Seems like with all the time Skinnee spent getting wrapped around the prop here that folks would realize how valuable this info is.
Correct, 10 years ago, you could view this data on your PC, if it had enough RAM, with a nice GIS program (which cost more than cMor). Correct, you can make points and then load them into your plotter, just like craps unique. It doesn’t tell you what you need to know though. What you need to know is what the bottom is doing so that you go into that area, use your sonar, and then employ the high level techniques Sellsfish has taught you!
“Correct, 10 years ago, you could view this data on your PC, if it had enough RAM, with a nice GIS program (which cost more than cMor).”
Nope and nope.ARCGIS and other GIS software is free or cheap and can be run on Android,Apple and Windows machines,phones and tablets.Data is free and easily downloadable
The more extensive but lower resolution data is pretty useless in any case except to see bigger relief trolling areas.
I used to do what you said about entering single numbers but with a hundred dollar GPS enabled tablet you can have all CMORs data from Maine to Alaska on one machine.I use a Lenovo flex laptop and use Andren Seamarks loaded with 40 years of East Coast stuff of mine and stuff I’ve traded for or bought including the Maps Unique which covers the 90%+ areas CMOR doesn’t.
I don’t begrudge the CMOR,StrikeLines or FMT/ISLA guys their due but any 6th grader can get all that data free except for the stuff StrikeLines or FMT actually scans themselves.
And I reiterate that the money spent on those charts is far better spent on a Garmin sidescan so you can scan where you fish and not be boxed into an area every conehead with a few bucks will be hammering.
Seems like with all the time Skinnee spent getting wrapped around the prop here that folks would realize how valuable this info is.
Well, like you said, our numbers are obsolete now.
I’m glad the coverage here is poor… I don’t see the point of telling everyone on the internetz how and where to catch every last fish, and then weeks later complaining about how someone from Ohio got too close to you on the reef. Sure, you say you have to know what to do when you get there, but you typically like to post that stuff too. You won’t be happy until everyone on the east coast is out there fishing your grouper spots. It’s odd to me how much information someone will put out for a few feel good “atta boys”, but to each his own I guess…
Don’t get me wrong… I share a lot of knowledge… But it’s typically with people that I meet face to face. Maybe I’m just old school like that.
Seems like with all the time Skinnee spent getting wrapped around the prop here that folks would realize how valuable this info is.
Well, like you said, our numbers are obsolete now.
I’m glad the coverage here is poor… I don’t see the point of telling everyone on the internetz how and where to catch every last fish, and then weeks later complaining about how someone from Ohio got too close to you on the reef. Sure, you say you have to know what to do when you get there, but you typically like to post that stuff too. You won’t be happy until everyone on the east coast is out there fishing your grouper spots. It’s odd to me how much information someone will put out for a few feel good “atta boys”, but to each his own I guess…
Don’t get me wrong… I share a lot of knowledge… But it’s typically with people that I meet face to face. Maybe I’m just old school like that.
Fortunately we have DNR to handle “Tragedy of the Commons” through strong regulations and enforcement. Just look at how much better our overall Hunting in the low country is. [ Pretty much anyone that cares to take a Deer, dove, Turkey, hog, goose, duck, rabbit, squirrel, can to so at will because of regulations and strong management practices and enforcement.
Fortunately we have DNR to handle “Tragedy of the Commons” through strong regulations and enforcement. Just look at how much better our overall Hunting in the low country is. [ Pretty much anyone that cares to take a Deer, dove, Turkey, hog, goose, duck, rabbit, squirrel, can to so at will because of regulations and strong management practices and enforcement.
Sure DNR plays a part in that, but also hunting and fishing are VERY different in that there is a concept of "private land". This is another form of access control (limiting access to a resource). In other words, I can buy 100 acres of land and manage it myself. There is no "private ocean" in fishing, so secrecy is the thing that emulates that the most. Do you think hunting would be just as good if the state decided that people had the right to hunt your land (i.e. no private land anymore)? Do you think the current paradigm of DNR management would cover that scenario? Obviously not.
Fortunately we have DNR to handle “Tragedy of the Commons” through strong regulations and enforcement. Just look at how much better our overall Hunting in the low country is. [ Pretty much anyone that cares to take a Deer, dove, Turkey, hog, goose, duck, rabbit, squirrel, can to so at will because of regulations and strong management practices and enforcement.
Sure DNR plays a part in that, but also hunting and fishing are VERY different in that there is a concept of "private land". This is another form of access control (limiting access to a resource). In other words, I can buy 100 acres of land and manage it myself. There is no "private ocean" in fishing, so secrecy is the thing that emulates that the most. Do you think hunting would be just as good if the state decided that people had the right to hunt your land (i.e. no private land anymore)? Do you think the current paradigm of DNR management would cover that scenario? Obviously not.
Skinnyj I respect you very much in many things you have posted and information you have shared over the years. Our off shore area to fish is beyond vast! Sure I will not argue with you that pretty much all artificial reefs get over fished and many other “known” hot spots/live bottom get the same pressure because they are NOT secret. But I think there will have to be an enormous amount of new people that have the financial means to make it out to even think about a possible over fishing issue off our coast. I could be wrong and if so I will humbly bow down and admit so. Our off sh
Fred, as far as bottom fishing is concern, I’ve seen figures from 1-3% as far as how much of the continental shelf has suitable habitat (grouper snapper complex), so no, it’s not larger than the state.
We can leave the continental shelf out. A lot of area and yes I know some of it is a sand desert. We’ll never have the boat traffic and coastal access that Florida does.
We can leave the continental shelf out. A lot of area and yes I know some of it is a sand desert. We’ll never have the boat traffic and coastal access that Florida does.
Mr Fred,
Your graphic does not represent reality. Most bottom fishing happens on the continental shelf (so, I don’t know what you mean by “leave it out”) which is to the West of the red line. The other 2/3rds of your box is a part of the Blake Plateau\Charleston Bump. See where I marked the GT Hole on your map. I don’t know many people running out 100+ miles past the GT hole to catch bottom fish as you are suggesting.
Furthermore, of the red box that I drew, 97% of that is sand. So take 3% of that red box and that’s the effective habitat for bottom fishing species. As you can see, it’s not even as big as the lowcountry.
think of the “private land” you brought up as MPA’s. and DNR states 10% and we all know some sandy areas near reliefs and live bottom DO produce fish.
You win. giving out secret spots and modern technology will cause over fishing and in a few years there will be no viable live bottom, relief, or artificial reefs holding fish. It will not push people to fish deeper bottom drops that are loaded with untapped potential.
This survey is old and used less sensitive equipment.There is a lot more bottom out there.10s of thousands of ledges,wrecks and hard bottom areas.
Yes, I've seen this data. Red is "hardbottom" and green is "suspected". And again, red is probably less than 5% of white. Also, I bet a lot of that "suspected" is covered by sand with no life on it.
Yes, I've seen this data. Red is "hardbottom" and green is "suspected". And again, red is probably less than 5% of white. Also, I bet a lot of that "suspected" is covered by sand with no life on it.
If it’s hard it will hold forage fish at the least.The biggest aggregation of red snapper I ever heard of was on scrubby hard bottom with just fan coral and bait when I dove it.Thousands of spawning ARS.
Same goes for gags,scamp and hogs.I’ve seen them on flat bottom hundreds of yards from any relief.
If it’s hard it will hold forage fish at the least.The biggest aggregation of red snapper I ever heard of was on scrubby hard bottom with just fan coral and bait when I dove it.Thousands of spawning ARS.
Same goes for gags,scamp and hogs.I’ve seen them on flat bottom hundreds of yards from any relief.
I would hope skinny being a diver has also experienced or been told this before.
Of course I have. I also watch my sonar quite a bit, and have done so for hundreds of hours. Do you see hard bottom 10% of the time you are in transit?
Think about that. For 10%, every 10 minutes you traveled offshore, 1 of those minutes would be crossing hard/live bottom. Is that what you experience?
Yes, I've seen this data. Red is "hardbottom" and green is "suspected". And again, red is probably less than 5% of white. Also, I bet a lot of that "suspected" is covered by sand with no life on it.
You win man. Secret numbers are the reason.
Always about winning and losing with you. I should have known to not argue with someone who is bottom fishing 250 miles offshore on the Blake Plateau.
Are you ever open to new information or did your mind shut off decades ago?
Yes, I've seen this data. Red is "hardbottom" and green is "suspected". And again, red is probably less than 5% of white. Also, I bet a lot of that "suspected" is covered by sand with no life on it.
You win man. Secret numbers are the reason.
Always about winning and losing with you. I should have known to not argue with someone who is bottom fishing 250 miles offshore on the Blake Plateau.
Are you ever open to new information or did your mind shut off decades ago?
whoa big guy! You said “Secrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.” I disagreed, you twisted off to only 3% of our offshore bottom is viable fishing grounds. I stated DNR says 10%. / Now you agree with me that fish do habitat areas over sand and not just reliefs, livebottom and such. You stated that our offshore area for fishing is less than the size of the Lowcountry, I disagree.
Can’t you see, all I’m doing is countering a few of your statements because I disagree a
whoa big guy! You said “Secrecy is the ONLY reason why our bottom fishing fishery is good… Mark my words… If you don’t believe me, take a trip down to South Florida or the Keys and go bottom fishing.” I disagreed, you twisted off to only 3% of our offshore bottom is viable fishing grounds. I stated DNR says 10%. / Now you agree with me that fish do habitat areas over sand and not just reliefs, livebottom and such. You stated that our offshore area for fishing is less than the size of the Lowcountry, I disagree.
Can’t you see, all I’m doing is countering a few of your statements because I disagree and I think deep down you may believe me, but will not state so as with so many things through the years. No big deal, you win. Then you throw in a mean spirited jab in an attempt to think you know anything about me and fishing The Blake Plateau. I have trolled and sword fished that area … Yes. As have many thousands of recreational and commercial guys and girls over the years. Are you stating that this is not an area to off shore fish off our coast? I should have included that in my first pic, gives us a lot more off shore area. A lot of people fish the deli.
I’m headed to the deer stand, hope I can stay awake with this full belly. Hope you and your family had a fantastic Thanksgiving!
Fred, you are not countering points. What you are doing is called "splitting hairs". It adds ZERO value to the discussion and frankly, you are just wasting the internet.
You want to argue over exact percentages. That misses my point entirely. The point is (IT’S SMALL). Whether that is 1% or 3% or 5%, it DOESN’T MATTER. There is no way it’s 10% despite wh
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. You are ****ing wrong Fred. Nobody is fishing the Charleston Bump or the Blake Plateau to catch your run of the mill bottom fish.
And AGAIN… If so much of the SC Coast was suitable to catch bottom fish, then there is NO NEED FOR THE CMOR CHIP!!! Why on earth would someone pay almost a thousand bucks when 1 out of every 10 acres of ocean is suitable for catching bottom fish? ANSWER: Because 1 out of every 10 acres (10%) is NOT suitable for bottom fishing…
so now we have narrowed this down to “run of the mill bottom fish”. Ok does that include ARS, cobia, flounder, and Grouper, or just BSB, beeliners, overslot reds, and trigger fish? Just state were you want the boundaries and we can discuss how much viable fishing areas are off our coast.
You sound angry? While you think I miss drew our offshore area, you knowingly miss represented the Blake Plateau as a mean spirited jab.
so now we get to the point, you are angry about the CMOR chip. I’d suppose many that can afford to fish offshore would be interested in buying the chip. In the offshore world what’s a thousand dollars to increase fishing success? Just admit giving out “secret” numbers will not cause our offshore fishing to be like Florida’s. We don’t have the boat traffic or access points and close availability Florida does.
You saying no one needs a cmor chip is liken to you stating no one needs a computer with a terra bite of storage, or a smart t.v. or many other niceties. You tend to take on the extreme when twisting away from an original statement. Like the blanked out ****ing.
Let’s use your guess of 3% that still gives 1 acre in 33.333 How many acres are included in our offshore area? Cruising at 30 knots it takes very litt
