So what did we learn from the last three pages?
quote:They are not trying to "close fishing". They want to restrict a large area of fishing grounds to preserve the spawning stock. It's not much different fr
Originally posted by claimquote:
[i]Originally posted by skinneej The evidence says otherwise... Catch shares are a SMALL issue compared to MPA's... Why would corporations be pushing MPA's??? Doesn't fit the accusation...Catch share costs also cut into the profit margin… Will I pay $20 for a catch share of 1 lb of grouper that I will sell for $5 per lb? No… How can they bid up catch shares if the market dictates what fish will sell for?
It’s just my guess that MPA’s are a tool to scare people. Threaten closing off all fishing into an MPA UNLESS we go for a catch share system and then everything would be open…to the catch share holder. The catch share holder would have quotas they can catch…just like the crab boats in Alaska. They have catch shares with allowable pounds of quota which can be bought or sold. A few weeks ago the Wizard was complaining that the guy that had a share quota holder cut back on the amount he was willing to sell to the Wizard on a king crab share.
There is no money in closing fishing…no money from licenses, no money in tax revenue from boats and equipment, bait, clothing and everything else involved in the coastal marine industry.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dadEquipment:
190cc Sea Pro w/130 Johnson
1- 20 year old (boy of leisure)
1 - 17 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)ECFC
Here is the dream:
http://safmc.net/Meetings/CouncilMeetings/March152010/Amend17Asummary.pdf
This is THEIR MAP, not mine!!!
They thought they had it nailed here and tipped their hand a bit early. This is where they wanted to close ALL BOTTOMFISHING SEAWARD OF 98’… Think about that… Basically they are “protecting” the ledge from Myrtle Beach down to Vero Beach. But, they would allow bottom fishing in 98’.
Everyone knows that the ledge acts as a super highway for bottom fish that move up and down the coast and in and out of the shallower zones.
Their feeling is that if they can “protect” this zone, then fishermen can have the scraps that fall inshore of 98’.
Their misguided vision is that the ledge is the top part of the popcorn machine where you put all of the kernels and hot oil in, and the area inshore of 98’ is like the bottom of the popcorn machine where the fresh popcorn flows out for harvest.
That does suck a lot. I’d suggest artificial reefs as a defense, but they’d probably want to gerrymander those into the MPA’s as well.
People really need to understand and there is a lot of confusion about what’s happening. Hopefully, discussions like ours get people involved.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dad
Equipment:
190cc Sea Pro w/130 Johnson
1- 20 year old (boy of leisure)
1 - 17 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
If you quit posting that red snapper are caught, they will think, “there is no recreational fishery for it.”
I have heard it come out of the mouths of both commercial guys and staff:
“There is no recreational snowy grouper fishery.”
I went and broke the state record before they closed 240ft+ just to prove a point.
“There is no recreational golden tilefish fishery.”
Really? Went and did that in a 21ft boat 2 weeks before they closed it to make a point about that. Did it 2 weeks ago in a 25ft boat when I heard they were closing it June 7… but didn’t post about it-
Should I have?
“There is no hook and line hogfish fishery.”
Really now?
Where is sellsfish?
You would be amazed at what perceptions other “stakeholders” have of our stuff.
Not posting any red snapper at all would be pointed to by them as evidence that none are caught and therefore stocks are in danger!
Think about what you say before you post it. I will post all day long that I cannot shallow water grouper fish or c bass fish like I used to be able to because the chicken red snapper are too thick. Guess what they’ll say? They’ll say that smaller snapper in high numbers indicates an unhealthy stock. That was parroted to me straight from the CCA when they refused to help us fight the red snapper closure, boys.
It doesn’t matter what you say or post.
BUT
What is the truth? I say post it, and if you’re stupid enough to post about stupid decisions, then the skinneej’s of the www will let you know about it by and by.
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Luke 8:22-25
quote:If they want to chase the pipe dream of MPA's, then let them create them on sandy bottom and spend a few million bucks of government money to fill them up with substrate. I have no problem with that, if they want to "invest" in the fishery. But, taking away something that you fished with your father and his father before that? No way... Not needed.
Originally posted by claimThat does suck a lot. I’d suggest artificial reefs as a defense, but they’d probably want to gerrymander those into the MPA’s as well.
People really need to understand and there is a lot of confusion about what’s happening. Hopefully, discussions like ours get people involved.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dadEquipment:
190cc Sea Pro w/130 Johnson
1- 20 year old (boy of leisure)
1 - 17 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)ECFC
On our coastal plain, only about 5% is suitable for fish habitat. The rest is sandy bottom. This desert of sand is screaming, “DEVELOP ME”!!! It’s like 100 people fighting over a single chocolate pie instead of talking about how to create 50 more pies so everyone can eat their fill…
The population get’s bigger every year… The available live bottom does NOT. It’s really a no-brainer. Increasing demand requires increasing capacity.
They don’t want that skinnee. They want preserves and then market control over what’s left- and very little bycatch. That will generate the revenue they need for them to never have to explain much to Congress. They’ll never have to do stock assessments or look at angry fishermen at public hearing formalities again…
Why do you think MPA’s, VMS, and catch shares continually come back onto the table?
PEW and EDF would love to be able to just buy part of an annual ACL and tell their benefactors how the money was spent. What’s more, they would also love buying and selling those shares like a stock.
They want the closed areas also because they know that when you make each lb of fish so hard to get from them, that the pressure will be intense on the areas where it’s most efficient to fish. It’s all bass ackwards really. If you want the most wealth generated in a fishery, where you can afford “sustainability,” you don’t skim artificial gains off the top for shareholders or management entity, and you don’t force people to fish where it takes the most effort to catch. Don’t worry though, some of the commercial guys are gut hooked on this lie called catch shares because they’re told that fish prices will continue to sky rocket when there’s less supply on the market. Just be one of the few lucky ones who did what it took to get on the list. Then pray the government doesn’t cut the ACL on you without much notice. That’s a great way to run a business, right?
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Luke 8:22-25
Oh, I know what they want… But we have to come up with alternatives that pen them into a legal corner. If they can convince a judge in a lawsuit that their way is the ONLY way, then they get what they want. If we show the judge that there are other viable alternatives, it might force them to do the right thing… We just can’t continue to let them paint a false dilemma for us. There are more options than “to close or not to close?”… I just want to make sure that the legal system hears the TRUE options, not the ones presented with the SAFMC filter turned on.
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Originally posted by PhinIf you quit posting that red snapper are caught, they will think, “there is no recreational fishery for it.”
I have heard it come out of the mouths of both commercial guys and staff:
“There is no recreational snowy grouper fishery.”
I went and broke the state record before they closed 240ft+ just to prove a point.“There is no recreational golden tilefish fishery.”
Really? Went and did that in a 21ft boat 2 weeks before they closed it to make a point about that. Did it 2 weeks ago in a 25ft boat when I heard they were closing it June 7… but didn’t post about it-
Should I have?“There is no hook and line hogfish fishery.”
Really now?
Where is sellsfish?You would be amazed at what perceptions other “stakeholders” have of our stuff.
Not posting any red snapper at all would be pointed to by them as evidence that none are caught and therefore stocks are in danger!
Think about what you say before you post it. I will post all day long that I cannot shallow water grouper fish or c bass fish like I used to be able to because the chicken red snapper are too thick. Guess what they’ll say? They’ll say that smaller snapper in high numbers indicates an unhealthy stock. That was parroted to me straight from the CCA when they refused to help us fight the red snapper closure, boys.
It doesn’t matter what you say or post.
BUT
What is the truth? I say post it, and if you’re stupid enough to post about stupid decisions, then the skinneej’s of the www will let you know about it by and by.
http://www.sustainablefishing.org/
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
I think that’s stretching things a bit, no? It’s no secret that any Johnny O can fish for red snapper from 60’ to 200’. On the other hand, the number of recreational folks wh
All you need to catch a snowy is a reel that will hold 600/800 feet of line a 16 ounce weight and some bait. They aren’t even that picky eaters from what I have experienced.
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Originally posted by RedstripeAll you need to catch a snowy is a reel that will hold 600/800 feet of line a 16 ounce weight and some bait. They aren’t even that picky eaters from what I have experienced.
And how many folks have the wreck numbers where snowys are? Thanks to internet idiot fishermen who eschew the old school mentality, I’m sure more than should have them…but still, not that many.
Next time you come in, come heavy, or not at all…
quote:It's so exciting to drive 70 miles to catch my ONE snowy...
Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by RedstripeAll you need to catch a snowy is a reel that will hold 600/800 feet of line a 16 ounce weight and some bait. They aren’t even that picky eaters from what I have experienced.
And how many folks have the wreck numbers where snowys are? Thanks to internet idiot fishermen who eschew the old school mentality, I’m sure more than should have them…but still, not that many.
Next time you come in, come heavy, or not at all…
quote:
Originally posted by skinneejHere is the dream:
http://safmc.net/Meetings/CouncilMeetings/March152010/Amend17Asummary.pdf
This is THEIR MAP, not mine!!!
They thought they had it nailed here and tipped their hand a bit early. This is where they wanted to close ALL BOTTOMFISHING SEAWARD OF 98’… Think about that… Basically they are “protecting” the ledge from Myrtle Beach down to Vero Beach. But, they would allow bottom fishing in 98’.
Everyone knows that the ledge acts as a super highway for bottom fish that move up and down the coast and in and out of the shallower zones.
Their feeling is that if they can “protect” this zone, then fishermen can have the scraps that fall inshore of 98’.
Their misguided vision is that the ledge is the top part of the popcorn machine where you put all of the kernels and hot oil in, and the area inshore of 98’ is like the bottom of the popcorn machine where the fresh popcorn flows out for harvest.
Good Lord! That is absolutely ludicrous!
I just kind of looked at your map and thought you were just picking the best bottom fishing and posting… then I actually looked at the link WOW!!
Not like a lot actually have the capabilities to fish this area, but to close it!!! The few recreational fishers that are fishing this area would be hard pressed to impact Red Snapper… or any other species.
Fred, that is 98 feet out to 300. That’s the area we all fish for bottom dwellers. Not sure what you mean about capabilities. That is where red snapper are caught.
quote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:It's so exciting to drive 70 miles to catch my ONE snowy...
Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by RedstripeAll you need to catch a snowy is a reel that will hold 600/800 feet of line a 16 ounce weight and some bait. They aren’t even that picky eaters from what I have experienced.
And how many folks have the wreck numbers where snowys are? Thanks to internet idiot fishermen who eschew the old school mentality, I’m sure more than should have them…but still, not that many.
Next time you come in, come heavy, or not at all…
Do it now and you just might catch a few slingers to add to that one snowy.
quote:I'm starting to feel tingles...
Originally posted by capehorn 16Do it now and you just might catch a few slingers to add to that one snowy.
It’s a rare fisherman IMO that thinks of 600/800ft. deep with a one pound sinker is sporty fun. It’s all work and no fun to me.
19ft. Carolina Skiff
w/115hp Yamaha 4stroke
27ft. Contender
w/twin 225hp Yamaha 4stroke
A…Snows are not on wrecks. …They are on coral etc, in 300/500 feet of water. You just have to had put in the time to know know where they are…Like everything else. B…if you are trolling the ledge…you are already there…duhhh. We got the numbers and will pickup our limit every time we are offshore. …
Oh…and yeah…catching them isn’t very sporting honestly. Once you bring them up 150 feet they are pretty much dead. They sure do eat good though. May as well pickup one while you are out there.
I HEARD JULY 1 COMMERCIAL IS 200 POUNDS NOT SURE BUT I HOPE IT WONT TAKE LONG