Well this is interesting: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/10620388/anti-trust-claim-filed-jeffrey-kessler-challenges-ncaa-amateur-model
And the lawsuit isn’t being filed by some random hack looking to make a name for himself either: http://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/attorneys/kessler-jeffrey-l.html
That’s a top flight firm, and the guy’s credentials are pretty impressive. I’m curious to see how this one plays out.
This will ruin college football as we know it. If it succeeds. I dont think it will. Schools are not required to be a part of the NCAA. Just as they are not required to a part of the SEC, ACC… Player are compensated with a scholarship and stipends now.
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Originally posted by Fishb8This will ruin college football as we know it. If it succeeds. I dont think it will. Schools are not required to be a part of the NCAA. Just as they are not required to a part of the SEC, ACC… Player are compensated with a scholarship and stipends now.
I think that’s the whole point of the lawsuit. The schools collude to provide only a scholarship, when it’s pretty obvious that a free-market system would result in substantially different compensation for players. Basically, colleges are colluding to control player compensation in what essentially amounts to a for-profit sports league with no viable alternative.
I can see it now, kids signed to an NFL farm team straight out of high school just like baseball.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
No one forced these kids to play ball. They can decide to not accept the terms
I have come up with this.
kid gets free education and the school get money from them playing a sport.
kid works for a company, gets paid $50k a year. kid develops the next big app. Company makes $50 million from the app.
whats the difference?
One thing to remember about the kid in school. he gets free advertising of his talent. He gets on the job training from some of the best in the world.
Kid can also get Knee blown out and never walk right again! SCHOOL PAY FOR THAT? No, they just cut his free ride 
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Originally posted by Fishb8I have come up with this.
kid gets free education and the school get money from them playing a sport.kid works for a company, gets paid $50k a year. kid develops the next big app. Company makes $50 million from the app.
whats the difference?
One thing to remember about the kid in school. he gets free advertising of his talent. He gets on the job training from some of the best in the world.
How is that even remotely the same? An actually analogous situation would be if Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, etc… all conspired to not pay any software engineers more than $50k a year in order to keep labor costs artificially depressed and make more profits for the company. Which is obviously illegal.
No one objects to a for-profit enterprise making money off of employees (that’s how they function). What people object to is that the employees aren’t compensated by fair, open competition between market participants.
Name one other profession where an employer can’t outbid a competitor for your services.
I guess I just don’t see how anyone can conclude that the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement. If that isn’t price fixing, then what is?
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Originally posted by EasyKid can also get Knee blown out and never walk right again! SCHOOL PAY FOR THAT? No, they just cut his free ride
Part time employee?
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Originally posted by SirSpearI guess I just don’t see how anyone can conclude that the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement. If that isn’t price fixing, then what is?
Every college scholarship is worth different amounts, it is not fixed a a monetary value. USC is different than Clemson, Miami, UGA… you get it.
And again, No one is making them accept a scholarship…
If you want to act like it is a business, then the employee is compensated for their work. And the company reaps the benefits.
Who do you work for? Successful business give employees bonuses for high levels of production, you’re allowed to leave for a better job (non-compete contract have to pertain to a certain area), better employees are paid more…
The business you’re making up for your metaphor doesn’t exist.
the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement.
False premise. Players get an education (it’s available, anyway), and they get to play whatever in exchange. It’s is not player compensation (that’s against the rules), but rather what the suit wants out of it. As for getting hurt, I got run over by a keeper and had a separated shoulder, I paid nothing for the operation and rehab even though I was a senior - it’s called insurance! I know there will be a lot fewer athletic teams across the country if this suit prevails. And some of those will be pretty big schools when the taxpayers find out what it’s costing them so Rashid can get in a couple of years playing time before moving on up. If the NFL/NBA/Whatever Sport wants a training league, let 'em pay for it like baseball and the NBA do, and skip the pretense of education involvement … 
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Originally posted by SirSpearI guess I just don’t see how anyone can conclude that the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement. If that isn’t price fixing, then what is?
Every college scholarship is worth different amounts, it is not fixed a a monetary value. USC is different than Clemson, Miami, UGA… you get it.
And again, No one is making them accept a scholarship…
If you want to act like it is a business, then the employee is compensated for their work. And the company reaps the benefits.
You can’t seriously deny college football is a business.
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Originally posted by SirSpearI guess I just don’t see how anyone can conclude that the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement. If that isn’t price fixing, then what is?
Every college scholarship is worth different amounts, it is not fixed a a monetary value. USC is different than Clemson, Miami, UGA… you get it.
And again, No one is making them accept a scholarship…
If you want to act like it is a business, then the employee is compensated for their work. And the company reaps the benefits.
You can’t seriously deny college football is a business.
That is my point. It is no different than any other business. You get compensated for your work. and the company benefits from it.
Edistodaniel. Millions of companies do not give bonuses. And these kids CAN go somewhere else. They can transfer, they can leave early for the NFL, NBA, MLB
The kid is getting a free education that the rest of the students on campus have to pay for if they don’t have full ride scholarships. That is their compensation, a free service that others pay for. It’s not difficult to see the dynamic, the have to perform and give a service for that education, ie compensation. Quid pro quo.
(**() democrats thinking this **** up will ruin everything, just like the health care system.
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Originally posted by Fishb8quote:
Originally posted by SirSpearI guess I just don’t see how anyone can conclude that the arrangement under the NCAA rules to cap player compensation at a full scholarship is not a price fixing agreement. If that isn’t price fixing, then what is?
Every college scholarship is worth different amounts, it is not fixed a a monetary value. USC is different than Clemson, Miami, UGA… you get it.
And again, No one is making them accept a scholarship…
If you want to act like it is a business, then the employee is compensated for their work. And the company reaps the benefits.
You can’t seriously deny college football is a business.
That is my point. It is no different than any other business. You get compensated for your work. and the company benefits from it.
Edistodaniel. Millions of companies do not give bonuses. And these kids CAN go somewhere else. They can transfer, they can leave early for the NFL, NBA, MLB
Right, but in every other line of business companies have to openly compete for employees. Every single D1 football program has openly collu
first, I think are over reaching that every D1 anything
second, why is the lawsuit against the big boys of the NCAA. Not ALL of them. Not even ALL D1 schools.
third, the price of each scholarship has a different monetary value. NOT FIXED
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Originally posted by Fishb8first, I think are over reaching that every D1 anything
second, why is the lawsuit against the big boys of the NCAA. Not ALL of them. Not even ALL D1 schools.
third, the price of each scholarship has a different monetary value. NOT FIXED
You do understand that price fixing doesn’t have to be the exact same amount, right? The point here – which is patently obvious – is that the schools have all agreed not to openly compete for players by making cash payments.
I get that you don’t like this and think it will ruin college football. I’m not sure you’re wrong on that point. But I don’t see how you can’t admit that college football is a BUSINESS and the various employers in literally any other business in America would get smacked down in a heartbeat if they engaged in the same collusion to artificially control market prices.
The lawsuit is applies to all d1 FBS schools in men’s football and men’s basketball. I think there is a reasonable argument that those are the only businesses being run in college athletics (nothing else makes money in aggregate).