NCAA Lawsuit

General Sports
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From ESPN:

The lawsuit names the NCAA and the five largest conferences (the Southeastern, Big Ten, Pacific-12, Atlantic Coast and Big 12) as defendants and effectively asks for an end to NCAA-style amateurism.

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Originally posted by SirSpear
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Originally posted by Fishb8

first, I think are over reaching that every D1 anything
second, why is the lawsuit against the big boys of the NCAA. Not ALL of them. Not even ALL D1 schools.
third, the price of each scholarship has a different monetary value. NOT FIXED

You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right? The point here – which is patently obvious – is that the schools have all agreed not to openly compete for players by making cash payments.

I get that you don’t like this and think it will ruin college football. I’m not sure you’re wrong on that point. But I don’t see how you can’t admit that college football is a BUSINESS and the various employers in literally any other business in America would get smacked down in a heartbeat if they engaged in the same collusion to artificially control market prices.

What is the difference in cash value, that you will accept as outside of "fixed?

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Originally posted by Fishb8

From ESPN:

The lawsuit names the NCAA and the five largest conferences (the Southeastern, Big Ten, Pacific-12, Atlantic Coast and Big 12) as defendants and effectively asks for an end to NCAA-style amateurism.

From the actual lawsuit:

WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs pray for judgment with respect to their Complaint as follows:

  1. Declaring that Defendants? rules and agreements that prohibit, cap or otherwise limit remuneration and benefits to players in the Football Class or the Basketball Class for their athletic services to member institutions violate Section 1 of the Sherman Act, and enjoining said rules as they apply to those class members;

  2. Enjoining the Defendants from restraining any Defendant member institution from negotiating, offering, or providing remuneration to members of the Football Class and members of the Basketball Class in compensation for their services as athletes;

The lawsuit defines the classes as only encompassing FBS football players and d1 mens basketball players.

  1. The class represented by the Football Plaintiffs is comprised of any and all NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (?FBS?) football players who, at any time from the date of this Complaint through the date of the final judgment, or the date of the resolution of any appeals therefrom, whichever is later, received or will receive a written offer for a full grant-in-aid as defined in NCAA Bylaw 15.02.5, or who received or will receive such a full grant-in-aid (the ?Football Class?).

  2. The class represented by the Basketball Plaintiffs is comprised of any and all NCAA Division I men?s basketball players who, at any time from the date of this Complaint through the date of the final judgment, or the date of the resolution of any appeals therefrom, whichever is late

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huh?

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Fancy lawyer talk. Someone will end up getting a bunch of $$$$$. We all know who that is.

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

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What is the difference in cash value, that you will accept as outside of "fixed???

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Originally posted by Fishb8

What is the difference in cash value, that you will accept as outside of "fixed???

I literally don’t understand your question.

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Originally posted by Fishb8

huh?

I thought you were asking about who the lawsuit applied to. That excerpt from the actual complaint – not an ESPN summary – makes it clear the lawsuit is about division 1 FBS football players and division 1 mens basketball players.

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From the actual complaint. It sounded like all D1 players were the plaintiffs. But I really don’t know.

You said:
“You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right?”

Yes I do. But at what point would consider it not “fixed”. If 1 kid get $30k more than others? $40k?

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Originally posted by Fishb8

From the actual complaint. It sounded like all D1 players were the plaintiffs. But I really don’t know.

You said:
“You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right?”

Yes I do. But at what point would consider it not “fixed”. If 1 kid get $30k more than others? $40k?

It’s not about the actual results, it’s about the process. For example, most gas stations in similar geographic areas sell gas for about the same price. That’s what happens when open competition controls.

Now I would hope we would agree that Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips, and every producer of gas couldn’t openly agree that they will price their gas no lower than $15 a gallon starting tomorrow. So even if they could charge more, and it might vary, surely you would agree that is still price fixing?

Likewise, just because they actually compete and all end up selling gas at about the same price, that doesn’t mean they are colluding – that’s just open competition at work.

The problem here is that Alabama can’t say to a five-star running back, “Come here and we’ll give you full tuition and $10,000 a semester.”

Why not? Well let’s be honest, no good reason really. If that’s what the going rate is for a player of his skills, why shouldn’t he get paid? Who are you to tell someone they only deserve a scholarship? That’s messed up.

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Originally posted by SirSpear
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Originally posted by Fishb8

From the actual complaint. It sounded like all D1 players were the plaintiffs. But I really don’t know.

You said:
“You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right?”

Yes I do. But at what point would consider it not “fixed”. If 1 kid get $30k more than others? $40k?

It’s not about the actual results, it’s about the process. For example, most gas stations in similar geographic areas sell gas for about the same price. That’s what happens when open competition controls.

Now I would hope we would agree that Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips, and every producer of gas couldn’t openly agree that they will price their gas no lower than $15 a gallon starting tomorrow. So even if they could charge more, and it might vary, surely you would agree that is still price fixing?

Likewise, just because they actually compete and all end up selling gas at about the same price, that doesn’t mean they are colluding – that’s just open competition at work.

The problem here is that Alabama can’t say to a five-star running back, “Come here and we’ll give you full tuition and $10,000 a semester.”

Why not? Well let’s be honest, no good reason really. If that’s what the going rate is for a player of his skills, why shouldn’t he get paid? Who are you to tell someone they only deserve a scholarship? That’s messed up.

The university…Just like your employer is the one that tell you, you only deserve $50k. Even if the company down the street will give you $60k.

Professional sports have sa

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Originally posted by Fishb8
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Originally posted by SirSpear
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Originally posted by Fishb8

From the actual complaint. It sounded like all D1 players were the plaintiffs. But I really don’t know.

You said:
“You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right?”

Yes I do. But at what point would consider it not “fixed”. If 1 kid get $30k more than others? $40k?

It’s not about the actual results, it’s about the process. For example, most gas stations in similar geographic areas sell gas for about the same price. That’s what happens when open competition controls.

Now I would hope we would agree that Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips, and every producer of gas couldn’t openly agree that they will price their gas no lower than $15 a gallon starting tomorrow. So even if they could charge more, and it might vary, surely you would agree that is still price fixing?

Likewise, just because they actually compete and all end up selling gas at about the same price, that doesn’t mean they are colluding – that’s just open competition at work.

The problem here is that Alabama can’t say to a five-star running back, “Come here and we’ll give you full tuition and $10,000 a semester.”

Why not? Well let’s be honest, no good reason really. If that’s what the going rate is for a player of his skills, why shouldn’t he get paid? Who are you to tell someone they only deserve a scholarship? That’s messed up.

The universit

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Just my thoughts on this. I think they will start cutting the teams back to 50 players and if you want to play you will earn it. You will play both side of the ball. Hell, if I am going to teach you to be a pro and make millions you are going to have to pay me back. How many players can go from High school to the pro and make it. Really, none I think can. Maybe a few. I think it will come down to contracts and getting paid for playing college ball, but you will also be paying the colleges back, for them making you the player that you are. The only people losing out is the other 30 plays who had a chance to show there talent, but who could not make the cut at the time. I believe all players now a day think they are great and are being used by the colleges, but if the colleges, did not help to build there body’s up and make there name, by recruiting where would they be.