No Red snapper season this year, not because the ACS where exceeded too far but the annual dead lost was way over. I spoke to people at NOAA and SAFM and both said they use fishing sites and social media to gather info on what is being harvested and when. It is a cheap and easy way for them to gather info that promotes their agenda.
Wow that helps a bunch…Did you hear this this morning and decide to break the newsflash on the big day??
I remember *****ing at people about posting about fish floating off… And, I was met with great discord! This is EXACTLY the reason why I get bent out of shape about it. Hate to say it, but I told you so… Fact of the matter remains, if you handle a fish with care and do not take him into the boat, there is a 95% chance he will live. And I don’t give a rat’s ass if you are incapable of handling a fish. If you can’t figure it out, keep it to yourself. This is what posting about fish floating off on the internet get’s you… Their discard mortality rates are WAY off, and the ONLY reason we are in this mess.
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So why exactly do u post reports?
Exactly they dont need to know everything somethings are best kept hush.
People need to use a fish release device. There are several kinds out there, this is my homemade one…
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Originally posted by tunahuttcape
So why exactly do u post reports?
Seen a bunch lately have you???
Post what the hell you want,used to be a free country
The problem is we sit by pay our taxes,work hard and think that by being civil and courteous enough to let the system work,it will.
The libs do exactly the opposite and get every (**() thing they want…
Haley should be drug over the coals in the media for appointing this a-hole in the first place…Yea,Yea,Yea,she can’t do nuttin…She hasn’t been held accountable for none of this BS.NONE
I know it’s a free country but just because u can do something doesn’t mean there is not a consequence
I don’t know if you post reports because I dont read them (all reports)
I do believe that we have done an injustice by not voicing ourselves better
I have always just wondered what anybody, not just you got out of posting?
Look to the pie my friend.
Tunahutt, “looking to the pie” shows you are a selfish prick, imo.
That is saying, ‘I want my share, hell with others’. There are many good reasons to post reports, only one bad reason, “the pie”, until.this report.
So, let’s use reason ing, and not report the dead portion of the report. “Share and share alike”, “scratch my back, etc”, boasting, lots of reasons people post, but I DO BELIEVE that most are for the right reasons.
The fact you NEVER read reports implies you are a secretive, buddy group kind of guy, andnobody complains about you guys, and you didn’t complain about the rest.
MOST reports fall far short of GREAT, so, very little damage done, imo, to the resources due to reports. I TRUST that most people will not report enormous catches, at least not accurately. People pressing for the exact numbers is the worst element, imo.
Thanks for the report, good info for sure.
“The big one’s still swimming, let’s go.”
I post to share with others like me that could possibly use the information to their advantage. I post the good and the not so good reports. What I post is literally hear say, right? Did it really even happen or I do I make it up? I post accurate information, but does everyone? Regardless, I find it enjoyable to read about others adventures and trips…the catch is just a bonus in my opinion. So, please keep posting and sharing if you enjoy the reading of them. And yes, lots of things could be better in our country, but things could be a whole lot worse. It will take a generation of dedicated and hardcore sacrifice to make a true change. Are you willing? Am I willing? Just my $.02
Mac I see no reason to attack someone personally if you do not know them. I am also aware that I’m on enemy ground posting this opinion. The pie is not ment to be a selfish remark, but it is a plain and very simple fact!! Anytime there is a limit reasorce the more attention brought to it negativly effects it, and keep in mind that we are not the ones that decide how limited it is. I share info with my friends and you if you just ask. I understand that I’m a fossil and that people might not agree with my point of view, but I can promise you I have solid understanding of reason I feel the way I do.
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I spoke to people at NOAA and SAFM and both said they use fishing sites and social media to gather info on what is being harvested and when.
Do you really believe that? If that’s the case then why don’t they take the information that’s really being put out there on social media? When I read the reports, I conclude the stock is healthy and rebuilt. I read that they (SAFMC)don’t know how to count fish or where to go to find a fish to count. I read that anglers are catching more ARS than they have in many years, they are almost to the point that you can’t get away from them.
These guys…SAFMC, NOAAA…will stop at nothing to promote the “AGENDA” I don’t think it’s to save the Red Snapper, I believe it is to lure you into accepting Catch Shares as a method of stock management.
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if the fish stocks are recovered, the tools on the SAFMC board won’t have a job. Tough life getting paid to go to nice resorts and get paid to take away YOUR rights to harvest fish. Hey board members…THERE ARE MORE RED SNAPPER OUT THERE NOW THAN AT ANY TIME IN THE 80’S OR 90’S. Politics and fishing don’t mix!
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quote:100%. I know for a fact it's true and I've heard a few of them mention this website. It's not so much the reports, it's the report of fish floating off. People type in asinine stuff like, "It's a shame we had to let them float off instead of being able to keep them". Their rationale is that they think SAFMC will say, "OK, since they are dying anyway, you can keep them", but it actually has the opposite effect.
Originally posted by RDWDo you really believe that? If that’s the case then why don’t they take the information that’s really being put out there on social media?
The conversation has always been about release mortality. Basically, they figure that 50% of red snapper die when caught. Other studies have shown that it’s only 15%, but SAFMC and SEDAR use the most conservative estimate. So, when people posts about fish “floating off”, it only confirms their confidence of using the 50% number which I am sure is incorrect. We caught 30+ red snapper last weekend and the only 3 that floated off were mishandled (I wasn’t quick enough to realize what was going on). If people learn to leave the fish in the water and de-hook them at the water line and use a release device, then 95% of them will make it back down to the bottom.
And just so you know, 50% and 15% do not sound like a lot of difference, but it’s the EXACT reason why they are not giving us a season this year. When they plug 50% as the catch mortality rate into their formula it gave them a number that says we were over quota.
skinee,
any word on the release device study? i read it was promising so far, and hopefully it will help to reduce the discard mortality estimates. mabe it will put some more catch allotment into the fishbox instead of back into the water.
been using one for a couple years and have yet to have a floater. i have a weighted gopro pole, so this year i will attach my descent device to the bottom and angle the camera so that i can get video of the fish doing their death spiral at the top and then successful release at depth. would this be of benefit to the council or researchers?
Skinnee- You seem to be agreeing with tunahutt to an extent. Yet, this is your tally from the other day:
50 Triggerfish
25 Vermillion (footballs)
30+ Red snapper (released)
1 AJ
3 white grunts
5 red porgy
12 BSB with some more released
3 Gag Grouper (1 on R&R)
1 Scamp Grouper
1 Alpha hogfish (15lbs)
6 lobsters (up to 13lbs
Now, nowhere does it say you kept all that but since you specifically list the ARS and some bsb as released, I would assume you kept the rest. Well within your limits I’m sure as you are a smart guy. Maybe outside of some folks “personal” limits albeit…
So do you think that SAFMC should believe that the other 27 snapper you saw swim off lived? Isn’t mortality just from the trauma of being hooked? I would think they would be adding the 10% you KNOW died to the 15-50% that MIGHT have died.
Please explain exactly what should or should not be posted so we do not misguide the SAFMC or NOAA.
Tunahutt just wants us to not say a thing, and to be honest, I am starting to agree with him.
quote:It's up to you. Post what you want. In my post the only reason I posted about "floaters" is to educate people that can be released if they care. I'm VERY confident that our fish was way under the 50% that they believe. Also, #1 cause of death is not barotrauma, but "hooking mortality", of which I could very easily see where they were hooked.
Originally posted by CourtlandSkinnee- You seem to be agreeing with tunahutt to an extent. Yet, this is your tally from the other day:
50 Triggerfish
25 Vermillion (footballs)
30+ Red snapper (released)
1 AJ
3 white grunts
5 red porgy
12 BSB with some more released
3 Gag Grouper (1 on R&R)
1 Scamp Grouper
1 Alpha hogfish (15lbs)
6 lobsters (up to 13lbsNow, nowhere does it say you kept all that but since you specifically list the ARS and some bsb as released, I would assume you kept the rest. Well within your limits I’m sure as you are a smart guy. Maybe outside of some folks “personal” limits albeit…
So do you think that SAFMC should believe that the other 27 snapper you saw swim off lived? Isn’t mortality just from the trauma of being hooked? I would think they would be adding the 10% you KNOW died to the 15-50% that MIGHT have died.
Please explain exactly what should or should not be posted so we do not misguide the SAFMC or NOAA.
Tunahutt just wants us to not say a thing, and to be honest, I am starting to agree with him.
But literally, I’ve seen people say that “all” or “most” fish float off. I’m not sure why people would post something like that. We caught almost 200 fish and I saw 4 floaters. The 4th was a baby sea bass…
Honestly, it doesn’t matter though. You guys still can’t get people to stop posting pictures of themselves holding sailfish illegally in the boat. So, it really doesn’t matter wh
quote:Honestly, it doesn't matter though. You guys still can't get people to stop posting pictures of themselves holding sailfish illegally in the boat. So, it really doesn't matter what other advice we give anyway... [/quote]
Originally posted by skinneej
When is the last time the sailfish limits changed?
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Originally posted by Courtlandquote:Honestly, it doesn't matter though. You guys still can't get people to stop posting pictures of themselves holding sailfish illegally in the boat. So, it really doesn't matter what other advice we give anyway...
Originally posted by skinneej
When is the last time the sailfish limits changed?
My point wasn’t about the species. It was more that if you can’t even talk someone to not post incriminating evidence of themselves, then this whole discussion is moot…
I can give an argument for why I want the SAFMC to know that I caught more red snapper than grouper, bsb, red porgies, grunts, combined. Heck, we caught more red snapper than vermilion. We had to change tactics and move to avoid them. I want them to know this. But if you don’t see how it’s ridiculous to post for someone to say that they caught 20 and all of them floated off, then there is nothing I can say to change your mind.