Power issue on engine

Engine went in for an annual service and came out running worse. Probably a coincidence, but just want to give all of the facts.

2007 Yamaha 150 4-stroke
Normally max RPM is 5300.

Last Wednesday went offshore. In the river, couldn’t get my RPMs over 4700 (normally I cruise at 4900). By the time we got a few miles past the Jettis, RPM started jumping up and down 2800-3600. Wild fluctuations. Looking at the digital gauge, RPM number is constantly moving up and down (never steady). I normally cruise at around 27-29knts but we were making about 16-19 knts. Port engine was really pulling the bad starboard engine along.

We finished the day offshore with not really any improvement. Even at idle engine was bouncing up and down (shaking\sputtering kind of).

So, a CF.com buddy suggested that we try his fuel injectors on my engine. Popped his injectors in and boat went back up to max RPM (actually even higher than I had ever seen). We ran down the river and back. Things were awesome. He offered that I borrow his injectors for my next offshore trip (yesterday).

Boat ran fantastic until about an hour offshore and then RPMs started to taper off again. Got into that range (bouncing back and forth). We made it offshore about 17 knts. Boat seemed better at trolling and idle speeds though.

After trolling for a few hours we decided to head back in. RPMs came up nicely and we were making good speed (25knts). Then after about an hour of “good”, we lost the power again. Dropped me down to 16 knts again. Was like that all the way home. Hit the city marina no wake zone and idled through. Once we got past the Bristol, I fired up the engines and we were back up to 5300 RPMs all the way to the marina.

Not sure what is going on. He suggests the fuel\water separator change and VST filter change which we will do ASAP. Anyone else have similar issues?

are both the engines plumbed to same tank and same water separator?


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Sounds like you could be sucking air into that engine’s fuel supply. Make sure all of the hoses and fittings leading up to it are tight and in good shape.

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I take it this is only on one engine. The VST pump may be failing/shorting causing the intermittent running. Chris V would know better.

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Originally posted by mdaddy

I take it this is only on one engine. The VST pump may be failing/shorting causing the intermittent running. Chris V would know better.


Did they give you a rundown on things done ie. valve adjustment/timing belt etc...a lot of things to check...take it back to them and get to work on that fence.
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Originally posted by TheMechanic

are both the engines plumbed to same tank and same water separator?


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2 independent tanks, independent water separators.

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Originally posted by mdaddy

I take it this is only on one engine. The VST pump may be failing/shorting causing the intermittent running. Chris V would know better.


Twin engines. Port seems to be running fine. Issue is on starboard.

if you have the ability to, swap the fuel lines on the motors…that will eliminate any possibility of loose fuel lines sucking air or anti siphon valves sticking or bad water separator


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The vst tank has a drain screw at the bottom…drain it into a glass jar and look for water/rust…

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Originally posted by TheMechanic

if you have the ability to, swap the fuel lines on the motors…that will eliminate any possibility of loose fuel lines sucking air or anti siphon valves sticking or bad water separator


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That's interesting. I will have to look at that. I'm not sure if the hoses are long enough, but they might be.

Also, I did pump up the bulb until it was tight. Wouldn’t that rule out issues upstream of that as far as air leak?

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Originally posted by skinneej

Also, I did pump up the bulb until it was tight. Wouldn’t that rule out issues upstream of that as far as air leak?


Not necessarily.

But when you pumped the ball up tight, did it seem to remedy anything?

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Originally posted by leadenwahboy
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Originally posted by skinneej

Also, I did pump up the bulb until it was tight. Wouldn’t that rule out issues upstream of that as far as air leak?


Not necessarily.

But when you pumped the ball up tight, did it seem to remedy anything?

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Didn't seem to really make a noticeable difference from what I could tell.

bulbs have a “one way valve” in them, so just because you can get the bulb hard, doesnt mean there might not be a suction issue some where “pre-bulb”


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Originally posted by TheMechanic

bulbs have a “one way valve” in them, so just because you can get the bulb hard, doesnt mean there might not be a suction issue some where “pre-bulb”


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Understood, but my assumption is that once the bulb IS hard, then if it was a suction issue upstream I have at least eliminated that for a few seconds and the engine would run "normally" until the bulb went limp again. Wouldn't that be the case?

yessir, %100 correct. is that not happening?


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Originally posted by TheMechanic

yessir, %100 correct. is that not happening?


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Unfortunately not. I can get the ball pretty darn tight, but it doesn't seem to have a noticeable effect on the RPM.

The fuel bulb only primes the fuel pump. Once the engine starts the fuel pump sucks the fuel through the bulb and pumps it to the vst tank that pressurizes the fuel to the fuel rails/injectors.

" So, a CF.com buddy suggested that we try his fuel injectors on my engine. Popped his injectors in and boat went back up to max RPM (actually even higher than I had ever seen). We ran down the river and back. Things were awesome. He offered that I borrow his injectors for my next offshore trip (yesterday).

Boat ran fantastic until about an hour offshore and then RPMs started to taper off again."

I would imagine you gunked up the traded out injectors again…check the vst tank drain for stool.

then in that case, certainly sounds like a VST issue or water issue.


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My money is on bad fuel…

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