Can I piss off the bow of a Freeman in a nice 3’ chop doing 40mph? And if I do, will my pants get wet?
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Originally posted by skinneejCan I piss off the bow of a Freeman in a nice 3’ chop doing 40mph? And if I do, will my pants get wet?
Why are we limiting horsepower? The bote I have now has 200HP and costs 1/30th of what a Freeman 33 likely costs. Is a Freeman with 700HP really 3.5x better than what I’ve got? Is the Freeman really 30x better than what I have? Do we really make decisions based on that?
Are we capping HP, mpg, $$$$$ or ???
I did say no way a 33 Freeman could hang with a 36YF. You realize this it seems as you indicate that a race would mean the man willing to replace a blown motor or wreck would win. I guess option B is the better one after all?
You realize what would happen in an all out competition it seems. One bote could have 1050 or more HP potentially and the Freeman 33would have 700HP…
To be fair, I would like to see the same $$$$ YF vs same $$$$ 33 Freeman. I’m thinking this would be a 36YF with trip F300’s and a Freeman 33 with twin F300’s.
Your boat has more cockpit and should be more efficient. It appears to be a wide hull with everything slid forward and with less gray cowling HP numbers and fuel $$$ burning into thin air.
The YF should take truly rough water better because of the very tall bow and longer hull. I realize that both hulls have unique hulls aft. This is where handling can be a lot different than similar hulls in my opinion. Some should stay flatter than others and some should squirrel out and dig in the bow more or less than others. Props make some difference too. The driver can even make a big difference. It’s crazy how things can change between the same hull when the driver changes. Some boats run better when pushed harder. Some better when trimmed all the way up. Some better when plowing. Who knows what the case may be with these boats. All I know is the number I see going up and down the road and showing up on the water lately. Something must be going right.
I will say that if your boat can outperform a 36YF with trip 300’s then you will shortly put them out of business if you price your product competitively. Maybe the way the boats look will keep yellowfin
I just realized that skinneej definately needs to put a deposit down on a Freeman 33.
He loves the cat, and the bote’s name could be “Healthy Grin”
Has anyone talked with Dr. Skinnee about this?
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Iv been following the site for years but never a member. After seeing this topic I had to join. In my opinion, after reading this thread there is no reason for any kind of back to back test. I have seen both products in great detail and I pick the YF. A couple reasons, yes the Freeman may have a better ride but I would hope there is some type of trade of seeing how the boat looks like a pontoon. Most importantly though, who would buy a boat from a builder that would publicly bash another builder, and on top of that use a fellow fisherman to hide his real motive of the post so it doesn’t look like a direct strike at YF but rather at someones opinion. This isn’t the type of person I want to deal with 3 or 4 years down the road when my boat needs something. Class goes a long way, way past the 12th grade.
Man, next time say fire in the hole before you throw those things out there!
My ears are ringing.
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Why not join the fun. Only having fished Cat boats twice I am no authority on the matter. I have fished a 36 YF, it had less than 1000HP if that matters. Cats go up and down, much like a wave travels through the water. The bow never seems to slam. Mono hulls go up and down, bow mostly, not the entire boat. Hard to explain until you ride a cat.
I’m sure there are significant difference between models, but I will say, I was not impressed by the YF. As far as fishing comfort goes, riding into a 3 foot head sea for 80 miles, I’ll take the Cat, no questions, and I own a Contender. There are attributes of the Cat’s to get used to, beam sea, big following sea, etc… Most of the fishing I do here is running somewhere between 90 and 150 degrees, mostly 120 to 150. All spring and summer that is where that annoying 2-3’ chop is coming from. I can tell you the 36YF I fished did not comfortably eat it up, and I was beanbagging it in the back. FWIW.
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Originally posted by BILLCHASERIv been following the site for years but never a member. After seeing this topic I had to join. In my opinion, after reading this thread there is no reason for any kind of back to back test. I have seen both products in great detail and I pick the YF. A couple reasons, yes the Freeman may have a better ride but I would hope there is some type of trade of seeing how the boat looks like a pontoon. Most importantly though, who would buy a boat from a builder that would publicly bash another builder, and on top of that use a fellow fisherman to hide his real motive of the post so it doesn’t look like a direct strike at YF but rather at someones opinion. This isn’t the type of person I want to deal with 3 or 4 years down the road when my boat needs something. Class goes a long way, way past the 12th grade.
Bill Chaser
What you dont understand is that I was put up to this(kind of sort of). A little trash talking here and there. I NEVER bashed anyones product. Hell, those guys are obviously doing well and build an absolutely beautiful boat. I am defending my product. Be it a pontoon boat or not, I am simply trying to let a few hard headed coolaid drinkers know that there may actually be something better out there.
Phin: We have more in common than you think… I would rather grouper fish any day of the week. When are we going? The first trip of the year we ran to the 380 hole the same day Scoutin did in the 36 YF. He said they were running 35mph and the props were barking occasionally the whole way. We ran pretty much the same direction at 40mph with no props leaving the water.
Bolbie: How ya been? Pontoon in your future? Somehow I dont see it.
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Originally posted by skinneejCan I piss off the bow of a Freeman in a nice 3’ chop doing 40mph? And if I do, will my pants get wet?
Your pants will stay dry as long as you can tell how deep it is.
My money is on the Freeman. Building a boat myself, I look at a lot of things most dont and a Freeman boat has that true custom “yacht like finish” to it unlike most others. Plus the ride sounds pretty good from what I hear:wink:
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Originally posted by BILLCHASERIv been following the site for years but never a member. After seeing this topic I had to join. In my opinion, after reading this thread there is no reason for any kind of back to back test. I have seen both products in great detail and I pick the YF. A couple reasons, yes the Freeman may have a better ride but I would hope there is some type of trade of seeing how the boat looks like a pontoon. Most importantly though, who would buy a boat from a builder that would publicly bash another builder, and on top of that use a fellow fisherman to hide his real motive of the post so it doesn’t look like a direct strike at YF but rather at someones opinion. This isn’t the type of person I want to deal with 3 or 4 years down the road when my boat needs something. Class goes a long way, way past the 12th grade.
Welcome new guy/gal.
This is not a Billy vs Yellowfin post. Some may say Phin and I are boat dorks. We argue about these 2 boats WAY, WAY to much. Reason being we both believe they are they best 2 center consoles in this size offered on the market today. Neither of us has spent very much time in either. But the draw remains strong to them both based on all we have read. Billy is a super nice guy and loves to talk about his boat as well as everyone elses. He does not appear to be the kind of guy trying to make a quick buck and decided to start building boats. He is truly passionate about this as Wiley I am sure is. Unfortunately Wiley has never bothered to discuss these matters with me but Billy invited me to tag along on a ride one day. I have been sold ever since on him and his product.
I want Phin to see it too. I have ridden on a 36 yellowfin. GREAT boat as well. Won’t go wrong with either far as I am concerned.
Billy did not start this tread
HAHAHHA I know right
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Originally posted by PhinOption B
Again, very simple. Let me personally run your boat under your direct supervision on a half day trip in late November or early December. Me and friends will cover the fuel, bait and ice bill. I will bring all the non-boat gear and tackle.
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Not a fair comparison. You admittedly do NOT know how to properly drive a cat. I would suggest a course in cat driving before this experiment. Your whole life has been spent in mono hulls. Not fair to the boat to put your lack of experience behind the wheel to compare with what you are much more accustom to driving. Kind of like fishing with spinning reels your whole life and someone handing you a bait caster. You back lash it. Does not mean bait caster bad reel means you don’t know how to use it. 
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Some videos for discussion
Freeman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ElAxzl2ng
Yellowfin
http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/os36_vid.html
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
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Originally posted by bullyBill Chaser
What you dont understand is that I was put up to this(kind of sort of). A little trash talking here and there. I NEVER bashed anyones product. Hell, those guys are obviously doing well and build an absolutely beautiful boat. I am defending my product. Be it a pontoon boat or not, I am simply trying to let a few hard headed coolaid drinkers know that there may actually be something better out there.
Phin: We have more in common than you think… I would rather grouper fish any day of the week. When are we going? The first trip of the year we ran to the 380 hole the same day Scoutin did in the 36 YF. He said they were running 35mph and the props were barking occasionally the whole way. We ran pretty much the same direction at 40mph with no props leaving the water.
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Bolbie: How ya been? Pontoon in your future? Somehow I dont see it.
my rig is paid off.the next one down the line is a 34 SeaVee w/diesel motors.
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesSome videos for discussion
Freeman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ElAxzl2ngYellowfin
http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/os36_vid.html
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Watch the guys knees buckle in the YF video during the first 20 seconds.
Easy boys,(scootin&flin) somebodies pocket protector is going to get scratched.
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Originally posted by bullyI am simply trying to let a few hard headed coolaid drinkers know that there may actually be something better out there.
I am a very open minded person, and I learn extremely quick. Anyone that has fished with me has probably picked up on that. I only need hard evidence. Circle hook on a 15ft leader might get beat by a chicken rig and cut bait sometimes. I am trying both before I decide which I’m going to focus on. Outside of particular conditions on specific days, I know what generally works better for what based on my experience. So all I need is experience if what you say is true. I admit when I’m wrong. Until then- a fast, relatively efficient, value-holding, tough, 360 degree fishable, easily anchored, rough water handling, versatile, good value for the $$$ type ride is my style of boat. I don’t care what the name is on the side.
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Phin: We have more in common than you think..... I would rather grouper fish any day of the week. When are we going? The first trip of the year we ran to the 380 hole the same day Scoutin did in the 36 YF. He said they were running 35mph and the props were barking occasionally the whole way. We ran pretty much the same direction at 40mph with no props leaving the water.
That’s strange. He told me the props barked lightly but never overrevved. Also said tabs and trim weren’t used much at all, and that the boat never slammed and he did not get a drop of spray on him all day. He also said the boat was loafing- not even working- being run to get good fuel economy and was ridiculously quiet when riding. It was also the guy’s 2n
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesYou admittedly do NOT know how to properly drive a cat.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>This is false, Sir.
I have spoken with quite a few cat fanatics who have shared many insights with me. And, as I have told you, I have driven semi-planing and planing cats in the ocean for quite a few hours.
Have you EVER driven a catamaran boat other than a pontoon?
Seriously…*
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