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I remember those schools of bait, am I the only one??
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I remember those schools of bait, am I the only one??
I’ve been doing it since the 60’s. You should have seen it then. No bait = no fish. Food chains work from the bottom up.
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quote:Lot's more bait balls in NC offshore fishing grounds. That's for sure. Also, it seems that when we had our big sailfish surge a few years ago that there was a lot more bait marked.
Originally posted by A2Zfollow the bait…
in the late 90’2 and early 2000’s there would be large schools of small bait on the ledge, rain bait as it was called, acre plus schools…when is the last time you saw a school of bait like that? We would also catch swuid on sabikis at the richmond.
The bait disapeared first, the yellowfin became less prevalent and we were then chasing what few were left as they chased flyers. I remember those schools of bait, am I the only one??
Remember the contender out of georgetown that pulled into one of those bait balls to catch some with a bucket and the bait ran under the boat, the yft were hitting the bottom of the boat as they busted the bait, they freegaffed several…
follow the bait…
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Perhaps the attached ICCAT stock assessment executive summary will provide the evidence you are looking for. Don’t forget these are based on the reported data and does not account for what is commonly refered to as the IUU (Illegal, Unregulated and Unreported)fishing, which is rampant in all of continental Africa.
These 2 pics were from September of 2011. I caught yellowfin that day and saw free jumping sails the better part of the day.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:You would bet your family home that fishing off of West Africa is the reason that we don't catch YFT's in SC anymore?
Originally posted by WarblerI will guaran-(**()-tee you that commercial fishing is to blame in large part for the demise of the yellowfin tuna. You can wait for “science” until the last tuna is netted, but these dumb fish don’t stand a chance with the sophisticated commercial fleets that target them. And you ask about bait? That probably has something to do with it, too. But guess who targets baitfish, too? Yep, they’re commercially fished as well. Folks, the commercial guys have captured the regulators where necessary, and everywhere else they don’t need to b/c there ain’t no regulations or they can’t be enforced. And as to the West Coast tunas, just wait…they’ll be “overfished” soon enough. “Overfished” is just a label that we humans put on the fishery after the damage is done. We are incapable, for the most part, of precisely calculating the damage as it is being inflicted.
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In large part (if not THE reason), yes, absolutely. West Coast of Africa and anywhere else that supplies the fish that used to frequent our waters. Science is a HUGE part of the equation, but what good is it if it only confirms the obvious after the tuna are gone (or depleted to the point of taking years and years and to recover…we may already be there).
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To me, this is the same as the cobia discussion. When that discussion first started back a couple of months ago, there were several on here who refused to believe the blatantly obvious—that the Broad River cobia were in BIG trouble. They wanted more science. Doesn’t seem to be much question about it now that the prime time is here and virtually no cobia are being caught. Again, science plays a huge part in managing our fisheries, but common sense should too, particularly where science might lag behind just enough to allow the decimation of a fishery.
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Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:You would bet your family home that fishing off of West Africa is the reason that we don't catch YFT's in SC anymore?
Originally posted by WarblerI will guaran-(**()-tee you that commercial fishing is to blame in large part for the demise of the yellowfin tuna. You can wait for “science” until the last tuna is netted, but these dumb fish don’t stand a chance with the sophisticated commercial fleets that target them. And you ask about bait? That probably has something to do with it, too. But guess who targets baitfish, too? Yep, they’re commercially fished as well. Folks, the commercial guys have captured the regulators where necessary, and everywhere else they don’t need to b/c there ain’t no regulations or they can’t be enforced. And as to the West Coast tunas, just wait…they’ll be “overfished” soon enough. “Overfished” is just a label that we humans put on the fishery after the damage is done. We are incapable, for the most part, of precisely calculating the damage as it is being inflicted.
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In large part (if not THE reason), yes, absolutely. West Coast of Africa and anywhere else that supplies the fish that used to frequent our waters. Science is a HUGE part of the equation, but what good is it if it only confirms the obvious after the tuna are gone (or depleted to the point of taking years and years and to recover…we ma
I wish I had the answer—I don’t. Too many rogue commercial fishermen (and rogue countries, in some cases) in the world is the heart of the problem. We could start by crippling the commercial guys that we can cripple with our laws and go from there.
But the discussion thus far can’t even get past the cause of the problem. I’d love for everyone to accept that commercial fishing is the cause and then focus on the answer…that would be great.
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Originally posted by WarblerTo me, this is the same as the cobia discussion. When that discussion first started back a couple of months ago, there were several on here who refused to believe the blatantly obvious—that the Broad River cobia were in BIG trouble. They wanted more science. Doesn’t seem to be much question about it now that the prime time is here and virtually no cobia are being caught. Again, science plays a huge part in managing our fisheries, but common sense should too, particularly where science might lag behind just enough to allow the decimation of a fishery.
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quote:Our laws are going to keep France and Spain from fishing in West Africa????
Originally posted by WarblerI wish I had the answer—I don’t. Too many rogue commercial fishermen (and rogue countries, in some cases) in the world is the heart of the problem. We could start by crippling the commercial guys that we can cripple with our laws and go from there.
But the discussion thus far can’t even get past the cause of the problem. I’d love for everyone to accept that commercial fishing is the cause and then focus on the answer…that would be great.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:2 things:
Originally posted by WarblerTo me, this is the same as the cobia discussion. When that discussion first started back a couple of months ago, there were several on here who refused to believe the blatantly obvious—that the Broad River cobia were in BIG trouble. They wanted more science. Doesn’t seem to be much question about it now that the prime time is here and virtually no cobia are being caught. Again, science plays a huge part in managing our fisheries, but common sense should too, particularly where science might lag behind just enough to allow the decimation of a fishery.
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- No, it’s exactly the opposite of the cobia discussion where local fish are easy to observe and regulate via “common sense”. We are talking about linking the eastern and western yellowfin tuna stocks and blaming it on something that is anything but common sense.
- “Common sense” was used up to the point of the collapse. Why did our common sense regulations of 3 fish per person, 27 length not work if common sense dictated an African fishing problem that has existed since the 70’s?
They’re actually the same but the cobia are downtrodden b/c of recreational and commercial fishing (although it may have been illegal to sell SC caught cobia, rogues still did it), while the tuna problems are purely commercial. The rec and commercial anglers ganged up on the cobia at choke points and now we’re paying the price. As to the tuna, commercial fishing for them from the seventies until now is night and day. Bett
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:Our laws are going to keep France and Spain from fishing in West Africa????
Originally posted by WarblerI wish I had the answer—I don’t. Too many rogue commercial fishermen (and rogue countries, in some cases) in the world is the heart of the problem. We could start by crippling the commercial guys that we can cripple with our laws and go from there.
But the discussion thus far can’t even get past the cause of the problem. I’d love for everyone to accept that commercial fishing is the cause and then focus on the answer…that would be great.
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No, but we can cripple the yellowfin commercial guys from our ports…why not do something as opposed to nothing?
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I have no direct interest in Tuna and hope I’m not breaking a rule of the forum talking about politics and money but I believe this subject is a little broader then seine nets and the African coast. Excuse me as I’m certainly no writer or expert on the matter but this will be a little wordy.
The bottom line is as other countries become industrialized they will gain the ability to harvest resources at phenomenal rates. This has happened throughout the history of man, I’m sure everyone where will acknowledge this. Humans will continue to compete globally for food, water, and shelter until the entire world is fully developed, we go extinct, super power governments start operating for the good of the people, or any other unlikely situation that you would like to name. This has and will continue to happen all over the world, including the US, for the rest of our lives. I vote extinction or near extinction but maybe common sense will regain it’s “common” title and humanity will prevail at some point.
Eliminating seine nets is a big step but banning the import of foreign fish could be just as important. The US can NOT control the world. Heck we’re not that good at controlling ruling ourselves at times. But we do hold one Ace, our money and decently strong alliances with much of Europe and their money to an extent (lets not debate this line too much?). If we play our cards right and make some sacrifices on who and what we buy now it will be beneficial to the whole world. Unfortunately we kinda have to rely on our politicians or the political atmosphere to make big changes like the US banning the importation of tuna/African goods or the boycott of it by the people, however a small percentage of people fish for tuna in the US so getting the country so getting that train started will be tough.
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Originally posted by Great WhiteI have no direct interest in Tuna and hope I’m not breaking a rule of the forum talking about politics and money but I believe this subject is a little broader then seine nets and the African coast. Excuse me as I’m certainly no writer or expert on the matter but this will be a little wordy.
The bottom line is as other countries become industrialized they will gain the ability to harvest resources at phenomenal rates. This has happened throughout the history of man, I’m sure everyone where will acknowledge this. Humans will continue to compete globally for food, water, and shelter until the entire world is fully developed, we go extinct, super power governments start operating for the good of the people, or any other unlikely situation that you would like to name. This has and will continue to happen all over the world, including the US, for the rest of our lives. I vote extinction or near extinction but maybe common sense will regain it’s “common” title and humanity will prevail at some point.
Eliminating seine nets is a big step but banning the import of foreign fish could be just as important. The US can NOT control the world. Heck we’re not that good at controlling ruling ourselves at times. But we do hold one Ace, our money and decently strong alliances with much of Europe and their money to an extent (lets not debate this line too much?). If we play our cards right and make some sacrifices on who and what we buy now it will be beneficial to the whole world. Unfortunately we kinda have to rely on our politicians or the political atmosphere to make big changes like the US banning the importation of tuna/African goods or the boycott of it by the people, however a small percentage of people fish for tuna in the US so getting the country so getting that train started will be tough.
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quote:Because the wrong move is sometimes painful, unnecessary, affects people's lives, and wastes time to attack the REAL culprit.
Originally posted by WarblerNo, but we can cripple the yellowfin commercial guys from our ports…why not do something as opposed to nothing?
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Going after commercial tuna guys on the East Coast is like trying to bail water out of the bottom of the boat with a shot glass instead of finding the actual hole…
I would rather find the hole and plug it. If it’s commercial guys, then fine, plug them. But, I absolutely hate wasting time by chasing our tail.
Also, nobody seemed to call out the big pink elephant in the room on the charts that hungryneck posted (https://www.iccat.int/Documents/SCRS/ExecSum/YFT_EN.pdf). That is that the Purse Seine fleet in West Africa started to explode about 40 years ago, but the Purse Seine fleet in South America (Venezuela and Brazil) didn’t start to take off until the late 90’s… Hmmmmmm… You know, kind of around the time where we started seeing issues… That one seems a lot closer to home… Also, they have seen the same magnitude of declines.
Meanwhile, in Ghana, they are catching the SAME amount of tuna in 2013 as they were in 1993.
I blame the advances in medicine and all the do good-ers in the world that keep people alive past their natural death point.
People are not that different than fish. We need to stay alive, reproduce and eat.
We need protein. Fish is an easy source, for now.
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Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:2 things:
Originally posted by WarblerTo me, this is the same as the cobia discussion. When that discussion first started back a couple of months ago, there were several on here who refused to believe the blatantly obvious—that the Broad River cobia were in BIG trouble. They wanted more science. Doesn’t seem to be much question about it now that the prime time is here and virtually no cobia are being caught. Again, science plays a huge part in managing our fisheries, but common sense should too, particularly where science might lag behind just enough to allow the decimation of a fishery.
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- No, it’s exactly the opposite of the cobia discussion where local fish are easy to observe and regulate via “common sense”. We are talking about linking the eastern and western yellowfin tuna stocks and blaming it on something that is anything but common sense.
- “Common sense” was used up to the point of the collapse. Why did our common sense regulations of 3 fish per person, 27 length not work if common sense dictated an African fishing problem that has existed since the 70’s?
They’re actually the same but the cobia are downtrodden b/c of recreational and commercial fishing (although it may have been illegal to sell SC caught cobia, rogues still did it), while the tuna problems are purely commercial. The rec and commercial anglers gan
Let’s also not forget that the ICCAT has been around since 1966. Tell me how we are still having stocks collapse in 2003 and remain collapsed for this long? Let me guess, they have it all figured out… I don’t know of many organizations that couldn’t turn a profit in 50 years and still are around to tell about it. Just sayin…
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Originally posted by CourtlandI blame the advances in medicine and all the do good-ers in the world that keep people alive past their natural death point.
People are not that different than fish. We need to stay alive, reproduce and eat.
We need protein. Fish is an easy source, for now.
BS. Most fish, including YFT, is a luxury. The commercial industry ain’t focused on selling the YFT to the savages in Africa who don’t wear clothes…they want to sell it to industrialized countries who will pay a premium. That’s all fine and dandy until you realize they’re depleting the resource. There are much, much cheaper sources of protein than YFT…know that.
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