Ok poke answer us all this. Do you think thinning out some
Over populated cormorants is a bad idea ?
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Yes,that is what I believe at this time.
Show me some recent data that proves comorants are overpopulated and that they are depleting the fish stocks on Santee Cooper Lakes.If recent scientific data came out today,and proved that comorants are detrimental to the SanteeCooper Lakes,I would not have one problem with the season at all.
Fare enough, thanks for your answer. One more question, have you actually seen the number of cormorants taken last year and still seen the number of them left on the lake? I just don’t understand your concern over them.
I take you major argument is over the “science” of it. The same Science that put global warming as humanity threatening. Now we have climate change, which I agree in. We are coming out of an Ice age. We had a poster on here blaming tree deaths in our coastal plains from salt water intrusion on man made global warming, so funny. Just the natural process of barrier islands and our constantly changing coast line.
I was stationed up North for awhile and the State had a bounty on flicker tail’s. There was no “scientific” evidence, but none was needed to see the damage they did. I really enjoyed shooting those little bastards. Something about youth and killing stuff. Testosterone? Maybe estrogen?, cause we had a few ladies that went with us on weekend hunts.
<~~~~ Now taling donations of steel shot to help “RELOCATE” cormorants to a place where they are less likely to cause havoc…
another reason why I believe the season is asinine,one has to fire steel shot,and there is no use for the kill.wanton waste is what that is.
How much is a box of steel shot? $20
First, it is not a “Season”, Second, it all depends on what kind you get. I wouldn’t say there was no use for the kill, my Garden did quite well last year with Cormorant fertalizer…
I don’t remember how they termed it, but they make it clear that it is not a “season”… Cormorants fall under the federal migratory bird act and the depreadation has to follow federal guidelines. Since this is on a as needed basis, and they are not classified as a game bird, it is not a season.
The following copied from the minutes from a SCDNR meeting on 10/8/2013 (found online):
"CORMORANT REMOVAL PROGRAM ON SANTEE COOPER LAKES: Derrell Shipes, Chief, Statewide Projects, distributed draft copies of DNR?s cormorant removal program (copy attached to the original minutes).
Mr. Shipes stated cormorants are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and are not classified as game birds. Additionally, there is no season prescribed for taking them. Their removal can only occur after a determination they are causing damage to private or public resources. The USFWS provides the authority to issue cormorant depredation permits to individuals when the birds are causing such damage.
Mr. Shipes reported DNR has determined that wintering, migrant cormorants are damaging public resources on the Santee Cooper Lakes. DNR has also determined the USFWS will allow members of the public to remove cormorants from the lakes by issuing conditional permits to individuals. Mr. Shipes outlined the process of obtaining a permit and conditions that will be associated with each permit issued. Mr. Shipes reported the period for taking cormorants under these permits will be February 2, 2014 through March 31, 2014."
If you know the average diet of an adult cormorant and a rough population of cormorants on the lake, then you should be able to figure out the annual consumption of “small fish” on the lake. If we know how many acres the lake encompasses and what a healthy population of “small fish” is per acre, and if we knew anything about the reproduction of the baitfish on the lake, then it seems that we could get a pretty good ballpark estimate as to if there are too many cormorants on the lake…
I don’t remember how they termed it, but they make it clear that it is not a “season”… Cormorants fall under the federal migratory bird act and the depreadation has to follow federal guidelines. Since this is on a as needed basis, and they are not classified as a game bird, it is not a season.
The following copied from the minutes from a SCDNR meeting on 10/8/2013 (found online):
"CORMORANT REMOVAL PROGRAM ON SANTEE COOPER LAKES: Derrell Shipes, Chief, Statewide Projects, distributed draft copies of DNR?s cormorant removal program (copy attached to the original minutes).
Mr. Shipes stated cormorants are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and are not classified as game birds. Additionally, there is no season prescribed for taking them. Their removal can only occur after a determination they are causing damage to private or public resources. The USFWS provides the authority to issue cormorant depredation permits to individuals when the birds are causing such damage.
Mr. Shipes reported DNR has determined that wintering, migrant cormorants are damaging public resources on the Santee Cooper Lakes. DNR has also determined the USFWS will allow members of the public to remove cormorants from the lakes by issuing conditional permits to individuals. Mr. Shipes outlined the process of obtaining a permit and conditions that will be associated with each permit issued. Mr. Shipes reported the period for taking cormorants under these permits will be February 2, 2014 through March 31, 2014."
If you know the average diet of an adult cormorant and a rough population of cormorants on the lake, then you should be able to figure out the annual consumption of “small fish” on the lake. If we know how many acres the lake encompasses and what a healthy population of “small fish” is per acre, and if we knew anything about the reproduction of the baitfish on the lake, then it seems that we could get a pretty good ballpark estimate as to if there are too many cormorants on the lake…
you are correct sir
Clemson and USC have worked with DNR in the past on all kinds of studies,why not study this and give some scientific evidence?
I don’t remember how they termed it, but they make it clear that it is not a “season”… Cormorants fall under the federal migratory bird act and the depreadation has to follow federal guidelines. Since this is on a as needed basis, and they are not classified as a game bird, it is not a season.
The following copied from the minutes from a SCDNR meeting on 10/8/2013 (found online):
"CORMORANT REMOVAL PROGRAM ON SANTEE COOPER LAKES: Derrell Shipes, Chief, Statewide Projects, distributed draft copies of DNR?s cormorant removal program (copy attached to the original minutes).
Mr. Shipes stated cormorants are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and are not classified as game birds. Additionally, there is no season prescribed for taking them. Their removal can only occur after a determination they are causing damage to private or public resources. The USFWS provides the authority to issue cormorant depredation permits to individuals when the birds are causing such damage.
Mr. Shipes reported DNR has determined that wintering, migrant cormorants are damaging public resources on the Santee Cooper Lakes. DNR has also determined the USFWS will allow members of the public to remove cormorants from the lakes by issuing conditional permits to individuals. Mr. Shipes outlined the process of obtaining a permit and conditions that will be associated with each permit issued. Mr. Shipes reported the period for taking cormorants under these permits will be February 2, 2014 through March 31, 2014."
If you know the average diet of an adult cormorant and a rough population of cormorants on the lake, then you should be able to figure out the annual consumption of “small fish” on the lake. If we know how many acres the lake encompasses and what a healthy population of “small fish” is per acre, and if we knew anything about the reproduction of the baitfish on the lake, then it seems that we could get a pretty good ballpark estimate as to if there are too many cormorants on the lake…
you are correct sir
Clemson and USC have worked with DNR in the past on all kinds of studies,why not study this and give some scientific evidence?</font id=“red”>
How do you know they haven’t? I feel pretty confident that someone didn’t just pop up and say there are too many of these birds out there, we should start killing them for no reason.
Usually DNR talks to DNR’s in other states and have some pretty good guidance and best practices. We do know that scientists are not engineers. They aren’t meant to engineer solutions to problems. They are meant to observe and report. That being said, DNR is pretty good job about using “best practices” to manage our resources. The federal government sits around and waits on “science” (at least that is what they call it). The “science” is usually almost always debatable, but the “best practices” seem to always work. SCDNR has done a pretty dynamite job with the resources they manage, so why call them into question when they have a pretty great track record?
Mr.Fred, I mentioned the shell cost simply because I feel its asinine to spend nearly $20/box, to try and kill something that is non-edible.
asinine=absurd, ludicrous, silly, ridiculous…
No it is not. Hell I shoot ant nests for the fun of it. Lot’s of people spend much more to shoot “clay pigeons” isn’t that asinine=absurd, ludicrous, silly, ridiculous…
As to shooting something that is non-edible, aren’t you for killing coyotes??? I guess you eat them.
