I agree with you, as stated above there is not much difference in the AAC and the ACC as a whole.
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Originally posted by Fishb8I agree with you, as stated above there is not much difference in the AAC and the ACC as a whole.
Clemson’s SOS would be in the high 40-50s if it weren’t for the A&M game. USC doesn’t help or hurt since per Fritz it will be like playing NC State.
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Originally posted by Fishb8I agree with you, as stated above there is not much difference in the AAC and the ACC as a whole.
But that’s not what he said Fish. He said this year not much difference. The ACC is weak, especially this year, but to say they wouldn’t beat the AAC teams regularly is off base.
I was referring to this year. As a whole, they is not much difference between AAC and ACC
Replace tamu with Texas tech and USC with SC State and CU SOS would still be stronger than UCF.
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Originally posted by Fishb8I was referring to this year. As a whole, they is not much difference between AAC and ACC
I can’t say you don’t have a valid argument this year. Neither conference is packing a bunch of teams into the top 25. I believe the ACC has 2 in the AP poll (3 in the coaches poll) and the AAc has 2 in the AP poll (same 2 in the coaches poll). I persoanlly believe the ACC, while definitely weak this year, is a stronger conference top to bottom than the AAC but again, I can’t argue with your assessment.
That said, CFU has played zero top 25 opponents this year. Clemson has at least played one at this point and beat them pretty handily.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
I heard a crazy stat Saturday. Temple beat a top 20 opponent for the first time in eighty years.
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Originally posted by GeronimoIt’s pretty simple. You schedule tough match ups for your OOC games until you get the respect and wins, and then you don’t do it anymore. Like Alabama. Saban is not a fan of scheduling tough OOC matchups just like Dabo doesn’t like it now. But when you are trying to get recognized, you have to. The Auburn win was a great event, but they need to start scheduling a home/away with some top tier teams. It will take a few years, but they might get there. They are a great program who has been able to take advantage of crappy FSU, UF, and Miami sanctions in the past few years to get recruits.
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Thats not accurate bud. Dabo knows the acc is week and he needs quality OOC games. That’s why they just schedule UGA for 2024 and are looking at games with LSU.
One every 4-5 years is a far cry from one every season bud. Programs have to take advantage of these prime time games every so often. It helps with recruiting. But Inpromise you in the CFP era, he would much prefer to stick to ACC play and scrubs for OOC. Same as Saban, but they aren’t the AD or booster so they have to agree to these games for money and exposure for the Univ as a whole.
“Wailord”
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Originally posted by shevyquote:
Originally posted by GeronimoIt’s pretty simple. You schedule tough match ups for your OOC games until you get the respect and wins, and then you don’t do it anymore. Like Alabama. Saban is not a fan of scheduling tough OOC matchups just like Dabo doesn’t like it now. But when you are trying to get recognized, you have to. The Auburn win was a great event, but they need to start scheduling a home/away with some top tier teams. It will take a few years, but they might get there. They are a great program who has been able to take advantage of crappy FSU, UF, and Miami sanctions in the past few years to get recruits.
“Wailord”
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Thats not accurate bud. Dabo knows the acc is week and he needs quality OOC games. That’s why they just schedule UGA for 2024 and are looking at games with LSU.
I don’t think a strong OOC schedule in 2024 is on Dabo’s radar right now. Plus, programs like Miami are being re-built and will be relevant before 2024. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if FSU is relevant before 2024. Yes, they’re a dumpster fire now but they have too many resources and too much high school talent in their state to remain down for long. I think Virginia Tech will rebound before 2024 as well. Point being, while I don’t believe the ACC to be the strongest and most dominant conference in college football, they won’t always be as weak as they are this year. Granted, the talking heads and prognosticators thought the ACC would be strong this year.
"You don’t always know where you sta
We played Bama, Auburn or UGA like 6/7 seasons for a stretch and then right after made 3 playoff appearances. It helps your program to play those games and get recognition. Let’s be honest, until we started playing, competing and winning those games on the big stage, anyone outside of the southeast never even knew who Clemson was. Not needed now.
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Originally posted by GeronimoLet’s be honest, until we started playing, competing and winning those games on the big stage, anyone outside of the southeast never even knew who Clemson was. Not needed now.
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Very true and objective statement. And no, definitely not needed now.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
Any weakness in Clemson’s schedule is not looking for a cream puff. We have to play two in state teams and generally go for tough games beyond that but you can’t always predict hard games 6 years out. Clemson also missed out one 1 or 2 power 5 games recently because a team (I think in the Big12 backed out of a contract).
Clemson played. @TA&M 18, SEC West champ Auburn 17, @Auburn 16, #6 Notre Dame 15, @UGA 14, UGA 13, Auburn 12, Auburn 11, @ National Champ Auburn 2010 OT Game, TCU 09, Bama (meh at the time) 08
The main difference between Bama and Clemson is that Clemson is willing to travel and Bama is not.
Bama played. Louisville who could have had Lamar Jackson still 18, #3 FSU ruining their season by eliminating Frenchy’s ACL 17, the real USC 16, Wisconsin 15, WVU (meh) 14, VT 13, Michigan 12, @ PSU (very rare OOC travel game) 11, PSU 10, VT 09, Clemson (meh, at the time) 08
Not many teams are picking those types of games OOC, especially home and home contracts that force you to play in hostile environments. I don’t care what anyone says about schedule because nobody has a schedule that they are undefeated and played a much harder path than Clemson. If we had started #20 we would still be #2 today.
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Wow. what a load of BS. Oh they could have had, if he wasnt hurt, they backed out. they wont travel. GIVE ME A BREAK. The ACC is not good this year, its not CU’s fault but it is the truth.
Oh and did anyone say Furman…
The schedule consist of 1 team that is still ranked. And they have play 1 ranked team, an lost).
Bama also has one ranked team under their belt and 1 to go, currently. CU has zero left on schedule.
ND has beat 3 ranked teams.
You are right CU is the only undefeated with a hard sched. BIAS MUCH
So…you “don’t care what anyone says about the schedule” and yet…here you are.
Don’t get me wrong, I get homer-ism and drinking the Koolaid but don’t try to pass it off as objective or factual.
Bottom line, the ACC is down this year but as stated several times, that’s not Clemson’s fault. Personally, I believe Clemson would still be heads and shoulders better than the rest of the ACC even if they weren’t down. The ironic thing is, by Clemson being so much better than everyone else in the ACC, it makes the rest of the conference look that much weaker when Clemson curb stomps them. It accentuates the gap between Clemson and the rest of the conference.
A couple more years like this and the ACC will be at the bottom of the “power 5” list. Granted, I don’t believe that will be the case. I still believe Miami is on the rise as well as Virginia Tech and FSU has too many resources and too many elite recruits in their backyard to stay down for long.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
Virginia Tech got boat raced at home by Georgia tech last night. And they lost to old dominion this year already. You say they are on the rise?
After being released, a lot of fish die, but a lot of them live also.
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Originally posted by CaptFritzVirginia Tech got boat raced at home by Georgia tech last night. And they lost to old dominion this year already. You say they are on the rise?
After being released, a lot of fish die, but a lot of them live also.
By “on the rise,” I mean they will be a much improved team next year and the years to follow, just like Miami and FSU. Nobody in the ACC is “on the rise” this year but I believe they will be a little better next year and will continue to improve/get stronger.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
FB8
“Did anyone say Furman?” Yes I said that we must play two SC schools, the Coots and Furman. For our fourth we play a P5 team, TA&M, which is more than the coots can say who play Coastal, Marshall, and Chatanooga. So who is running from a tougher schedule?
“You are right CU is the only undefeated with a hard sched. BIAS MUCH” Please explain how I’m being Biased. There are 3 undefeated P5, they are all ranked next to each other at the top, and two of them have 2 ranked wins. Want to guess which one doesn’t? All powerful #1 Bama. Is that the BIAS you were referring to? A team with half the ranked wins of the two below it being #1? What to guess which one is the only one to have a ranked win on the road? Oh **** it’s Clemson, how about that.
I would love for you to expand on this spurt "Wow. what a load of BS. Oh they could have had, if he wasnt hurt, they backed out. they wont travel. GIVE ME A BREAK. " I’m guessing you’re talking about my commentary on Bama’s schedule, all of which is 100% factual. Should we look at the Coot schedule to see how their OOC schedule looks? I mean they did play the always dangerous Citadel not too long ago.
Bang. Where did I say the ACC wasn’t down?
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GW, you might want to research strength of schedule for Clemson and USC. You might be surprised. Just in their remaining schedules, Clemson’s SOS is 48th while USC’s is 31st and aside from USC, Clemson’s remaining opponents are all in the ACC. Not counting the make-up game (if it happens at all), USC has two out of conference games left. One is Clemson, of course, and the other is Chattanooga…and yet they still have a higher SOS ranking for their remaining games than Clemson. I know I’m being objective and that’s typically frowned upon in this establishment but the numbers are what the numbers are.
To answer your question GW, I can’t find where I said you said the ACC wasn’t down. Not sure what you’re getting at there.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
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Originally posted by Great WhiteFB8
“Did anyone say Furman?” Yes I said that we must play two SC schools, the Coots and Furman. For our fourth we play a P5 team, TA&M, which is more than the coots can say who play Coastal, Marshall, and Chatanooga. So who is running from a tougher schedule?
I never said USC has a tougher schedule, Although they do. Stop looking at USC to justify CU’s weak scedule.
</font id=“red”>“You are right CU is the only undefeated with a hard sched. BIAS MUCH” Please explain how I’m being Biased. There are 3 undefeated P5, they are all ranked next to each other at the top, and two of them have 2 ranked wins. Want to guess which one doesn’t? All powerful #1 Bama. Is that the BIAS you were referring to? A team with half the ranked wins of the two below it being #1? What to guess which one is the only one to have a ranked win on the road? Oh **** it’s Clemson, how about that.
Beating a preseason ranked team is not the same as beating one that is not. A&M is 25 in one poll and not ranked in the other. NC State is not ranked now.
A&M is a common game. Bama destroyed them. CU struggled.
BTW: ND is not a P5
</font id=“red”>I would love for you to expand on this spurt "Wow. what a load of BS. Oh they could have had, if he wasnt hurt, they backed out. they wont travel. GIVE ME A BREAK. " I’m guessing you’re talking about my commentary on Bama’s schedule, all of which is 100% factual. Should we look at the Coot schedule to see how their OOC schedule looks? I mean they did play the always dangerous Citadel not too long ago.
Dude you literally make an excuse for almost every Bama game, And gave props to CU games.
Oh and again stop pointing to USC schedule to boost your own. You are literally comparing CU to USC. think about how sad that is.BTW: Do you honestly think there a