well everytime I read something on here I notice a “protectionism” from some…Certainly to abide by current laws is correct however to state that these laws cannot be changed implies a protectionist view of current laws(limits)…I guess stopping all input and “open” discussion is just another way to say shut up. I probably should shut up. one last dig please, Can’t you guys admit that reds are abundant and easily caught? I will (respectfully) not publicly comment further on this(pms only)
Peta nor HSUS will ever stop fishermen from catching,killing,and eating their fish…However,folks that go out,hook,tramautize and release for personal pleasure could be a reasonable by these wacko humaniacs…All sportsmen and farmers united is the only way to stop them,They have too much money and can “buy” political friends…Those guys are serious and we should be too.
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ok this was a pretty intensive thread ,and we havd had our say and with that said let everyone have their opinion and live by the laws we have and cannot change and lets talk about what if anything this cold front will do to the inshore fishing, lets move on, we have beat this horse to death now:flushed: i guess peta will get me for the horse remark[:0]
toppy, i will have to say that i have not had that much success in catching reds, but i fish the cooper basically and fish more for trout , flounder ,and whatever will hit the hook, we as individuals cannot change laws, there is a process for that, and if you have not been reading the post, you are the one getting beat up here, i was trying to get a different discussion going for your sake, but if you do not see that , then have at it guys, i will stand down…
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Toppy- I noticed you didn’t take the time to uncork your infinite wisdom to my question as to how the numbers of reds are in your area as compared to what they were 46 years ago. I very seriously doubt you have the experience to answer such a question, but even if you do see the numbers as being in good shape (your opinion), you have to realize this is a large state with a lot of water. In my 60 mile stretch of water north and south of Edisto on which I have spent more time on in 5 years than you have or ever will put in inshore, I can definitively say numbers of flats reds are WAY down from what they were 5-7 years ago. Do I blame this on fishing pressure? NO. Do I think increasing the limits on redfish will help? No. Where is all this commercial fishing for redfish BS you keep spouting off about coming from? Where is your data on release mortality coming from? There is no sound basis on anything you have stated which categorizes you as a complete fool as has already been proven at least one previous time on this site. Please do us all a favor and hold to your resolution for no further comment on this issues along with any other comments on any issues that require any education or experience. We are all now just click dumber by just reading what you have posted on these last 5 pages.
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well everytime I read something on here I notice a “protectionism” from some…Certainly to abide by current laws is correct however to state that these laws cannot be changed implies a protectionist view of current laws(limits)…I guess stopping all input and “open” discussion is just another way to say shut up. I probably should shut up. one last dig please, Can’t you guys admit that reds are abundant and easily caught? I will (respectfully) not publicly comment further on this(pms only)
Peta nor HSUS will ever stop fishermen from catching,killing,and ea
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I will just as long as you post a pic of yours so I can feel it full of buckshot
Even though you could say he was joking, I dont think this is an appropriate thing to say, suggesting violence and damage to property against someone they disagree with. Might have to rethink your opinion of the guy. This is grounds to be banned from the forum IMO.
In my defense he was gonna call the game Warden on me. And holes in the the boat is the price for that. And I hate politically correctness and I always will. If you get your panties in a wad over what I say I really dont care. Yall are like a pack of coyotes with a rabbit in the corner. Im just trying to help the rabbit from getting slaughtered.
Wait a second, just so I have this straight: If you keep fish illegally and someone mentions this to the DNR and you get busted (for breaking the law, I might add), you see shooting a hole in someone’s boat as a justifiable, ‘defensible’ response?
You’re probably just trying to be internet tough here, but that’s a really stupid comment.
People like you are why background and psychological checks are needed before a gun purchase.
I sell Red Drum from North Carolina, and farm raised from Panama. Who on earth would pay $28 per pound for drum? I sell whole fish for $6.99 lb and fillet for $13.99 lb.
back to the popcorn…this is very entertaining! GO TOPPY!
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You asked for it Ratdaddy! cant you read? The presidential order was to prevent mass raping of schooling reds offshore…Think he would do that unless it was happening??? Google it goofy.Hell the big traulers used to spot them with helicopters and kill all the breeders they could catch.Ever hear of even foreign fishermen operating within 200 miles??
Breeder females are 3-5 years old,about 33 inches long and lay an average of 1.5MILLION eggs per year and can live up to 60 years.Raping these breeders is what caused the decline. Using a 30 year life span taking just one would result in more than 30 million less eggs during her life!!Catching and releasing helps but only naive uneducated self righteous egotists believe by releasing a red has any significant impact…As for government control well those guys have a job to elevate and protect and are very slow to change anything that could be seen to lessen their control…
I guess in your 5 years you are totally unfamiliar with how things were back then.I have been out with one friend and caught 4 coolers of reds easily with rod and reel To SELL back in the sixties…There were no limits nor licensing back then.But that has passed because of the large scale breeder depletion…
My keeping 3 or 6 or even 10 for personal use would have no impact compared to the commercial raping that took place…Where was the government control when it was needed?
Facts are facts…BS is BS,God how naive to be led into oblivion by those believing a 3 fish limit and release is the major factor bringing back the reds.
As for not being able to catch them in large numbers,that is something you have to learn…If you are at the exact correct location and tide when they feed there are plenty there…fish anywhere else and all you get are stragglers and travelers occasionally…Hell I can fish all day in a general area and catch ZERO ! But just a short distance away at the feeding spot they are loaded.
I am not advocating violating nor do I violate any
Wow- this is one of the longest threads I’ve ever seen on CF. Toppy going for the record…
What happened to your self-imposed gag order, Sloppy? None of that made any sense just like your every other post on this subject. Correct me if I’m wrong, but here are your bullet points so far.
- Recreational fishermen don’t and cannot negatively impact redfish populations.
- Catching and releasing numerous redfish is WORSE than killing an agreed upon limit per person( 6 is your choice) then stopping fishing.
- Redfish are just as plentiful statewide as they were 20 years ago.
- We need to focus on the commercial fishing that’s taking place for redfish in SC as this is a problem.
Seriously! Do you think anyone else shares these delusions? You would rather each SC guide and recreational fishermen keep a limit of 6 redfish PER PERSON from 12-27 inches than abide by the current laws in place. Brilliant!
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You asked for it Ratdaddy! cant you read? The presidential order was to prevent mass raping of schooling reds offshore…Think he would do that unless it was happening??? Google it goofy.Hell the big traulers used to spot them with helicopters and kill all the breeders they could catch.Ever hear of even foreign fishermen operating within 200 miles??
Breeder females are 3-5 years old,about 33 inches long and lay an average of 1.5MILLION eggs per year and can live up to 60 years.Raping these breeders is what caused the decline. Using a 30 year life span taking just one would result in more than 30 million less eggs during her life!!Catching and releasing helps but only naive uneducated self righteous egotists believe by releasing a red has any significant impact…As for government control well those guys have a job to elevate and protect and are very slow to change anything that could be seen to lessen their control…
I guess in your 5 years you are totally unfamiliar with how things were back then.I have been out w
Just want to expose the myths and show reality…Can you imagine a kayaker going 3 miles out and catch/releasing breeder reds to"save the reds".That is where the damage was done…I think catch/release is great and does some good…Plus it is great fun.Sellsfish sells reds from North Carolina…So I guess we still have them in restaurants, not sure but that means we can still buy reds in s.c.
Wonder if they(reds) know where the state line ends.
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Wow- this is one of the longest threads I’ve ever seen on CF. Toppy going for the record…
no more raping redfish here is 5 min on the internet wikipedeia, SCDNR, NOAA
The NOAA report that was just released which shows the 40 species of fish that are being overfished did not include Red fish. Since NOAA now confirms that Red fish are no longer overfished and are a healthy population does this mean the federal water ban of keeping Red fish will be lifted?
From 1980 through 1988, commercial fishermen took an average of 28% of the redfish while sport fishermen harvested 72 percent. Catch limits and size restrictions have increased the average weight of redfish caught in Louisiana coastal waters.[11] Restrictions on both sport and commercial fishermen allowed the species to rebuild. States actively vary the recreational catch limits and minimum and maximum lengths in order to help maintain sustainable red drum populations. Executive Order 13449 of October 20, 2007, issued by U.S. President George W. Bush, designated the red drum as a protected game fish. The order prohibits sale of red drum caught in Federal waters and encourages states to consider designating red drum as a protected game fish within state waters.[12] While they may no longer be commercially harvested in U.S. federal waters or in most state waters, they are readily caught and still enjoyed as table fare by many. In addition, farm raised redfish are still available as a commercial product [13] Commercial netting disappeared after coastal states like Florida declared red drum prohibited for sale. Recreational size and bag limits have been highly effective, allowing daily limits to be increased in recent years.
Recreational red drum total catch has been cyclical over the last 30 years based on varying factors that include year-class strength, changes in regulations, and increased fishing pressure. There has been an increase in total catch in South Carolina since 2002. This is reflected in the recent 10 year average total catch being higher than almost all years prior to 2003. While increases in the population of red drum may be cont
Nice data!! I believe in the gulf coast of Florida the red tide cycles kill most of the losses there…I was wondering?? Are there any creel and size limits outside the 3 mile state controlled waters or is it just illegal to sell them caught out there??
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no more raping redfish here is 5 min on the internet wikipedeia, SCDNR, NOAA
The NOAA report that was just released which shows the 40 species of fish that are being overfished did not include Red fish. Since NOAA now confirms that Red fish are no longer overfished and are a healthy population does this mean the federal water ban of keeping Red fish will be lifted?
From 1980 through 1988, commercial fishermen took an average of 28% of the redfish while sport fishermen harvested 72 percent. Catch limits and size restrictions have increased the average weight of redfish caught in Louisiana coastal waters.[11] Restrictions on both sport and commercial fishermen allowed the species to rebuild. States actively vary the recreational catch limits and minimum and maximum lengths in order to help maintain sustainable red drum populations. Executive Order 13449 of October 20, 2007, issued by U.S. President George W. Bush, designated the red drum as a protected game fish. The order prohibits sale of red drum caught in Federal waters and encourages states to consider designating red drum as a protected game fish within state waters.[12] While they may no longer be commercially harvested in U.S. federal waters or in most state waters, they are readily caught and still enjoyed as table fare by many. In addition, farm raised redfish are still available as a commercial product [13] Commercial netting disappeared after coastal states like Florida declared red drum prohibited for sale. Recreational size and bag limits have been highly effective, allowing daily limits to be increased in recent years.
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Has there ever been a bigger nerdfest than this website?
It wasnt long ago this kind of mess on any/all levels didnt even exist in fishing
Can we bring the original thread back? Why let this one go on forever if the other was deleted
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i agree capt fritz time to close this one and move on
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