quick history lesson for bandwagon coots

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To all you bandwagon fans who may have recently jumped off a certain wagon:

I know you’re in a formidable stage right now, so I wanted you to be comforted by some facts… in case you felt the need to jump on the Clemson bandwagon.

Well, let me restate the goal here another way. You should at least know the truth if you want to join our Clemson family. You may just feel that you should give South Carolina College another shot. Being a Clemson fan isn’t cut out for everyone!

:smiley:

From Wikipedia—“Carolina Clemson Rivalry” ---------

Origin[edit]

Unlike most major college rivalries, the Carolina?Clemson rivalry did not start innocently and because of competitive collegiate sports. The deep-seated bitterness began between the two schools long before Clemson received its charter and became a college. The two institutions were founded eighty-eight years apart from one another on a chronological scale: South Carolina College in 1801 and Clemson Agricultural College in 1889.

South Carolina College was founded in 1801 to unite and promote harmony between the Lowcountry and the Backcountry.[7] It closed during the Civil War when its students aided the Southern cause, but the closure gave politicians an opportunity to reorganize it to their liking.:8ball:[9] The Radical Republicans in charge of state government during Reconstruction opened the school to blacks and women while appropriating generous funds to the university, which caused the white citizens of the state to withdraw their support for the university[10] and view it as a symbol of the worst aspects of Reconstruction.

The Democrats returned to power in 1877 following their decisive electoral victory over the Radical Republicans and promptly proceeded to close the university. Sentiment in the state favored opening an agriculture college, so the university was reorganized as the South Carolina College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts.[11] In 1882, the college was renamed to its antebellum name, South Carolina College, which infur

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I lost interest at “clempsun bandwagon”.

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

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I was out after “To all you”

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I think I understand how people can be Carolina fans now,

:stuck_out_tongue:

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Why, because we don’t find your mindless ramblings entertaining or interesting?

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

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quote:
Originally posted by Phin

I think I understand how people can be Carolina fans now,

:stuck_out_tongue:

You should have done it in crayon and put something shiny on it.

Mark
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Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.

“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne

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quote:
Originally posted by DFreedom

Why, because we don’t find your mindless ramblings entertaining or interesting?

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

The above history was not written by me, and it is far from mindless.

Furthermore, it is highly interesting to read someone’s attempt to provide an objective history of the two schools’ interaction with one another.

I thought that I could at least get Carolina people to care about your own school’s history it when it related to Clemson.

I was wrong, though. Y’all simply don’t care about what the two schools represent or how they became what they are at all.

So I understand now*

You don’t want to know. You’re afraid of it, perhaps?

I accept it. I accept Pitchfork Ben closing down your school when it failed to provide A&M education to middle and lower classes of the state, and I accept coots trying to prevent the school from ever even forming by trying to overturn a man’s last will and testament. I accept Sol Blatt, that guy that your campus has stuff named for everywhere, you know?, defunding Clemson Extension and taking away Clemson funding.

It’s all water under the bridge that is so boring and unentertaining!

It’s so boring that they named the SC House of Representatives Office Bldg after Speaker Blatt, and they put a statue of Ben Tillman in front of the statehouse that Vincent Sheheen wants to tear down now…
Haley went to Clemson. Sheheen went to Carolina.

Making any sense yet, or is it just rambling?

I guess if your own history doesn’t matter to you then you’ll just pull for who’s currently winning.

HENCE, bandwagon coot*

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Luke 8:22-25

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Who was flip-flopping sides exactly?

You left out the part where Clemson’s founder Ben Tillman is also remembered as one of the biggest racists in SC history and led the Hamburg Massacre of 1876. There is your answer for the lack of diversity around Clemson :wink:

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quote:
Originally posted by cofcfishing

Who was flip-flopping sides exactly?

You left out the part where Clemson’s founder Ben Tillman is also remembered as one of the biggest racists in SC history and led the Hamburg Massacre of 1876. There is your answer for the lack of diversity around Clemson :wink:

The man was elected as Governor, faults and all. Same as Washington and Jefferson when elected as President of the country while owning human beings as property…

That does not mean that everything they did was evil. It means that they had serious faults.

Like I said, though, bandwagoners don’t care about any of it. A real fan* of USC (or of Clemson) would have been all over exactly what you pointed out…

All I did was post some history from an “independent” source.

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Luke 8:22-25

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quote:
Originally posted by Phin
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Originally posted by DFreedom

Why, because we don’t find your mindless ramblings entertaining or interesting?

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

The above history was not written by me, and it is far from mindless.

Furthermore, it is highly interesting to read someone’s attempt to provide an objective history of the two schools’ interaction with one another.

I thought that I could at least get Carolina people to care about your own school’s history it when it related to Clemson.

I was wrong, though. Y’all simply don’t care about what the two schools represent or how they became what they are at all.

So I understand now*

You don’t want to know. You’re afraid of it, perhaps?

I accept it. I accept Pitchfork Ben closing down your school when it failed to provide A&M education to middle and lower classes of the state, and I accept coots trying to prevent the school from ever even forming by trying to overturn a man’s last will and testament. I accept Sol Blatt, that guy that your campus has stuff named for everywhere, you know?, defunding Clemson Extension and taking away Clemson funding.

It’s all water under the bridge that is so boring and unentertaining!

It’s so boring that they named the SC House of Representatives Office Bldg after Speaker Blatt, and they put a statue of Ben Tillman in front of the statehouse that Vincent Sheheen wants to tear down now…

I guess if your own history doesn’t matter to you then you’ll just pull for who’s currently winning.

HENCE, bandwagon coot*

http://www.sustainablefishing.org/

www.joinrfa.com

Luke 8:22-25

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Any real fans* of Winthrop out there want to tell us how bad of a guy Pitchfork Ben was?

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Luke 8:22-25

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Originally posted by pitviper0404
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Originally posted by Phin
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Originally posted by DFreedom

Why, because we don’t find your mindless ramblings entertaining or interesting?

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

The above history was not written by me, and it is far from mindless.

Furthermore, it is highly interesting to read someone’s attempt to provide an objective history of the two schools’ interaction with one another.

I thought that I could at least get Carolina people to care about your own school’s history it when it related to Clemson.

I was wrong, though. Y’all simply don’t care about what the two schools represent or how they became what they are at all.

So I understand now*

You don’t want to know. You’re afraid of it, perhaps?

I accept it. I accept Pitchfork Ben closing down your school when it failed to provide A&M education to middle and lower classes of the state, and I accept coots trying to prevent the school from ever even forming by trying to overturn a man’s last will and testament. I accept Sol Blatt, that guy that your campus has stuff named for everywhere, you know?, defunding Clemson Extension and taking away Clemson funding.

It’s all water under the bridge that is so boring and unentertaining!

It’s so boring that they named the SC House of Representatives Office Bldg after Speaker Blatt, and they put a statue of Ben Tillman in front of the statehouse that Vincent Sheheen wants to tear down now…

I guess if your own history doesn’t matter to you then

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Fact is, some are jumping ship, and I just hope a few learn about Clemson first- before they jump on our wagon!

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Luke 8:22-25

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I realized that none of this matters when you die.If that’s jumping the bandwagon where’s my trampoline?

From what I gathered on my own about old Ben,he didn’t mind throwing a rope over any limb just as long as it wouldn’t break…Thats history for ya…Some of the sh:t is true,some ain’t…people pick the sh:t they like and go about helping others do the same…

I’m going Fishin.

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I didn’t call it mindless because I thought you wrote it (I knew you didn’t), I called it mindless because you posted it. I guess no taters EVER jumped shipped in the last 5 years huh? Who exactly is jumping off any bandwagon? And, if they are, why would they jump on the tater wagon?

“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.

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quote:
Originally posted by cofcfishing

btw how did you come up with the name pitviper0404?

My guess is pitviper0403 was already taken?

quote:
Originally posted by Bolbie

…the harbor was slick as an eel pecker.

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This is just as relevant. Enjoy the read taters

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution as it was inscribed by Jacob Shallus on parchment (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) Items that are hyperlinked have since been amended or superseded. The authenticated text of the Constitution can be found on the website of the Government Printing Office.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article. I.

Section. 1.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as

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Founded in 1801, then-South Carolina College flourished pre-Civil War, overcame postwar struggles, was rechartered in 1906 as a university and transformed itself as a national institution in the 20th and 21st centuries.

South Carolina College, est. 1801

The Palmetto State established South Carolina College ? the precursor to the University of South Carolina ? on Dec. 19, 1801, as part of an effort to unite South Carolinians in the wake of the American Revolution. South Carolina’s leaders saw the new college as a way to promote “the good order and harmony” of the state.

The founding of South Carolina College was also a part of the Southern public college movement spurred by Thomas Jefferson. Within 20 years of one another, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia established state-supported colleges.

In the antebellum era, the Palmetto State generously supported South Carolina College. The institution featured a cosmopolitan faculty, including such noted European scholars as Francis Lieber and Thomas Cooper, as well as renowned American scholars John and Joseph LeConte. Offering a traditional classical curriculum, South Carolina College became one of the most influential colleges in the South before 1861, earning a reputation as the training ground for South Carolina’s antebellum elite.

The Horseshoe campus

The campus grew around the modified quadrangle of the Horseshoe. In 1805, four years after the college was chartered, its first building, Rutledge, was completed. Classes began that year with two faculty members and nine students.

As the only academic facility, Rutledge served as classroom, lab, library, chapel, and student and faculty housing until DeSaussure was completed on the north side of the Horseshoe in 1809. Throughout the next 38 years, the Horseshoe took shape with eight more buildings. (The Horseshoe’s 11th building, and the only one not built in the 19th century, is McKissick, completed in 1940.)

Robert Mills, the nation’s first federal architect and th

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One phrase that comes up again and again when talking to anyone related to the University is ?the Clemson Family.? From the beginning it has been about family.

It?s because of the Calhoun and Clemson families? generosity and vision for the future that Clemson University came to be.

Calhoun and Clemson family connections

John C. Calhoun and Floride Bonneau Colhoun Calhoun ? John C. Calhoun moved to what is now called the city of Clemson in 1825 ? and the blueprint for the region was forever changed. During his lifetime, John C. Calhoun served in the S.C. Legislature, the U.S. Congress and the Cabinet, and he twice served as U.S. vice president. It was his estate that ultimately became Clemson University after Mrs. Calhoun left it to their daughter Anna Maria, who then left it to her husband, Thomas Green Clemson.

Anna Maria Calhoun Clemson ? Graceful and interested in politics, Anna married Thomas G. Clemson at age 21. Upon her death, it was her wish that her husband preserve her father?s house and use the land for a state agricultural college.

Thomas Green Clemson ? Recognized as the father of this extended family, Thomas Clemson had a great impact on our country?s politics, serving as an ambassador to Belgium under four U.S. presidents and then as the first secretary of agriculture. It was after Clemson married into the Calhoun family that his interests in agriculture grew. Upon his death in 1888, he left his estate and his fortune for the betterment of education in South Carolina.

The establishment of Clemson Agricultural College

In his will, Thomas Green Clemson left the Fort Hill plantation and a large part of his personal estate to establish what would become Clemson University.

In November 1889, Gov. John Peter Richardson signed the bill accepting Thomas Clemson?s gift, which established the Clemson Agricultural College, with its trustees becoming custodians of Morrill Act and Hatch Act funds made available for agricultural education and research purposes by federal legislative acts.

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I am going to use “tater wagon” in the future if that’s alright.

I will use an *