way. If you don’t have electricity, then you won’t be worried about the grass and hydrilla. They have to control it, end of discussion.
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Mr/Ms Poke Salad, so much to learn and understand
an ecosystem is complex, one thing we know for sure, it’s been exhaustively studied, researched and analyzed (does that make one happy?), is that non-native species like Hydrilla are a problem, it was introduced in SC in the 1970’s, it expanded rapidly and “out competed” the native plant species that ducks, fish and other wildlife prefer
initially it helped the fish population but as it expanded it reduced the fish population, science has proven that removal or aggressive control of non-native species allows the native plants to flourish, and in the long run that is better for the ecosystem
plant growth, like hydrilla and aquatic grasses, explode in shallow water areas, why - great substrate, food and sunlight
but, and here is the part you’re missing, it dies, when it dies it decomposes and virtually all of the oxygen in the water is consumed, fish need plenty of oxygen, so the weed that protects some of the fish during part of the year kills them all
it’s a federally listed noxious weed and it’s on the SC Noxious Weed Act list, Hydrilla is illegal to possess, import or distribute in SC, one could read Title 46 Chapter 23 of the Noxious Weed Act, or Title 49 Chapter 6 of the Aquatic Plant Management Act if they wanted to actually know the facts, or they could just keep yammering on
next subject please 
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This touches on a real good problem,
Proof. Well you could steal millions of dollars, say you are doing “science” and still complain because you can’t steal enough money to do what you and only you think is THE “scientific” research…
OR
Oh wow hang for this one… Look around, you have tons and tons of birds that eat small fish in an environment of shallow water. Do you think that thinning the birds may change the fish numbers? DO you think having an org managing this event who is tracking this could stop it from becoming a wipe out? Look I understand that the liberal education being spoon fed out will only get you so far but (**() is there no common sense left? none anywhere?
I know nobody likes to see hunting or harvesting of any animal. Come on we would have to be those stinky ill acting crass insensitive asses that were now as men, well before they were nurtured…
quote:
Originally posted by Blueskyguyit’s about balance, when one or more species are allowed to populate (as with Galapagos) or overpopulate as with the cormorants then there is a problem, in some cases if there are no natural predators then man becomes the control factor, to not control the resource would be irresponsible
when the problem is large enough it’s an acceptable practice to begin the control efforts and to use scientific methods to monitor the results
True, I cringe to think about what the lionfish will do in the next ten, twenty, or thirty years off our coast… Its amazing how one species can create such a change in an environment.
Tangent, sorry. Back to nasty birds.
Redfish Baron Extraordinaire
quote:Stop dancing around the subject.No scientific study has been done on Santee Cooper lakes regarding Comorants .Im quite baffled that you claim to be a marine biologist,yet you base a decision on voodoo science ,and that you are satisfied with those results.
Originally posted by BlueskyguyMr/Ms Poke Salad, so much to learn and understand
an ecosystem is complex, one thing we know for sure, it’s been exhaustively studied, researched and analyzed (does that make one happy?), is that non-native species like Hydrilla are a problem, it was introduced in SC in the 1970’s, it expanded rapidly and “out competed” the native plant species that ducks, fish and other wildlife prefer
initially it helped the fish population but as it expanded it reduced the fish population, science has proven that removal or aggressive control of non-native species allows the native plants to flourish, and in the long run that is better for the ecosystem
plant growth, like hydrilla and aquatic grasses, explode in shallow water areas, why - great substrate, food and sunlight
but, and here is the part you’re missing, it dies, when it dies it decomposes and virtually all of the oxygen in the water is consumed, fish need plenty of oxygen, so the weed that protects some of the fish during part of the year kills them all
it’s a federally listed noxious weed and it’s on the SC Noxious Weed Act list, Hydrilla is illegal to possess, import or distribute in SC, one could read Title 46 Chapter 23 of the Noxious Weed Act, or Title 49 Chapter 6 of the Aquatic Plant Management Act if they wanted to actually know the facts, or they could just keep yammering on
next subject please
Pioneer 197SF
Aquatic vegetation is removed ,the health of the lakes is compromised ,bottom line.Comorants are being blamed
Well, if the US fish and wildlife service says they are a problem, then maybe they might just be a problem…
Kill em all. Maybe there’s some sort of use for cormorant beaks in Chinese medicine.
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To Whom it May Concern…I don’t need a scientific study to tell me it’s raining when I’m standing outside and getting wet. Fish farms and other aquaculture ventures on the Mississippi Delta have been fighting cormorants for decades. They are invasive and destructive there, and now they are invasive and destructive here. Rats infest NYC, and Nutria are ruining the La. coastline. Fire ants destroy pastureland, and Armadillos undermine building foundations. Etc., Etc., Etc. Politics is money and money rules the day. Get over it. You can’t negotiate with a rat, winged or otherwise, so we kill them. Put a bounty on them if necessary. Good riddance.
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quote:
Originally posted by bossdog1To Whom it May Concern…I don’t need a scientific study to tell me it’s raining when I’m standing outside and getting wet. Fish farms and other aquaculture ventures on the Mississippi Delta have been fighting cormorants for decades. They are invasive and destructive there, and now they are invasive and destructive here. Rats infest NYC, and Nutria are ruining the La. coastline. Fire ants destroy pastureland, and Armadillos undermine building foundations. Etc., Etc., Etc. Politics is money and money rules the day. Get over it. You can’t negotiate with a rat, winged or otherwise, so we kill them. Put a bounty on them if necessary. Good riddance.
Sol Mate
Mako 20B
225 Optimax
I wish there was a bounty, even if it were only enough to cover the steel shot I used…
I believe Poke said something about them being a native bird, I was under the impression they were not native to the area, but I could be wrong.
I have a few that sit on my dock and eat and crap… those will be the first to go, I can promise that!!
They have been around the low country marshes all my life, never in enough numbers to be a problem. I know nothing of Santee Cooper.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
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They’ve always been around Santee Cooper lakes in the 35 years I’ve been around, just not until recently in the huge #s that we have now.
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quote:
Originally posted by poke saladquote:Stop dancing around the subject.No scientific study has been done on Santee Cooper lakes regarding Comorants .Im quite baffled that you claim to be a marine biologist,yet you base a decision on voodoo scie
Originally posted by BlueskyguyMr/Ms Poke Salad, so much to learn and understand
an ecosystem is complex, one thing we know for sure, it’s been exhaustively studied, researched and analyzed (does that make one happy?), is that non-native species like Hydrilla are a problem, it was introduced in SC in the 1970’s, it expanded rapidly and “out competed” the native plant species that ducks, fish and other wildlife prefer
initially it helped the fish population but as it expanded it reduced the fish population, science has proven that removal or aggressive control of non-native species allows the native plants to flourish, and in the long run that is better for the ecosystem
plant growth, like hydrilla and aquatic grasses, explode in shallow water areas, why - great substrate, food and sunlight
but, and here is the part you’re missing, it dies, when it dies it decomposes and virtually all of the oxygen in the water is consumed, fish need plenty of oxygen, so the weed that protects some of the fish during part of the year kills them all
it’s a federally listed noxious weed and it’s on the SC Noxious Weed Act list, Hydrilla is illegal to possess, import or distribute in SC, one could read Title 46 Chapter 23 of the Noxious Weed Act, or Title 49 Chapter 6 of the Aquatic Plant Management Act if they wanted to actually know the facts, or they could just keep yammering on
next subject please
Pioneer 197SF
One scientific study was done regarding the comorants on Santee-Cooper in 2006 or 08,in a severe drought.How is that information useful today?
A marine biologist should require a scientific study before making a decision.How you can make one here without a current study is hard to understand.
How many birds are currently on Santee Cooper lakes?
What is the exact fish comorants are eating?
How many fish are comorants eating?
Are comorants on all areas of the Santee Cooper Lakes?
What is the species of fish that’s being eaten on Santee Cooper Lakes by comorants?
How many predator fish are in the Santee Cooper Lakes?
How many fish do osprey,eagles,and herons consume vs. comorants?
A marine biologist should have no problem finding those answers,when you can answer all of them,I will be satisfied.
Strange how many other marine biologist people I talk to agree that DNR was bullied into making a season without a scientific study,and that one should have been done.
Poke, science aside, how about common sense. Have you seen the cormorant population on that lake? Some times common sense is the best science. I just don’t understand your outcry over the cormorant.
Do you defend coyotes the same way?
< Evil is simply the absence of God >
Save the armadillos
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
We should probably start killing off big fish too. I hear they eat a lot of little fish, which therefore decreases the big fish population, which therefore decreases the spawning population, which therefore decreases the little fish population, which therefore decreases the b…oh man
quote:You "hear" they eat a lot?
Originally posted by EdistodanielWe should probably start killing off big fish too. I hear they eat a lot of little fish, which therefore decreases the big fish population, which therefore decreases the spawning population, which therefore decreases the little fish population, which therefore decreases the b…oh man
How many is that?
Don’t question my scientific method!
Ok poke answer us all this. Do you think thinning out some
Over populated cormorants is a bad idea ?
< Evil is simply the absence of God >
quote:Yes,that is what I believe at this time.
Originally posted by Fred67Ok poke answer us all this. Do you think thinning out some
Over populated cormorants is a bad idea ?< Evil is simply the absence of God >
Show me some recent data that proves comorants are overpopulated and that they are depleting the fish stocks on Santee Cooper Lakes.If recent scientific data came out today,and proved that comorants are detrimental to the SanteeCooper Lakes,I would not have one problem with the season at all.
Thats why I like fishing offshore birds mean FISH