Out of all this, I will not hesitate to use what weapon is at hand knowing what’s behind the target. My first is the Glock .40, second is an old mossburg 500 and lastly the wife’s .357 revolver. I rely on 3 full size dogs to alert in the yard and one not so full size in the house that would bark at a mouse fart.
My biggest concern is not dealing with a justified killing, but dealing with the law and public after the deed. Look at what Zimmerman has gone through. I think he should be given a medal while some think he should be crucified.
“Gun’s don’t kill people, it’s mostly the Bullets”
What’s the Boston’s Gun Bible? I have and uncle that was a lifer marine and taught urban CQB among other things.
Get a shorter 12ga. Unless you train and work with a handgun on a regular basis, the chances of you being accurate and in complete control of it in a home type situation are slim and none, with slim on his way out the door. Having a long gun you have more control, power and longer sight radius to aim. A .410 or 20ga with shot are more effective than your Glock .45 with 20 rounds. I have bunches of handguns, I’m still going to try for one of my shotguns first.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
m A handgun has one purpose, to buy you time to get to a long-gun.
We are talking about home defense? I don’t understand that logic.
“Gun’s don’t kill people, it’s mostly the Bullets”
Me either. You may not believe me, but as one singer once said “It aint bragging if you can back it up”. I can make consistent 6" groups @ 100 yards with open sites with my brother’s .44. He can keep it down to 2" groups.
Salty, I’m unclear on your post. I was issued a .38 revolver (not my choice) while on an arctic recovery team. Yea I had a “long gun” too but the hand gun was for up close and personal, which would be consistent with home defense.
What would really upset me is if it was a youth that broke into my house, not for the youth, but for his/her parents. No matter what, all bad ass stuff aside, if there is one thing on this post that should sink in everyone’s head that wants to shoot a criminal… Let there be one side to the story. And remember the most dangerous animal on this Earth is a wounded Human</font id=“red”>. Let a criminal that you have shot for what ever reason live and you WILL have a lawsuit on your hands. No matter how justified the shooting. And you run a high risk of loosing in a civil suit… unless you have a lot of money to spend.
I can’t imagine how it would feel to be in Sell’s shoes but having been the victim of a violent crime I can assure you that is not a good feeling either. That being said if the situation ever arises again I will defend my family with everything I have.
I can’t imagine how it would feel to be in Sell’s shoes but having been the victim of a violent crime I can assure you that is not a good feeling either. That being said if the situation ever arises again I will defend my family with everything I have.
Same here, Curly… It wasn’t fun having a gun pointed in my face, but I can tell you this… I wouldn’t have had once ounce of hurt for the punk had we evened the tables and I got to the shotgun. That turkey shot would have painted the yard red. I’m just thankful to God that my 7-month preggo wife didn’t pull up 3 minutes sooner or else I would have had to get physical and risk getting shot.
I pray no one breaks into my home while I’m here… I don’t know how I would react, how accurate I would be, whether I would get shot or they would get shot… But, I can guarantee you this… I stand a far better chance of a good outcome since I’m armed and capable to defend from a distance.
I would hope the bright red little dot bouncing off the floor and walls would make them think twice… If anything it will make the cat go into frantic spaz mode and who wants to fight a laser-crazed cat?*
m A handgun has one purpose, to buy you time to get to a long-gun.
We are talking about home defense? I don’t understand that logic.
“Gun’s don’t kill people, it’s mostly the Bullets”
Me either. You may not believe me, but as one singer once said “It aint bragging if you can back it up”. I can make consistent 6" groups @ 100 yards with open sites with my brother’s .44. He can keep it down to 2" groups.
Salty, I’m unclear on your post. I was issued a .38 revolver (not my choice) while on an arctic recovery team. Yea I had a “long gun” too but the hand gun was for up close and personal, which would be consistent with home defense.
What would really upset me is if it was a youth that broke into my house, not for the youth, but for his/her parents. No matter what, all bad ass stuff aside, if there is one thing on this post that should sink in everyone’s head that wants to shoot a criminal… Let there be one side to the story. And remember the most dangerous animal on this Earth is a wounded Human</font id=“red”>. Let a criminal that you have shot for what ever reason live and you WILL have a lawsuit on your hands. No matter how justified the shooting. And you run a high risk of loosing in a civil suit… unless you have a lot of money to s
What’s the Boston’s Gun Bible? I have and uncle that was a lifer marine and taught urban CQB among other things.
Get a shorter 12ga. Unless you train and work with a handgun on a regular basis, the chances of you being accurate and in complete control of it in a home type situation are slim and none, with slim on his way out the door. Having a long gun you have more control, power and longer sight radius to aim. A .410 or 20ga with shot are more effective than your Glock .45 with 20 rounds. I have bunches of handguns, I’m still going to try for one of my shotguns first.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
It's literature obviously :smiley:...
Sounds like a bit of a generalization, and a lot of assumptions about how it might all go down. While I would agree that if you are at a distance the long gun would be the best option, in your home, there might be areas of close quarters where a long gun is not your best option. If you are looking in the wrong direction when the criminal comes around the corner, you might just not be able to swing a long gun around fast enough. Or what if you open up your bedroom door and he is standing just out of view, but close enough to grab the barrel as soon as your gun comes through? Fail again…
And again, I don’t sleep with a shotgun within arms reach and I don’t plan on it for the obvious reason that I don’t want to freak out guests and put children in danger when they come to visit. Also, I disagree with the amount of training it takes for a hand gun as anot
And to the trigger happy, just be careful what you are shooting at… I know of a friend whose sister-in-law got pretty wasted one night, caught a ride home, and the next morning woke up on the neighbor’s couch by accident (oops, wrong house!!!). That could have taken a pretty bad direction if they shot first and asked questions later.
Also for those who think that the 5 round shotgun is the end-all-be all, don’t forget that society is pretty fragile nowadays. One major disaster, and you might be looking at a gang of 6-8 thugs walking around door to door to do some looting. Hope you can reload fast!!! Each gun is a tool. Use the right one for the job…
I agree, Skinnee… One can never fully be prepared for what may go down. I just hope and pray that it never happens, but if it does, I will be prepared for distant and close intruders. It’s easy to get caught up in the glamour of being a home hero and fantasize about the situation, the gun being employed, the outcome being all yours to gloat upon, but I just would rather it not happen. Unfortunately, given the fragile society you referred to, I am forced to think about it and be cautious.
m A handgun has one purpose, to buy you time to get to a long-gun.
We are talking about home defense? I don’t understand that logic.
“Gun’s don’t kill people, it’s mostly the Bullets”
Me either. You may not believe me, but as one singer once said “It aint bragging if you can back it up”. I can make consistent 6" groups @ 100 yards with open sites with my brother’s .44. He can keep it down to 2" groups.
Salty, I’m unclear on your post. I was issued a .38 revolver (not my choice) while on an arctic recovery team. Yea I had a “long gun” too but the hand gun was for up close and personal, which would be consistent with home defense.
What would really upset me is if it was a youth that broke into my house, not for the youth, but for his/her parents. No matter what, all bad ass stuff aside, if there is one thing on this post that should sink in everyone’s head that wants to shoot a criminal… Let there be one side to the story. And remember the most dangerous animal on this Earth is a wounded Human</font id=“red”>. Let a criminal that you have shot for what ever reason live and you WILL h
Unless you train and work with a handgun on a regular basis, the chances of you being accurate and in complete control of it in a home type situation are slim and none, with slim on his way out the door. Having a long gun you have more control, power and longer sight radius to aim. A .410 or 20ga with shot are more effective than your Glock .45 with 20 rounds. I have bunches of handguns, I’m still going to try for one of my shotguns first.
I was kind of hoping all the posters were taking training and weapon familiarity into count. If you take that out the picture, a base ball bat would be better.
I don’t agree with you that a .410 is going to be better than a .45 with 20 rounds. I don’t disagree that a shotgun is a potent weapon, but better than a .45 with 20 rounds… I’ll take my .45 with only 7 rounds and a few extra clips over that .410.
I’m not saying that a handgun is not effective in the hands of someone that practices and trains with it. I’m saying that it has one purpose, to get to a long gun and more defensible position/room in the house. Most people are better served with a long gun of some sort for HD.
I am saying that 90% of the yahoos that go out and buy a handgun aren’t proficient or even mediocre with them and the operation. They buy them, shoot 20 rounds and call themselves experts. Most of them are poor to pathetic in the operation, maneuvering, problem solving and skill. They buy automatics with high capacities because the salesman pushes it or they saw “Insert Movie Hero” carry it when they would be better off with a revolver and pump or double gun. Those people present a bigger danger to their family and themselves. I’ve shot handguns for quite some time. I shot competitively with revolvers and autos and wouldn’t venture a guess at the number of rounds through a 1911, 57, 29, 66 or 92 I’ve shot, I’m proficient to say the least but I’m still working back to a defensive position and my long gun.
My first concern would be to get my wife and kids safely stashed behind me. My second would be to make sure I had a good position of cover that offered the best angle of defense. The stuff in the house isn’t so much a concern at the point as my loved ones are.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Also for those who think that the 5 round shotgun is the end-all-be all, don’t forget that society is pretty fragile nowadays. One major disaster, and you might be looking at a gang of 6-8 thugs walking around door to door to do some looting. Hope you can reload fast!!! Each gun is a tool. Use the right one for the job…
Also for those who think that the 5 round shotgun is the end-all-be all, don’t forget that society is pretty fragile nowadays. One major disaster, and you might be looking at a gang of 6-8 thugs walking around door to door to do some looting. Hope you can reload fast!!! Each gun is a tool. Use the right one for the job…
a gang of 6-8 thugs?
Yeah, happens all the time in a natural disaster. Do you have a problem with the number or the description of would-be robbers?
Also for those who think that the 5 round shotgun is the end-all-be all, don’t forget that society is pretty fragile nowadays. One major disaster, and you might be looking at a gang of 6-8 thugs walking around door to door to do some looting. Hope you can reload fast!!! Each gun is a tool. Use the right one for the job…
a gang of 6-8 thugs?
Yeah, happens all the time in a natural disaster. Do you have a problem with the number or the description of would-be robbers?
I’m not saying that a handgun is not effective in the hands of someone that practices and trains with it. I’m saying that it has one purpose, to get to a long gun and more defensible position/room in the house. Most people are better served with a long gun of some sort for HD.
I am saying that 90% of the yahoos that go out and buy a handgun aren’t proficient or even mediocre with them and the operation. They buy them, shoot 20 rounds and call themselves experts. Most of them are poor to pathetic in the operation, maneuvering, problem solving and skill. They buy automatics with high capacities because the salesman pushes it or they saw “Insert Movie Hero” carry it when they would be better off with a revolver and pump or double gun. Those people present a bigger danger to their family and themselves. I’ve shot handguns for quite some time. I shot competitively with revolvers and autos and wouldn’t venture a guess at the number of rounds through a 1911, 57, 29, 66 or 92 I’ve shot, I’m proficient to say the least but I’m still working back to a defensive position and my long gun.
My first concern would be to get my wife and kids safely stashed behind me. My second would be to make sure I had a good position of cover that offered the best angle of defense. The stuff in the house isn’t so much a concern at the point as my loved ones are.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass, I just didn’t understand your logic. You’ve explained it and I can agree with you
I’m not saying that a handgun is not effective in the hands of someone that practices and trains with it. I’m saying that it has one purpose, to get to a long gun and more defensible position/room in the house. Most people are better served with a long gun of some sort for HD.
I am saying that 90% of the yahoos that go out and buy a handgun aren’t proficient or even mediocre with them and the operation. They buy them, shoot 20 rounds and call themselves experts. Most of them are poor to pathetic in the operation, maneuvering, problem solving and skill. They buy automatics with high capacities because the salesman pushes it or they saw “Insert Movie Hero” carry it when they would be better off with a revolver and pump or double gun. Those people present a bigger danger to their family and themselves. I’ve shot handguns for quite some time. I shot competitively with revolvers and autos and wouldn’t venture a guess at the number of rounds through a 1911, 57, 29, 66 or 92 I’ve shot, I’m proficient to say the least but I’m still working back to a defensive position and my long gun.
My first concern would be to get my wife and kids safely stashed behind me. My second would be to make sure I had a good position of cover that offered the best angle of defense. The stuff in the house isn’t so much a concern at the point as my loved ones are.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
