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Originally posted by leadenwahboyquote:
Originally posted by RealfinIf they are not accurate, DNR needs to stop making them available.
They are “accurate enough” until the sun shrinks them. That’s the only issue here.
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
Wow, 2 pages on measuring a fish, lol. If you have found the tape to shrink, it must be built into the DNR sticker calculations as your borderline fish shrink once put on ice.
Cold causes shrinkage. I know about that.
NN
I’m pretty much fed up with dnr, and this is the kind of bull that has made me that way.
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Originally posted by DoubleNquote:
Originally posted by leadenwahboyquote:
Originally posted by RealfinIf they are not accurate, DNR needs to stop making them available.
They are “accurate enough” until the sun shrinks them. That’s the only issue here.
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
Wow, 2 pages on measuring a fish, lol. If you have found the tape to shrink, it must be built into the DNR sticker calculations as your borderline fish shrink once put on ice.
Cold causes shrinkage. I know about that.
NN
http://www.saltwaternow.com/shrinkage1.html
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
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Originally posted by RealfinI’m pretty much fed up with dnr, and this is the kind of bull that has made me that way.
This has nothing to do with DNR. They have provided you with a reference to HELP you keep from getting a ticket…for FREE. They can’t produce $25 bump boards for everyone. They know they shrink, and is the reason they put the “for reference only” statement on there and also one of the reasons they print a new sticker for you for FREE every year. And you can take 20 of them if you choose to.
You can have animosity to them all you want for all kinds of reasons, but if this is one of them, I’m afraid it’s a bit unfounded and your anger is misplaced.
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
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Originally posted by seaoxMight want to to read what it say in your first picture under saltwater "informational purposes only ". Mr. green shorts won’t be using one to measure your fish.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>An inch is an inch, a foot is a foot regardless of how it is measured. It doesn’t matter what a fish is measured with (tape measure, bump board, cooler lid, a stick with a notch carved in it, etc.) as long as it is accurate. Yes, DNR will have the “official” measuring device, but if you use something that is accurate, you’ll be OK.
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Originally posted by ReeldawgThat sticker will change in the heat and sun.
That decal ruler had been in the sun most of the day when the pictures were taken. I just can’t believe that it will change much, but I will do more checks and post the results.
My personal opinion on these decal rulers is that the inaccuracy comes from the installation of them, not the temperature. They are, after all, some sort of vinyl. It will stretch if it is pulled hard enough when installing.
I have confidence in the accuracy of my decal ruler. That being said, I don’t keep fish that are THAT close to being illegal.
-The size of a fish is directly proportional to the time between when it’s lost and the story is told. - Me
-What’s the best eating fish, you ask? I’ve found that for a lot people, its the ones that they happen to be able to catch, clean, and cook. - My Dad (1/13/37 - 9/27/16 I love you Pops)
-Until you have loved a dog, part of your soul remains unawakened. Anatole France (paraphrased)
-RIP my “Puppy Dog” 10/15/2004 - 1/14/2013. I’ll never forge
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Originally posted by DoubleNquote:
Originally posted by leadenwahboyThey are “accurate enough” until the sun shrinks them. That’s the only issue here.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Wow, 2 pages on measuring a fish, lol. If you have found the tape to shrink, it must be built into the DNR sticker calculations as your borderline fish shrink once put on ice.
Cold causes shrinkage. I know about that.
NN
Yes, and as a general rule, heat causes expansion, except for when it dries something out. I just wasn’t sure if I wanted to tackle that topic or not and derail this thread.
-The size of a fish is directly proportional to the time between when it’s lost and the story is told. - Me
-What’s the best eating fish, you ask? I’ve found that for a lot people, its the ones that they happen to be able to catch, clean, and cook. - My Dad (1/13/37 - 9/27/16 I love you Pops)
-Until you have loved a dog, part of your soul remains unawakened. Anatole France (paraphrased)
-RIP my “Puppy Dog” 10/15/2004 - 1/14/2013. I’ll never forget him. What a special friend he was.
-Team Gonna Fish
Not trying to argu here. If your not gonna keep a fish close to the limit then it doesn’t matter. If you are then I would get a measurement tape. DNR DOES NOT USE THAT STICKER TO MEASUR YOUR FISH.
Look at the stickers on most car windows. You can clearly see they shrink. Plus. That sticker is very long. You can stretch it when you put it on.
THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION DOES NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING EXCEPT TO POINT OUT HOW PETTY DNR CAN BE. A QUARTER INCH OVER OR UNDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONSERVATION OF FISH, WHICH, IF YOU DIDN’T KNOW IT, SHOULD BE THE GOAL OF DNR. IF THE ONLY VIOLATIONS THEY CAN FIND IS WHETHER A TROUT IS UNDER 1/4 INCH, DEPENDING ON WHICH RULER IS USED, THEY NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER LINE OF WORK. AND BE NICE ABOUT IT.
So, if the limit is 15" but my fish is 14.75" DNR should let me go? There are standards for a reason and their job is to enforce said standards. Contrary to popular belief, they are not “out to get you”. I usually do not keep a fish unless it is at least .25" OVER the minimum and, I use the DNR ruler. I checked the one on my boat and the ones on my kayaks. They match up perfectly with my Stanley tape measure.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”, but really, who cares?
Come on DF! The DNR is a government agency so we all know they’re out to get us. With the overwhelming number of Game Wardens/DNR LEO’s behind every tree and palm frond in SC, you know they’re just itching to write us a ticket and get our money. And of course we should be allowed to break the rules! We know better than they do! (to be read with exaggerated levels of sarcasm)
God bless the “ignore” function.
I ALSO DO NOT KEEP FISH THAT ARE WITHIN 1/4" OF THE LIMIT, BUT THAT’S NOT MY POINT. IF A PERSON IS NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY ALLOWANCE FOR EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN HE OR SHE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BE A GAME WARDEN.
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DF, if a state trooper stopped you on a country road and fined you a coupla hundred dollars for doing 57 in a 55 mph zone, would you not question his arrest?
Bang, I have been in my share of arguments, and I have never known sarcasm to win a serious one. In fact, it only seemed to offend the other party. But I get your drift.
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Originally posted by RealfinI ALSO DO NOT KEEP FISH THAT ARE WITHIN 1/4" OF THE LIMIT, BUT THAT’S NOT MY POINT. IF A PERSON IS NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY ALLOWANCE FOR EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN HE OR SHE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BE A GAME WARDEN.
I couldn’t agree with you more, although I’ve also been in a situation where I got a ticket for something that was a technicality…on my land…where DNR trespassed to find me doing something not in accordance with the law. I’ve dealt with great DNR guys and also a couple of idiots. Yeah, I said it. Most DNR guys are great and care for the resource. Its those few idiots who think that DNR is a tax collection agency for catching people doing something so minute and charging them ridiculous fines that a it would cause a logical mind to explode.
Its the same way I feel about cops hiding and ticketing people for going a few miles over the speed limit when it drops from 45 to 35 and they haven’t slowed all the way down yet. Go catch someone that’s doing something dangerous or is knowingly breaking the law and leave the average guy alone.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
The police and DNR LEO’s don’t make the laws. They’re tasked with enforcing them. If you have a problem with the “punishment” (fines and such) contact your elected official because they’re the ones that came up with/approved them. I admittedly have a lead foot and I’ve earned every speeding ticket I’ve ever received in my life and at no time was it the ticketing officer’s fault that I was speeding. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
23, Did you fight the trespassers in court when you were caught doing something not in accordance with the law (I like that one)? If the evidence/proof in question was obtained illegally (trespassing) then it wouldn’t have been admissible in court, unless they had probably cause.
Sorry fellas, but the only people I’ve ever met that had an issue with LE were people that found themselves on the wrong side of the law. Funny thing is, they still think they were victimized.
God bless the “ignore” function.
Bang, I had to smile when I read your last sentence, because I agree with you. However, I have never gotten a ticket from a game warden - not even a warning - but I can cite you a half dozen examples when the warden was just a jerk. It seems to be worse along the coast. Maybe they just don’t know people they deal with personally.
But wardens are the least of my complaints. It is an attitude of holier than thou that pervades to the top ranks where the average (primarily) salt water fisherman is completely un-educated and has no say-so in decisions effecting management. Calling my representatives who don’t hunt or fish is not a fix.
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Originally posted by bangstick23, Did you fight the trespassers in court when you were caught doing something not in accordance with the law (I like that one)? If the evidence/proof in question was obtained illegally (trespassing) then it wouldn’t have been admissible in court, unless they had probably cause.
My technicality on MY land was that I didn’t have my name on my traps on MY land where no one is allowed. They trespassed and dug up my traps and called me and told me I needed my name on the traps. They had my number ready because I’d been complaining about a nearby dog club every week for running dogs illegally on my property. Of course you can guess who was life long friends with a bunch of the scum dog drivers… I got tickets. They never did. I’ll never call DNR again. They’ve never done anything positive for me. Ever. You wonder why people don’t like DNR. It’s because of experiences like this.
The judge told me DNR is above the trespassing law and they don’t require a warrant to search you or your land. They can go anywhere they choose.
Hence, my problem with my local DNR.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
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Originally posted by 23Sailfishquote:
Originally posted by bangstick23, Did you fight the trespassers in court when you were caught doing something not in accordance with the law (I like that one)? If the evidence/proof in question was obtained illegally (trespassing) then it wouldn’t have been admissible in court, unless they had probably cause.
My technicality on MY land was that I didn’t have my name on my traps on MY land where no one is allowed. They trespassed and dug up my traps and called me and told me I needed my name on the traps. They had my number ready because I’d been complaining about a nearby dog club every week for running dogs illegally on my property. Of course you can guess who was life long friends with a bunch of the scum dog drivers… I got tickets. They never did. I’ll never call DNR again. They’ve never done anything positive for me. Ever. You wonder why people don’t like DNR. It’s because of experiences like this.
The judge told me DNR is above the trespassing law and they don’t require a warrant to search you or your land. They can go anywhere they choose.
</font id=“red”>Hence, my problem with my local DNR.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
I get what you’re saying, especially about the apparent relationship with the doggers, but like it or not, that is the fact. The DNR does not need YOUR permission to come on to YOUR land. Not very popular with me either b
Just because it’s law doesn’t mean it’s right… we have plenty of stupid laws that a logical person would disagree with.
I’m personally for less government… But that’s a discussion for another time. And I work directly with the government on a daily basis. Regardless, I paid my fine even though I didn’t agree with it. I’m a law abiding citizen.
I often times wonder what truly great men, like our grandfathers before us who fought for this country in great wars, would think about today’s law enforcement coming on their land to hassle them. I doubt it would end well.
“Another poon dream splintered on the rocks of reality.” --Peepod 07-25-2017
I totally agree. There are tons of laws out there that were designed for the “few” as opposed to the “many,” but they are still the law and if we break them, we pay the price. Can’t be mad at those tasked with enforcing them though. They’re simply doing their job the swore to do. I’m not for “big government” either but I’m also not suspicious of every little thing they do. I pay attention, but I’m not building armadillo shell helmets lined with tinfoil.
Personally, my grandfather and my father blame today’s “stupid laws” on the “stupid people” that caused their creation. Like I said, laws are created because of the ignorant few, not the commonsensical many. I’m an admitted “boy scout” when it comes to game and fish laws so I’m probably not the right guy to be discussing this particular topic with. I acknowledge there are Richard Craniums within the ranks of all LE, but I also believe they are the exception and not the rule. I trust LE. I trust the DNR and its biologists. I’ve never had a reason not to. Call me what you will, but I do trust them.
God bless the “ignore” function.
