No offense guys, but it you don’t like the thread, don’t read it.
Personally, I’m enjoying some of the banter and I enjoy listening to people trying to dig themselves out of a hole of stupidity.
My thoughts exactly. To my knowledge, there is but 1 moderator on this site and nobody is forced to click on this discussion. Toppy, you strike me as the typical weekender who has a few places up in creeks where you fish for reds with live bait on a Carolina Rig. The population in your very small corner of Charleston may be in good shape. I am in no place to judge that but have a little respect for what I do and see every year. I travel up and down the SC coast from Calibogue Sound to North Inlet year round putting my eyes on hundreds of schools of reds per year. I almost exclusively fish with artificials where the release mortality is next to zero. Like I have stated, the schools in most places are not as large as they were several years back and some are gone completely. Like the published article says, redfish populations are cyclical, and this year is the first year in 5 where we have had a strong crop of 1 year old fish, so flats stocks should rebound some in the next few years. Angler education increases every year, therefor, angling pressure increases every year. Increasing individual limits will only decrease the population…period. Your major argument revolves around release mortality, and I’ll be honest. During the peak of the hot water season, long fights with breeder reds coupled with poor handling can result in higher release mortality. This only lasts for a couple of months. Otherwise, during cooler water temps, release mortality is less than 1 percent, especially with smaller fish even if gut hooked. Just clip the line and let them go. They are a very hardy fish. All your moaning and groaning is for naught anyway. From here on, it will always be illegal to POSSESS any redfish caught 3+ miles offshore, and SCDNR is NEVER going to go to a 6 fish per person limit. You and the other folks who you claim are frustrated, please learn how to use appropriate sized circle hooks to prevent so much gut-hooking, or better yet, step up the game a little and go to artificials where the chances of killing an unwa
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Originally posted by CaptFritzCan we bring the original thread back? Why let this one go on forever if the other was deleted
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It is what it is!
You really are for censorship. Plenty of other threads on here for you to read.
BOB
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Originally posted by paintblendi agree capt fritz time to close this one and move on
Some People Create Their Own Storms And Then Cry When It Rains!
And you don’t want it gone you have posted more than anyone on this thread.
BOB
Lets just go fishing…
the only reason i have posted more is when i sign in i can see if the madness has stopped by being the last one to post and if i get 7 pages i get free membership, Whoo Hoo
when the weather gets better this will be more about fishing and less about personality conflicts, sticks and stone will break my bones so please don’t throw sticks and stones lol
Thanks for calming down with a respectful reply…To each his own…I pride myself in being able to catch my own bait and then seek out the fish on totally natural live bait…It is the feeling of totally doing everything naturally and the personal satisfaction of doing it…I agree totally that most released fish survive.I use a 2/0 circle octopus stainless steel hook and some are gut hooked.I doubt they survive.some have damaged bleeding gills and I doubt they survive.
While plug fishing is fun,I personally do not consider riding around looking for schools feeding and throwing treble hooks disguised as natural bait is challenging.Treble hooks can and do result in gill injuries also.
I have been able to catch many many puppy drum throught bulls bay.When they start I just move to another spot as there are usually all under the limit and not very challenging to catch…Really to the point of being a nuisance. I have noticed an abundanceof schools of dolphins hunting these schooling puppy drum in recent years,I guess they follow their food…Bet they wreak havoc on the tasty puppies.
Nothing is more fun than fishing up in the grassline close to oyster beds and battling a hoss red. For me,I personally know that I kill more than six to keep 3( that would be the three I keep +at least 3 of the 20 or so i am required to release.So relaxing the limit and size makes perfect sense(to me)…In fact all of the catch/release sportsmen would benefit also…I seldom take photos,just release OVER/UNDER SLOT as soon as possible.
NEVER SAY NEVER And please do not BUCKSHOT my boat as I am always fully loaded for bear.
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Originally posted by RADDADDYMy thoughts exactly. To my knowledge, there is but 1 moderator on this site and nobody is forced to click on this discussion. Toppy, you strike me as the typical weekender who has a few places up in creeks where you fish for reds
Kinda reminds me of Obama trying to sell the working American on Obamacare. “it’s better for everyone” kinda crap. Toppy, you should run for the white house - you have the mentality for it.
Overall, some interesting discussion in this thread. Plus as a bonus, a new record for number of replies on CF.
Sorry no! It was George W Bush who saved the reds…I take no credit.Seems me killing so many to keep 3 is OK with you guys,go figure??
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Originally posted by PluffdaddyKinda reminds me of Obama trying to sell the working American on Obamacare. “it’s better for everyone” kinda crap. Toppy, you should run for the white house - you have the mentality for it.
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Originally posted by PluffdaddyKinda reminds me of Obama trying to sell the working American on Obamacare. “it’s better for everyone” kinda crap. Toppy, you should run for the white house - you have the mentality for it.
You are on the wrong thread !! Scroll to the bottom for your political views.
BOB
There is something seriously wrong if you kill 3+ reds out of 20. Are you using an octopus or circle hook? There is no such thing as an octopus circle. Furthermore, they don’t come in stainless steel. Gut hooking is not the same as gill hooking. Gut hooked fish have a tremendous chance at survival while gill hooked fish have less of a chance. Rarely will you EVER gill hook a red on a circle hook with live bait. To each his own with what type of fishing you believe is more challenging and enjoyable, but your belief the majority of redfish caught on artificials are on lures with treble hooks defines your level and knowledge.
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Originally posted by toppyblueThanks for calming down with a respectful reply…To each his own…I pride myself in being able to catch my own bait and then seek out the fish on totally natural live bait…It is the feeling of totally doing everything naturally and the personal satisfaction of doing it…I agree totally that most released fish survive.I use a 2/0 circle octopus stainless steel hook and some are gut hooked.I doubt they survive.some have damaged bleeding gills and I doubt they survive.
While plug fishing is fun,I personally do not consider riding around looking for schools feeding and throwing treble hooks disguised as natural bait is challenging.Treble hooks can and do result in gill injuries also.
I have been able to catch many many puppy drum throught bulls bay.When they start I just move to another spot as there are usually all under the limit and not very challenging to catch…Really to the point of being a nuisance. I have noticed an abundanceof schools of dolphins hunting these schooling puppy drum in recent years,I guess they follow their food…Bet they wreak havoc on the tasty puppies.
Nothing is more fun than fishing up in the grassline close to oyster beds and battling a hoss red. For me,I personally know that I kill m
I guess my not being in denial is what is seriously wrong here. I admit to unnecessarily killing fish you don’t. I use both types of hooks. My very favorite is the Galnakatsu octopus 2/0, just happen to have a pack of them in my hands and they are definitely stainless steel.
As for the gill hook I agree totally!!It is the ones that the have their tender gills ripped from sideswiping the lure and are never hooked that are casualties Denial,denial,denial…
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Originally posted by RADDADDYThere is something seriously wrong if you kill 3+ reds out of 20. Are you using an octopus or circle hook? There is no such thing as an octopus circle. Furthermore, they don’t come in stainless steel. Gut hooking is not the same as gill hooking. Gut hooked fish have a tremendous chance at survival while gill hooked fish have less of a chance. Rarely will you EVER gill hook a red on a circle hook with live bait. To each his own with what type of fishing you believe is more challenging and enjoyable, but your belief the majority of redfish caught on artificials are on lures with treble hooks defines your level and knowledge.
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Originally posted by toppyblueThanks for calming down with a respectful reply…To each his own…I pride myself in being able to catch my own bait and then seek out the fish on totally natural live bait…It is the feeling of totally doing everything naturally and the personal satisfaction of doing it…I agree totally that most released fish survive.I use a 2/0 circle octopus stainless steel hook and some are gut hooked.I doubt they survive.some have damaged bleeding gills and I doubt they survive.
While plug fishing is fun,I personally do not consider riding around looking for schools feeding and throwing treble hooks disguised as
7 pages Whoo Hoo free membership, and here we go again, how many fish in that picture that toppy posted, lol
What do you mean 7 pages free membership, I wasn’t aware there was any cost to membership on here. And Toppy its Gamakatsu not Galnakatsu…
that was a joke, it is free membership but with entertainment like this they could charge
Tell you what, Toppy. I’ll concede all of my points to your infinite wisdom if you will just post a pic of those stainless steel Gamakatsu octopus hooks. There is no wonder you are killing so many fish. The 2/0 octopus is very small and will get swallowed when the rod is in a rod holder more than half the time. Like I said, learn how to use the appropriate inline circle hook and this will not happen. I do have to correct myself from earlier. Eagle Claw and Mustad do make a Circle Octopus (not stainless), but normally any hook with the point turned in toward the shank is just considered a circle hook (offset or inline).
Toppy I think I finally understand where you are coming from. If I felt like everyone killed that many to keep three I might think differently as well. The truth of the matter is most of the time we are fishing with soft plastics with a single hook and due to the nature of how we fish most fish are hooked in the jaw not in the gills and not in the gut. When throwing top water plugs I will routinely mash down the barb on the hooks to minimize damage to the fish. Many people I know also replace treble hooks with single hooks on plugs. I think if you understood the world of artificial baits a little more it may change your opinion of how many fish are killed in the catch and release process.
i am a recreational angler and i would say 90% of my fishing is with a single hook jig head and the only time i have used a treble hook is fishing for catfish in the tailrace, i rarely use lures,
There are 9 reds three of us and we had to catch over 50 to get the nine
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Originally posted by paintblend7 pages Whoo Hoo free membership, and here we go again, how many fish in that picture that toppy posted, lol