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I doubt you've ever been in true five-footers in that boat.
Lord help us. 5’ ain’t even a good sea. There are those who know, those who don’t know, and those that who ain’t even got a clue, but continue to give advice.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
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Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
I doubt you've ever been in true five-footers in that boat.
Lord help us. 5’ ain’t even a good sea. There are those who know, those who don’t know, and those that who ain’t even got a clue, but continue to give advice.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
lol…that’s quite a statement right there. I know why there’s no live bottom within three miles of the beach in South Carolina…do you, captain?
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
And just so the less experienced folks on this board aren’t misled by Larry, five feet is a hell of sea…don’t be fooled. If you are in true five foot seas, you’ll never forget it. “Ain’t even a good sea” my ass…
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
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When I want you to have an opinion, I'll give it to you...
me thinks this says enough…
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Yep. If a charter boat captain couldn’t fish in a 5’ sea, he would starve to death. It might keep the Warbler home, but not me. To each their own.
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If you are in true five foot seas, you'll never forget it. "Ain't even a good sea" my ass...
Yep, blowing bubbles out of your ass again.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
I’ve fished many small craft advisories in my 26’ boat. 4-6 is rough, but not scary. It’s not something I like to beat through 60 miles in, but it ain’t causing me to abort mission. I’ve got dozens of people on CF.com that can confirm. I’ve also fished in steep 5-7’s in Florida where I was only a few miles offshore. Also in 6-8 foot rollers. Oh, and I check the buoy when I get my butt handed to me.
Larry is right. Steep 5 footers ain’t going to make for a good hair day but definitely fishable.
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Originally posted by skinneejI’ve fished many small craft advisories in my 26’ boat. 4-6 is rough, but not scary. It’s not something I like to beat through 60 miles in, but it ain’t causing me to abort mission. I’ve got dozens of people on CF.com that can confirm. I’ve also fished in steep 5-7’s in Florida where I was only a few miles offshore. Also in 6-8 foot rollers. Oh, and I check the buoy when I get my butt handed to me.
Larry is right. Steep 5 footers ain’t going to make for a good hair day but definitely fishable.
Why?
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
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Why?
A good charter boat captain will have 300 days out of 365 pre-booked and deposits paid. People plan their vacation time around you, come from way out of town, book hotel rooms, and they expect to fish when they get here. You can’t reschedule, because they are on limited time and other people are booked for other days. Unless it’s blowing better than gale force, we fished. If we could get past the sea buoy, we fish. Got boat payments to make, promises to keep, and never yet failed to bring everybody home that I left the dock with.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
I fall into Larry’s scenarios-except I’m not a professional ( hence the name “Low Expectations”). We fish only for fun. I tell my guests I’m turning around and go home if the majority get ill. I’ve returned when even 1 gets ill in sporty conditions. Also I’ve pushed on when the guests want to-particularly if they are experienced and can manage their seasickness. Some guests schedule months in advance, won’t return for another year, and so want to give it a try. Even if the trip is shortened, and few fish caught, they go home with a story-some seem to enjoy the tales of the sporty day as much as the days of many fish.
Beyond that, it’s time management and fuel to manage the high height and/or short interval days.
In Feb we fished for sails in Islamorada. I asked the mate if there were sea states for which the captain would cancel the charter and he responded, “yes, these”. The 3rd day we fished in waves to 8 ft ( some breaking) , hooked 8 sails, and went home.
Years ago I crewed blue water deliveries. You can’t just “go home” when you’re days out into the ocean. You learn safety first, then comfort, then headway toward the destination.
I apply the same, on a much smaller scale, with friends- and head home when the " fun factor" gets low. Even more odd, all my guests come back again.
But yes, that gets the boat out in > 4 ft ers.
Thanks Larry, I never had that many days booked, Around Charleston 20 weeks is a good charter year unless your willing to re-locate in the winter. On head boats we booked about 26 weeks. 5’ seas were very do-able , and often I found the pelagic bite was better, and the bottom bite was often better too. On head boats I think the rocking boat helped newbies hook the fish they never felt. Do you remember how the seasick customers often got better when you hooked up a big fish?
When your all booked up for weeks ahead, and a gale comes to town, she made the money go backwards. I hated that!
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Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
Why?
A good charter boat captain will have 300 days out of 365 pre-booked and deposits paid. People plan their vacation time around you, come from way out of town, book hotel rooms, and they expect to fish when they get here. You can’t reschedule, because they are on limited time and other people are booked for other days. Unless it’s blowing better than gale force, we fished. If we could get past the sea buoy, we fish. Got boat payments to make, promises to keep, and never yet failed to bring everybody home that I left the dock with.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
quote:For the same reason I listen to the TV while I have the stereo on...
Originally posted by WarblerWhy?
Warbler, what sea state do you consider it if a 27ft boston whaler can’t go directly into the wind or directly downwind without getting green water over the bow and has to zig zag to get home?
Less than 5ft seas?
What about if you’re in a boat fishing 100ft away from a 20ft Bertram and every few seconds you cannot even see the top of its antenna?
Less than 5ft seas?
Finally, what if you’re halibut fishing 15 miles away from a snow covered volcano in Alaska and the volcano disappears when you go into a wave trough (that’s when you’re reeling hard, btw).
Less than 5ft seas?
Just curious.
Luke 8:22-25
psh i don’t think i’ve ever been privileged enough to go out when it wasn’t 5ft +
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psh i don't think i've ever been privileged enough to go out when it wasn't 5ft +
That’s almost true. After 40 years of offshore fishing, I’d say the average day is 3-5 feet. Some are much worse and we’ve fished in 12-15.
Days when a 40’ boat, 50’ away from you would disappear in every trough.
There might be 3 or 4 days a month with flat seas, but it doesn’t happen very often. If you have to plan your work schedule around a calm weather forecast, you won’t fish very much. If your work is fishing, you just go fishing every day and take what you get.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
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Originally posted by PhinWarbler, what sea state do you consider it if a 27ft boston whaler can’t go directly into the wind or directly downwind without getting green water over the bow and has to zig zag to get home?
Less than 5ft seas?
What about if you’re in a boat fishing 100ft away from a 20ft Bertram and every few seconds you cannot even see the top of its antenna?
Less than 5ft seas?
Finally, what if you’re halibut fishing 15 miles away from a snow covered volcano in Alaska and the volcano disappears when you go into a wave trough (that’s when you’re reeling hard, btw).
Less than 5ft seas?
Just curious.
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Luke 8:22-25
Sounds like all three scenarios could have been 5ft plus seas, and I think it proves my point…you clearly remember all three. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
ignore warbler. He she or it is an EDF troll
Been doing that since he got here 
Capt. Larry Teuton
Swamp Worshiper
If he keeps it up CF admin will zap him
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Originally posted by natureboyIf he keeps it up CF admin will zap him
The day you commercial hacks rule this site is the day it dies…know that. Zap me if you wish, admin. Makes not one **** of difference to me.
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
I don’t know many under 30’ CC’s heading out in true 5’ers…sure, you probably won’t die, but 99% of the small fleet isn’t fishing that.