Used to use a compass and speedometer, right? Then, you had a box that timed radio signals, right? Then, you had Sellsfish to buy spots from, right? Or you could trade phin for some of those stolen Thunderstar numbers or some such that used to be said by those who called bottom fishing a filler sport.
Got news for you, though. It’s only a filler sport to people who don’t know how to read a sonar or who can’t afford what I’m about to show you.
I thought we had everything off SC, but I was wrong. I’ve been using the new cMor chips each trip and finding new stuff everywhere. I always try to tell people to go to an area they know live bottom is in and just use the sonar because fish are everywhere. Sometimes I’m bad at following my own advice, but these new cMor maps make it fun again. You basically are guaranteed of what structure is somewhere before you get there. You can also understand why you find tuna and wahoo (or bait really) where you have, and then find more based on what you can see in the coverage areas.
Anyhow, I know some people who have this already will be mad at me like we’re all mad at Sellsfish for selling numbers, but my feeling is that in 5-6 years, this stuff will be pretty much standard on every plotter, so why not get a head start on everyone else. At the same time, when you learn to use your sonar and learn to think about what fish are doing and what presentation and gear is best for them, it doesn’t matter who has “numbers” or charts.
The only reason I’m posting this is really because I’ve met the guys who put the work in to make all this data usable by us, and we’ve talked a lot about fishing and the industry, etc. I chose to help other small companies with word of mouth. I don’t get paid anything, I don’t get any favors. It’s just someone helping another small business that was started in somebody’s house as a dream and deserves to be successful. If you have any questions about the NC or SC cards, I will do my best to answer. I’ve got both because the cut off for them is between Fr
Secrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.
Also, if “numbers” are obsolete, I’ll send you my email address so you can share your book with me. You don’t need them anymore.
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Originally posted by skinneejSecrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.
Also, if “numbers” are obsolete, I’ll send you my email address so you can share your book with me. You don’t need them anymore.
You’re saying it’s a secret that our fishery is spread over a couple million acres acres with 4M population in the entire state vs 2000 acres of live bottom in S FL within 5 miles of the boat ramp with a population of 10M people within 30 mins drive from the boat ramp?
Whether you think it’s secrecy or dispersion AND lack of pressure, my point is still that the cMor chip is more valuable than “numbers.”
cMor doesn’t show you where other people are guaranteed to have pressured fish within the last 2 decades, I guess that’s one reason you might still want me to email you a book. Email me a check or some cash. We’ll see what happens, but I can promise you it will cost more than a cMor card!
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Phin, you’re officially on notice!
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Originally posted by skinneejSecrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.
Also, if “numbers” are obsolete, I’ll send you my email address so you can share your book with me. You don’t need them anymore.
Skinnee, you really believe that secrecy and people not sharing a few numbers of some hot spots it the reason our fishery is so great? I’ve fished Florida, maybe even some of the same areas as yourself. I don’t think secrecy is the answer. Florida has miles of coast and much more Water access than S.C. and tons more boats on the water. In S.C. the “mosquito” fleet can’t get far enough out to our productive bottom areas and we don’t have enough that can to do harm. Now if you are just focusing on the “secret” numbers that someone gives out and that’s the only area that gets fished, I can see a small area getting overfished. Florida’s fishery is nothing like our fishery.
This almost reminds me of those that post about inshore fishing being bad while others are having good success. Different people fishing in different areas using different techniques.
Much more to fish Science than keeping things secret, how about a hot spot that all of a sudden gets frequented by “mary lee” or something else? I’d put down a large bet that if someone was inclined to take a week and do nothing but scout our Offshore coast the amount of New Secret spots would be staggering.
quote:No. Actually I said nothing like that.
Originally posted by Phinquote:You're saying it's a secret that our fishery is spread over a couple million acres acres with 4M population in the entire state vs 2000 acres of live bottom in S FL within 5 miles of the boat ramp with a population of 10M people within 30 mins drive from the boat ramp?
Originally posted by skinneejSecrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.
Also, if “numbers” are obsolete, I’ll send you my email address so you can share your book with me. You don’t need them anymore.
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Whether you think it's secrecy or dispersion AND lack of pressure, my point is still that the cMor chip is more valuable than "numbers."
I am not arguing against that. My point is that the more “cMor” we have out there, the worse our fishery will become. But if “numbers are obsolete”, then you don’t need them anymore and you shouldn’t have any issue lighting a match to your book or mailing them to me for safe keeping.
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cMor doesn't show you where other people are guaranteed to have pressured fish within the last 2 decades, I guess that's one reason you might still want me to email you a book. Em
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Originally posted by Fred67Skinnee, you really believe that secrecy and people not sharing a few numbers of some hot spots it the reason our fishery is so great?
You kind of inserted as “straw man” in there. So, I will dissect this question in the two parts that it was presented. Yes, I think that secrecy is (among other variables) is a leading indicator of how good a fishery will be for a harvest\kill fishery. This all falls under the category of “accessibility”. If something is highly accessible it’s going to see more pressure. Highly accessible can mean (close to coast, public knowledge, etc). Secrecy is not the ONLY variable as we have discussed, but it’s a MAJOR variable.
As far as “sharing a few spots”. This is not my argument. If a few guys share a few spots, this is NOT the same level of “public knowledge” from someone releasing this information to the masses. If a few people share a few spots, then the fishery is still largely full of “secret” locations.
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I've fished Florida, maybe even some of the same areas as yourself. I don't think secrecy is the answer. Florida has miles of coast and much more Water access than S.C. and tons more boats on the water. In S.C. the "mosquito" fleet can't get far enough out to our productive bottom areas and we don't have enough that can to do harm. Now if you are just focusing on the "secret" numbers that someone gives out and that's the only area that gets fished, I can see a small area getting overfished. Florida's fishery is nothing like our fishery.
First of all, let’s clarify “Florida”. I’m specifically referring to the ex
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Skint knee, I honestly haven’t been fishing “spots” as it were the last 3-4 trips. I’ve used the cMor to look for and find new spots. It doesn’t take as long than being in the blind. cMor costs less than a tiagra 80 that people go out and buy 4 of now-a-days because they think they need that and some 150 dollar high speed lures to catch wahoo, but people don’t know what they don’t know… just like people might have never paid Sellsfish $500 for some numbers in the past, until he takes their boat to a few of them and shows them the groceries.
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Coverage area doesn’t seem that great yet…is more coming?
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Originally posted by skinneejPhin. The great promoter! We know that’s the only objective here.
Already abandoning the argument and going ad-hominem?
You normally have more stamina than this. You’ve gotten soft in old age?
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quote:I already won the argument. I thought that part was clear. And you already admitted to being a promoter of the product here: "It's just someone helping another small business"
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Originally posted by skinneejPhin. The great promoter! We know that’s the only objective here.
Already abandoning the argument and going ad-hominem?
You normally have more stamina than this. You’ve gotten soft in old age?
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Originally posted by skinneej[quote]Originally posted by Fred67
You are speculating.
Even look at the poster children of DNR reefs (Area 51 and Area 53). These were “SECRET” reefs that gave marine biologist proverbial woodies for almost TWO DECADES. Again, nothing special about them in terms of access, depth, location, other than… want to guess? SECRECY… What happened when a handful of people found out about them? They SCRAMBLED to make them in to MPA’s\No Fishing zones. Digest that for a moment on how good a secret can be…
And you are not speculating? I know an argument with you is very hard to do, because you can not be wrong on much of anything. Just a fact not meant to start anything more in a disrespectful way, it’s just your nature. The Lack of Secrecy did not ruin South Florida’s fishing. OVer pressure did and is.
Area 51 was a small secret for a lot of people, of course the fishing improved and still is improving, they put an oasis in a barren desert. I’d like to see many more area “51’s” off our coast. I’d also like to see more sharks taken as food, more ARS taken home, smaller size limits and higher creel numbers on BSB, a program to decimate Lion fish, a couple of headboats back on shem creek, … maybe even some well maintained off shore wells.
You sarcastically use “secret” when describing area 51… dude area 51 was not a secret to a LOT of people for a long time right from the beginning. 
Funny thing is way back when it first started we never went to it because we had too many other places closer that gave us all we could handle.
Yes Fred, you are right. I’m not wrong because of my nature. And that nature is to do a lot of research/homework before I get into a debate like this.
No need to buy anything, all that data is available free.It is all derived from NOS,NMFS,NOAA and SCDNR studies.Inshore is hi resolution offshore is lo resolution.
It covers less than 10% of the fishable areas in SC and NC.
You can save spots on the free software before leaving as running with your simrad zoomed in enough to see distinct spots mean you drive by other stuff.
All the toys in the world though wont tell you what fish hold where at what time of year,what baits they like there and how they like them presented.
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Originally posted by skinneejYes Fred, you are right. I’m not wrong because of my nature. And that nature is to do a lot of research/homework before I get into a debate like this.
So your research has pinpointed Florida’s poor bottom fishing to lack of Secrecy? Come on. How does one research Secret spots being given out?
Does anyone have any obsolete Randolph S. numbers they can pm me ?
quote:You didn't read anything I wrote, did you?
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Originally posted by skinneejYes Fred, you are right. I’m not wrong because of my nature. And that nature is to do a lot of research/homework before I get into a debate like this.
So your research has pinpointed Florida’s poor bottom fishing to lack of Secrecy? Come on.
quote:What\who is "Randolph"? Funny thing is that I think I do have some numbers called "Randolph", but don't know the history behind it.
Originally posted by smanDoes anyone have any obsolete Randolph S. numbers they can pm me ?