Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
How many lives do "internet rambos" claim each year? Let's look at the stats. :wink:
Here is the big thing… Switching gears for a moment… Virtually EVERY time there is a mass shooting, there is ample “heads up” that it will happen. The story is ALWAYS the same… “Little Johnny wasn’t liked by anyone. He always went on these long tirades about how he was going to kill everyone on campus and even wrote letters about it, but we all didn’t take him seriously”… Same thing EVERY time!!! If we just started taking some of these early confessions, etc more seriously many of these could have been prevented.
Sometimes, I don’t feel like quantifying every thought I have with numbers unfortunately…
I also don’t have the internet Viagra handy to give me the stamina to care enough to research this, but there’s no question that proper training consisting of actual live fire and maybe some shoot or don’t shoot situations would be beneficial for all CWP holders to have.
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
How many lives do "internet rambos" claim each year? Let's look at the stats. :wink:
Here is the big thing… Switching gears for a moment… Virtually EVERY time there is a mass shooting, there is ample “heads up” that it will happen. The story is ALWAYS the same… “Little Johnny wasn’t liked by anyone. He always went on these long tirades about how he was going to kill everyone on campus and even wrote letters about it, but we all didn’t take him seriously”… Same thing EVERY time!!! If we just started taking some of these early confessions, etc more seriously many of these could have been prevented.
Sometimes, I don’t feel like quantifying every thought I have with numbers unfortunately…
I also don’t have the internet Viagra handy to give me the stamina to care enough to research this, but there’s no question that proper training consisting of actual live fire and maybe some shoot or don’t shoot situations would be beneficial for all CWP holders to have.
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Well, let’s see here. First, there’s the reasonable and comforting adjective “proper”. Ha
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
How many lives do "internet rambos" claim each year? Let's look at the stats. :wink:
Here is the big thing… Switching gears for a moment… Virtually EVERY time there is a mass shooting, there is ample “heads up” that it will happen. The story is ALWAYS the same… “Little Johnny wasn’t liked by anyone. He always went on these long tirades about how he was going to kill everyone on campus and even wrote letters about it, but we all didn’t take him seriously”… Same thing EVERY time!!! If we just started taking some of these early confessions, etc more seriously many of these could have been prevented.
Sometimes, I don’t feel like quantifying every thought I have with numbers unfortunately…
I also don’t have the internet Viagra handy to give me the stamina to care enough to research this, but there’s no question that proper training consisting of actual live fire and maybe some shoot or don’t shoot situations would be beneficial for all CWP holders to have.</font id=“red”>
And the simple fact is, criminals will always find a gun if they need one and if someone is intent on killing someone, new laws won’t stop them and they will find a way. 99% (yes, I made this up) of the law-abiding gun owners in this country are not the problem. It is the 1% of the criminals, thugs, ner do wells and weird kids that didn’t fit in that have caused and will continue to cause most of the problems.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”, but really, who cares?
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
Hell no, the more law abiding people that have guns the better, all this training, requirements etc is just another way for the liberals to make it harder and intimidate you from buying a gun,getting a CWP. You think all these criminals that have guns go through any training? How often do you hear of a CWP owner getting charged with murder, shooting up places, basically never. This is ass backwards thinking, sorry to say.
Also it is nobody’s business how many firearms one legally owns. I know about 5 or 6 people in the Charleston area with collections of between 100-300 guns. And each one of them have told me of several more they know. You could buy 100 guns from the gun store every year if that is your fancy and nothing the feds can do about it. Also when you sell a gun privately you are not required to keep any paperwork, I could have sold all 100 of those guns and wouldnt have to prove anything to anyone either.
Also it is nobody’s business how many firearms one legally owns. I know about 5 or 6 people in the Charleston area with collections of between 100-300 guns. And each one of them have told me of several more they know. You could buy 100 guns from the gun store every year if that is your fancy and nothing the feds can do about it. Also when you sell a gun privately you are not required to keep any paperwork, I could have sold all 100 of those guns and wouldnt have to prove anything to anyone either.
my that's a lot of guns, but how many can you shoot at one time?
Also it is nobody’s business how many firearms one legally owns. I know about 5 or 6 people in the Charleston area with collections of between 100-300 guns. And each one of them have told me of several more they know. You could buy 100 guns from the gun store every year if that is your fancy and nothing the feds can do about it. Also when you sell a gun privately you are not required to keep any paperwork, I could have sold all 100 of those guns and wouldnt have to prove anything to anyone either.
my that's a lot of guns, but how many can you shoot at one time?
I’m having a hard time finding the relevance of that question.
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Also it is nobody’s business how many firearms one legally owns. I know about 5 or 6 people in the Charleston area with collections of between 100-300 guns. And each one of them have told me of several more they know. You could buy 100 guns from the gun store every year if that is your fancy and nothing the feds can do about it. Also when you sell a gun privately you are not required to keep any paperwork, I could have sold all 100 of those guns and wouldnt have to prove anything to anyone either.
my that's a lot of guns, but how many can you shoot at one time?
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Well there are millions of gun collectors in the USA, just like collecting anything else, no need to shoot any or all of them. Why would a collector be required to shoot every gun he owns?
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
How many lives do "internet rambos" claim each year? Let's look at the stats. :wink:
Here is the big thing… Switching gears for a moment… Virtually EVERY time there is a mass shooting, there is ample “heads up” that it will happen. The story is ALWAYS the same… “Little Johnny wasn’t liked by anyone. He always went on these long tirades about how he was going to kill everyone on campus and even wrote letters about it, but we all didn’t take him seriously”… Same thing EVERY time!!! If we just started taking some of these early confessions, etc more seriously many of these could have been prevented.
Sometimes, I don’t feel like quantifying every thought I have with numbers unfortunately…
I also don’t have the internet Viagra handy to give me the stamina to care enough to research this, but there’s no question that proper training consisting of actual live fire and maybe some shoot or don’t shoot situations would be beneficial for all CWP holders to have.
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
Hell no, the more law abiding people that have guns the better, all this training, requirements etc is just another way for the liberals to make it harder and intimidate you from buying a gun,getting a CWP. You think all these criminals that have guns go through any training? How often do you hear of a CWP owner getting charged with murder, shooting up places, basically never. This is ass backwards thinking, sorry to say.
More people out there that have never fired a gun, but legally own them is better?
Why is gun training intimidating to you? Criminals don’t get training, because they’re not trying to use them responsibly…
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
Hell no, the more law abiding people that have guns the better, all this training, requirements etc is just another way for the liberals to make it harder and intimidate you from buying a gun,getting a CWP. You think all these criminals that have guns go through any training? How often do you hear of a CWP owner getting charged with murder, shooting up places, basically never. This is ass backwards thinking, sorry to say.
More people out there that have never fired a gun, but legally own them is better?
Why is gun training intimidating to you? Criminals don’t get training, because they’re not trying to use them responsibly…
Sure if you have a gun in your house for protection and some thugs come in at night busting down your doors training has little to do with it. All you have to do is aim and shoot. Now would I prefer everyone has training sure, but would I require it no. Id be much happier hearing about someone defending their home and family from a robber, training or no training than hearing of another citizen killed by a home invader, thats why.
The military didn’t teach me a thing about “responsible” use of a firearm that I didn’t learn from my father as a young child so you don’t need some world renowned trainer, advanced tactics training, and shoot houses to learn basic firearm “responsibility.” Basic firearm functionality, safe muzzle manipulation, proper sight alignment, trigger control…learn those four things and there’s not much more you can do to be more “responsible.”
No one knows how they’re going to react in a life or death situation until they’re placed in a life or death situation. Again, only the smallest most elite SF units train in situations that would prepare them for life or death situations. Even with infantry units, you don’t know how they’ll react when the bullets start to zing past their heads until it actually happens because even they don’t train to that extreme so there’s no way a civilian will have the available training to adequately prepare them for these types of situations.
In the future, where every stranger poses a potential threat, knowing the predator mindset is the only safe haven.
Have to say, I’m one of the gun owners that wouldn’t be upset if it was a little more difficult to purchase a gun. Bunch of Internet Rambos with no real training carrying make me just as nervous as criminals.
Hell no, the more law abiding people that have guns the better, all this training, requirements etc is just another way for the liberals to make it harder and intimidate you from buying a gun,getting a CWP. You think all these criminals that have guns go through any training? How often do you hear of a CWP owner getting charged with murder, shooting up places, basically never. This is ass backwards thinking, sorry to say.
More people out there that have never fired a gun, but legally own them is better?
Why is gun training intimidating to you? Criminals don’t get training, because they’re not trying to use them responsibly…
Sure if you have a gun in your house for protection and some thugs come in at night busting down your doors training has little to do with it. All you have to do is aim and shoot. Now would I prefer everyone has training sure, but would I require it no. Id be much happier hea
The military didn’t teach me a thing about “responsible” use of a firearm that I didn’t learn from my father as a young child so you don’t need some world renowned trainer, advanced tactics training, and shoot houses to learn basic firearm “responsibility.” Basic firearm functionality, safe muzzle manipulation, proper sight alignment, trigger control…learn those four things and there’s not much more you can do to be more “responsible.”
No one knows how they’re going to react in a life or death situation until they’re placed in a life or death situation. Again, only the smallest most elite SF units train in situations that would prepare them for life or death situations. Even with infantry units, you don’t know how they’ll react when the bullets start to zing past their heads until it actually happens because even they don’t train to that extreme so there’s no way a civilian will have the available training to adequately prepare them for these types of situations.
In the future, where every stranger poses a potential threat, knowing the predator mindset is the only safe haven.
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When did we get into combat training for civilians? You can go into any gun shop right now, buy a gun, have no clue how to load it, aim it, or shoot it. Much less not point it at your face while you’re cleaning it.
My point is, which all of you obviously disagree on, and that’s fine, is that it would not bother me if I had to show that I understand how to safely use a weapon to purchase one. It would also not bother me if you had to be trained quite a bit more to carry one concealed in public.
Your opinion, again id much prefer my neighbor have a gun in his house to defend himself whether he’s fired the gun or not. Maybe you think its better to be unarmed, and rely on the police. No point and shoot is not just for video games, its the difference between your life or the felons in many cases. As for CWP’s every state already requires some level of training, sounds like you would like to add more regulation and training thus making it harder for the average citizen to get a cwp, sounds just like the liberals.
It would also not bother me if you had to be trained quite a bit more to carry one concealed in public.
Again, state the number of lives that will be saved by this investment. It might sound like a good idea, but if we are going to spend millions of dollars, I want to know how big of a problem this is… It sounds like we are coming up with a solution before we have even identified what the problem is. I want to see some analysis done with the following questions answered:
How many lives are taken because of gun accidents?
Where is there a statistical analysis that shows that “gun training” actually saves lives? You would want to see a group of “untrained” versus “trained” operator statistics. What is the per capita death of each group, and when you get that delta, multiply it times the number in question #1 to get potential lives saved.
Again, if we are talking like 15 lives here, is this something we need to spend MILLIONS of dollars on, or do we just let Darwin do his thing?
Anyway, I don’t have the answers, but before I come up with solutions, I like to know that we actually have a problem we are trying to solve for…
Next thing you know, the government will have us all holding up ice cubes in the air to try to stop global warming…
My point is, no amount of training is going to prepare most civilians for a life or death situation. Also, to mandate any training is a form of gun control and the overwhelming majority won’t be in favor of it.
I did chuckle a little at the notion that everyone working behind a gun counter in a store is qualified to determine if a customer “understands how to safely use a weapon” before the customer makes a purchase.
In the future, where every stranger poses a potential threat, knowing the predator mindset is the only safe haven.
Speaking to the original topic, as far as I can tell the this executive order will attempt to change the definition of “seller” as in which sellers need an FFL. There are non-FFL holders who buy and sell lots of guns for profit (legally). Anyway, we’ll have to see exactly what is coming out. Our NRA will provide good updates.
The whole purpose of this “universal background check” thing is to drive registration in a step by step manner. Once all firearms transfers by law have to be done with a NICS check, then the obvious question will be “well how do we know?” and registration will be the so-called solution. Of course, criminals won’t give a (**() about gun laws, ever.
The obvious solution is that we’ve got all the gun laws we need and more, we just need to prosecute them. Before Charleston Thug Life went offline, they were clearly showing that arrests for “unlawful carrying of a firearm” (I think a 3 or 5 year prison sentence) and other gun charges were routinely having the charges dropped by our local prosecutors. If they were prosecuted, the sentences were jokes like “time served” or a “1 year of probation.”
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