Oh Crap…If NOAA sees this one fish they may take away our one fish limit…dang…
YOU BLEW IT FOR EVERYBODY MY ARM WILL GET BETTER
LMK if you wanna go get our limit end of next week.
quote:Snowys definitely frequent wrecks too!
Originally posted by RedstripeA…Snows are not on wrecks. …They are on coral etc, in 300/500 feet of water. You just have to had put in the time to know know where they are…Like everything else. B…if you are trolling the ledge…you are already there…duhhh. We got the numbers and will pickup our limit every time we are offshore. …
I’m sure. We just get them in deep water hard bottom up out a MI. It’s a good ride.Thats why the fishing is so good. If you really want solitude go about 50 miles due east of MI.
Any wrecks in 350 feet of water are hush hush. I know about an airplane wreck, but it’s in like 125’
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Originally posted by RedstripeA…Snows are not on wrecks. …They are on coral etc, in 300/500 feet of water. You just have to had put in the time to know know where they are…Like everything else. B…if you are trolling the ledge…you are already there…duhhh. We got the numbers and will pickup our limit every time we are offshore. …
Wrong…
Next time you come in, come heavy, or not at all…
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Originally posted by AfishianadoIt’s a rare fisherman IMO that thinks of 600/800ft. deep with a one pound sinker is sporty fun. It’s all work and no fun to me.
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Its 3-5lbs of lead and its a freaking blast, haha. Kind of like crossfit.
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Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by PhinIf you quit posting that red snapper are caught, they will think, “there is no recreational fishery for it.”
I have heard it come out of the mouths of both commercial guys and staff:
“There is no recreational snowy grouper fishery.”
I went and broke the state record before they closed 240ft+ just to prove a point.“There is no recreational golden tilefish fishery.”
Really? Went and did that in a 21ft boat 2 weeks before they closed it to make a point about that. Did it 2 weeks ago in a 25ft boat when I heard they were closing it June 7… but didn’t post about it-
Should I have?“There is no hook and line hogfish fishery.”
Really now?
Where is sellsfish?You would be amazed at what perceptions other “stakeholders” have of our stuff.
Not posting any red snapper at all would be pointed to by them as evidence that none are caught and therefore stocks are in danger!
Think about what you say before you post it. I will post all day long that I cannot shallow water grouper fish or c bass fish like I used to be able to because the chicken red snapper are too thick. Guess what they’ll say? They’ll say that smaller snapper in high numbers indicates an unhealthy stock. That was parroted to me straight from the CCA when they refused to help us fight the red snapper closure, boys.
It doesn’t matter what you say or post.
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What is the truth? I say post it, and if you’re stupid enough to post about stupid decisions, then the skinneej’s of the www will let you know about it by and by.
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One more thing to note (getting off track here)… Fishery participation changes. The commercial fleet is shrinking and the recreational fleet is growing… Technology is getting better and more recreational participants are entering fisheries that they did not fish 10-30 years ago. So, why does the commercial\recreational split stay the same, when the trend is growing inversely to the split? Seems that over time, the commercial quota would get smaller and recreational get bigger. About the only fishery I can think of around here that has little potential for recreational angling is wreckfish, but even that might change one day.
Tilefish in the Canyons were always a bycatch when the trolling sucked. So much so, that guys are going just for tiles now and hoping for tuna. A shift in species…
Guess what just happened after the last dock shot of 100’s of recreational tilefish from a charter. Yup, new limits on tiles, seemingly out of nowhere.
Since I’m bored, I will stoked this fire.
Most fishermen are not great fishermen. If there is a fish that you can catch 60 in a day(dolphin) or swims up to the boat with its mouth open(cobia) and you crush them.,what have you really accomplished? Did you test yourself? Does bringing back 100’s of #'s of dead fish make you more of a man?
No, of course not. It may make up for the rest of the times you go out and catch nothing. It may be that you are a charter and have to post those pics to get business. Or a tackle guy that needs new content all the time to stay relevant:smiley:
Not every fisherman has the same skill set. Not everyone has the same time on the water or resources. Not everyone wants to drop a line down 500’ and reel up a dead weight(snowy). I believe if it were not “cool” or “new” many people wouldn’t even post about these things. Things would happen in silence or not at all because all you would end up with is a dead fish. People would do it because they actually loved it!
Many of us have such boring lives that we live on social media hoping that we get cool points from knowing someone or seeing something that we will never do on our own. Voyeurism, 24/7, just to make us feel better about our crappy lives…Get an “atta boy” for killing 60 dolphin…what is Jimmy going to strive for next time? No real secret.
I am all for a first on/first killed fish system with a #limit per trip. If you stumble onto something then take advantage of it, you don’t need release tools, tape measure, nothing but a scale. Makes total sense to me. Then Fish and Game Bureaus can spend time managing instead of enforcing and writing new rules.
Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t always felt this
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Originally posted by AfishianadoIt’s a rare fisherman IMO that thinks of 600/800ft. deep with a one pound sinker is sporty fun. It’s all work and no fun to me.
Fun? Absolutely! Work? Yeah, that’s involved as well in catching fish.
We catch fish because we like it. I love eating them. We target the fish that taste the best to us.
I enjoy sticking the gaff in a fat fish and most of the time I’m pretty sure I am already thinking about the different ways to cook them.
We give a decent bit of fish away too. I’ve got friends and family that can’t fish offshore but still love to eat them.
I have people ask for fish, I don’t mind sharing with people who truly appreciate it. The people who told me they put it in the freezer to “save” get passed by after the next trip.
The fact that there are recreational guys fishing means there is a fishery.
They have effectively eliminated a large portion of recreational anglers in all bottom fishing from a regulations standpoint. A lot of people don’t want to deal with it and worry about maybe getting a ticket for something they missed.
quote:All it does is encourage culling and swapping out dead fish for something better. Whatever was in the box, ends up being bait. Everything in the box keeps getting traded out for something better. Once you put it in the box, it's dead. Do you really think people are going to run out 30-50 miles, keep the first 60lbs of fish they touch and then head home? Heck no. Most people are looking to make a full day out of fishing so that they don't have to get back home and cut grass.
Originally posted by CourtlandI am all for a first on/first killed fish system with a #limit per trip. If you stumble onto something then take advantage of it, you don’t need release tools, tape measure, nothing but a scale. Makes total sense to me. Then Fish and Game Bureaus can spend time managing instead of enforcing and writing new rules.
Believe it or not, some of us actually like the way that bag limits\species limits are set up. For me 90% of the fun of bottom fishing is targeting several different species in one day.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:All it does is encourage culling and swapping out dead fish for something better. Whatever was in the box, ends up being bait. Everything in the box keeps getting traded out for something better. Once you put it in the box, it's dead. Do you really think people are going to run out 30-50 miles, keep the first 60lbs of fish they touch and then head home? Heck no. Most people are looking to make a full day out of fishing so that they don't have to get back home and cut grass.
Originally posted by CourtlandI am all for a first on/first killed fish system with a #limit per trip. If you stumble onto something then take advantage of it, you don’t need release tools, tape measure, nothing but a scale. Makes total sense to me. Then Fish and Game Bureaus can spend time managing instead of enforcing and writing new rules.
Believe it or not, some of us actually like the way that bag limits\species limits are set up. For me 90% of the fun of bottom fishing is targeting several different species in one day.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:All it does is encourage culling and swapping out dead fish for something better. Whatever was in the box, ends up being bait. Everything in the box keeps getting traded out for something better. Once you put it in the box, it's dead. Do you really think people are going to run out 30-50 miles, keep the first 60lbs of fish they touch and then head home? Heck no. Most people are looking to make a full day out of fishing so that they don't have to get back home and cut grass.
Originally posted by CourtlandI am all for a first on/first killed fish system with a #limit per trip. If you stumble onto something then take advantage of it, you don’t need release tools, tape measure, nothing but a scale. Makes total sense to me. Then Fish and Game Bureaus can spend time managing instead of enforcing and writing new rules.
Believe it or not, some of us actually like the way that bag limits\species limits are set up. For me 90% of the fun of bottom fishing is targeting several different species in one day.
This is the mentality I speak of. Trading out for something better…upgrading your box…I didn’t say go home, I said stop killing. Nobody said you had to keep the first AJ and that was it.
What I mean by “first on” is box-worthy eating fish. If your so good at targeting certain species this should not be an issue.
Once you hit #60 of b-liners and triggers how much fun is it to catch the 61st. pound?
If there wasn’t the mentality of having to bring a “box full” home it would be different.
As far as targeting species…c’mon, you see how I fish
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Originally posted by Courtlandquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:All it does is encourage culling and swapping out dead fish for something better. Whatever was in the box, ends up being bait. Everything in the box keeps getting traded out for something better. Once you put it in the box, it's dead. Do you really think people are going to run out 30-50 miles, keep the first 60lbs of fish they touch and then head home? Heck no. Most people are looking to make a full day out of fishing so that they don't have to get back home and cut grass.
Originally posted by CourtlandI am all for a first on/first killed fish system with a #limit per trip. If you stumble onto something then take advantage of it, you don’t need release tools, tape measure, nothing but a scale. Makes total sense to me. Then Fish and Game Bureaus can spend time managing instead of enforcing and writing new rules.
Believe it or not, some of us actually like the way that bag limits\species limits are set up. For me 90% of the fun of bottom fishing is targeting several different species in one day.
This is the mentality I speak of. Trading out for something better…upgrading your box…I didn’t say go home, I said stop killing. Nobody said you had to keep the first AJ and that was it.
Didn’t say it was my mentality. Just telling you what the “norm” is going to be. That being said, Waugh mentioned to me "ho
I know that you like to debate and will do so like the energizer bunny. I will wave the white flag for the sake of continuing positive conversation.
I would also say that you and Phin are in the minority of fishermen and have the ability to target certain species at will.
A trip limit would make it easier on the 95% that are not like you either. The folks that get there 1 day a month regardless of weather/moon/current/temperature…
Wouldn’t it be better for the large majority to be able to keep what they catch. I seriously doubt MOST fishermen catch #60 of fish in a day.
Please keep in mind that the AVERAGE fisherman in the United States spends $106 per year on fishing. That is right, $106/YEAR!!!
We are discussing laws for 40-60 million anglers that do not know creel limits/species/time of year that’s best/etc.
Who are these laws really for? Not the guy in the 60’ sporty, not for you, not for me.
Do they ask you for a license when you go to the public golf course on Saturday morning? That is why there is no traction for our views. We are not adding anglers or new blood.
We need to make it EASIER for people to fish and enjoy themselves. Not to see if Skinneej can fit the 30th c-bass on top of his 9th grouper.
Good conversation, Men. It’s nice to see some intelligent discussions. 
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Whatever was in the box, ends up being bait. Everything in the box keeps getting traded out for something better. Once you put it in the box, it's dead.
Not necessarily. I confess guilty to sometimes culling up with grouper, but they are culled in a 60 gallon live well and they aren’t dead when they get culled and go back in the water. Very healthy actually. Culling from a cooler is a whole nother issue. Wanton waste of wildlife is what I would call that 
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