I was having this debate with one of my Clemson buddies today. Does Clemson or Carolina have the most offensive talent, based on what is on paper and last years play. One game does not show us anything in my opinion. I am curious what everyone thinks. Be nice.
I like Clemson’s playbook better, but I’ll take South Carolina’s OLINE and running game and QB. If this was Watson’s sophomore year, it would be Clemson QB and WRs hands down.
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QB’s are comparable. I favor the Tiger backup, even though we only saw one series. Davis stands out at RB if healthy, but little difference in the rest. Alot of talent at recievers…toss a coin. You couldn’t take the tackles, gaurds, centers, and TE’s from both teams last week and form an offensive line. By the end of Sept, the picture may be a little clearer, but don’t count on it. Maybe if both teams suck, it will be a little more civil.
I’d take Clemson’s. Just judging by the first games, they did move the ball effectively on scoring drives, not just hitting home runs when dbs got out of position.
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Originally posted by tigerfinI’d take Clemson’s. Just judging by the first games, they did move the ball effectively on scoring drives, not just hitting home runs when dbs got out of position.
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And there is the rub.
Were the DB’s out of position, or the offense good enough to make them look like it.
We will find out more in a few weeks. Too early to tell, but from what I saw it was busts in the defense that allowed for those home run balls. Maybe it’s just me…
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What I asking is, Did the offense mask its play calling well enough to make the defense make the wrong call. And as for Baird, he is just that fast.
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Originally posted by Fishb8What I asking is, Did the offense mask its play calling well enough to make the defense make the wrong call. And as for Baird, he is just that fast.
Are you saying that was not a busted coverage on the Byrd TD?
While I agree Clemson’s offense seemed more consistent in the first half, I don’t think you can say Carolina’s success was based on db’s blowing plays. The first long bomb you saw Thompson audible based on the defense and picked the right audible apparently. I think the safeties looked like they were ready to stop the run there was an awful lot of one on one coverage in that secondary and that is tough to asks a kid to keep us with Byrd, he is crazy fast. I do think A&M’s defense it better than they are getting creidt for, they were banged up last year as well, but it looked like they had some good speed on the field and the DE Myles Garrett is a stud that is going to give tackles a rough time all season,
IMO a busted coverage is when a db covers in zone and the rest are man. Or 2 Db’s are in the same zone coverage area leaving a open space on the field. When the db is in man coverage and gets beat, well he got beat.
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Originally posted by Fishb8IMO a busted coverage is when a db covers in zone and the rest are man. Or 2 Db’s are in the same zone coverage area leaving a open space on the field. When the db is in man coverage and gets beat, well he got beat.
Looked like DB was expecting help from the safety. I does not matter, it does not chance the outcome.
Again was that because the offensive play was designed to draw the safety in? Why do you think the QB does pump fakes.
Look at the first TD to Jones. Jones was the WR on the right, with a slot receiver inside of him. The safety bit on the slot allowing the WR to run straight by him.
Is that busted coverage or a good offensive play? I think it is offense because that is how it is drawn up. if the safety bites, throw it deep.
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Originally posted by Fishb8Again was that because the offensive play was designed to draw the safety in? Why do you think the QB does pump fakes.
Look at the first TD to Jones. Jones was the WR on the right, with a slot receiver inside of him. The safety bit on the slot allowing the WR to run straight by him.
Is that busted coverage or a good offensive play? I think it is offense because that is how it is drawn up. if the safety bites, throw it deep.
I’m not an X’s & O’s expert but would think its busted coverage. The safety’s job is to not let any of the WR’s behind him if its not a run play…is it not?
The simple answer is it depends on the defense call/coverage. Safety can be in man cover and be covering a WR that only runs a 10 yard route.
How about this. man coverage. WR runs 15 yards, stops turns, QB pump fakes, Safety bites and the WR turns up field and has a 10 yard lead on him. Is that busted or good offense play.
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Originally posted by Fishb8The simple answer is it depends on the defense call/coverage. Safety can be in man cover and be covering a WR that only runs a 10 yard route.
How about this. man coverage. WR runs 15 yards, stops turns, QB pump fakes, Safety bites and the WR turns up field and has a 10 yard lead on him. Is that busted or good offense play.
well again, not an X’s 0’s guy, but wouldn’t the DB in man coverage supposed to stay on the WR while the safety stays back and is the safety net to ensure the WR does not get behind him?
So in your mind EVERY open receiver is a busted play on the defense.
Poor coverage
Poor play/effort
Poor decision
Poor positioning
All of these are busted defenses???
We were only talking about that one play…not every play in CFB.
Is it not the safety’s job on that play to stay back and provide support to the DB covering that WR?
I’m just asking a question because I don’t know…and you are going off on a tangent…
Yes. When any receiver is 10+ yds ahead of the closest defender, someone didn’t do their job. Period. If the receiver is a step or two ahead, the db just got beat. I have to agree with you though that the offense is designed to make the play bust, but it’s still a bust.
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Aren’t about 95% of big plays because of busted coverage?
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I’m not going off on a tangent. I think you can call any play with positive yards a busted play because the defense did not do their job. Or you could say the offense did their job.
The point is that with orange colored glasses, they were busted play that allowed USC to score. With garnet glasses (and I would argue clear glasses) it was a well design and executed offensive play.
As I said earlier:
IMO a busted coverage is when a db covers in zone and the rest are man. Or 2 Db’s are in the same zone coverage area leaving a open space on the field.
Getting beat is getting beat.