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Originally posted by Courtlandquote:
Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesSome videos for discussion
Freeman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ElAxzl2ngYellowfin
http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/os36_vid.html
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Watch the guys knees buckle in the YF video during the first 20 seconds.
Says the guy who runs a 23T Contender WOT when he fishes?
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by Phinquote:
Originally posted by Courtlandquote:
Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesSome videos for discussion
Freeman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ElAxzl2ngYellowfin
http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/os36_vid.html
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Watch the guys knees buckle in the YF video during the first 20 seconds.
Says the guy who runs a 23T Contender WOT when he fishes?
www.scmarine.org
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Luke 8:22-25
I get very discouraged when I canāt make 30kts. when going to the ledge. Most likely I find somthing else to fish for, after all I donāt have all day, ya know. I will let em eat in the following sea on the way home. I also turn 40 in a month or so. Iām getting older and smarter(read: less willing to get beat up). Down here we have an extra 15 miles to the ledge, in the winter even more.
I stand by what I said earlier. The Freeman/Cat will run more comfortably at speed in a head sea then the YF, not even close really. If I can still let em eat on the way home making 50 or so, well thatās pretty good.
Try throwing a 10ā net on some pogies out of the bow of the 36 YF. Itās a pretty boat, but it aināt all that.
Bolbie- They doing the 34 SV with IPS? The 39ā is some boat.
Courtland, you talk as though youāve been on a Freeman 33 before.
Throwing the 10ft net off the bow of the freeman would be easier?
I am going to admit at this point that I must be really really missing something. Cats Iāve been on ā¦ the bow moves up and down at idle or neutral FAR more than mono hull bows. You are telling me that throwing a net onto pogies is difficult in a YF and must be easier in a cat though???
I find it very interesting that the folks who are on here drumming up the Freeman and drumming down the YF are pretty hard core Contender guys. VERY interesting. YF bow too high. I get it. Itās not your Contender. I like that about it though! (sorry for that)
BTW,
I split the weights on a net and can throw it off a bote kneeling, standing, leaning, sittingā¦ whatever. Us folks who fish out of little botes have learned to do that. 
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by PhinCourtland, you talk as though youāve been on a Freeman 33 before.
Throwing the 10ft net off the bow of the freeman would be easier?
I am going to admit at this point that I must be really really missing something. Cats Iāve been on ā¦ the bow moves up and down at idle or neutral FAR more than mono hull bows. You are telling me that throwing a net onto pogies is difficult in a YF and must be easier in a cat though???
I find it very interesting that the folks who are on here drumming up the Freeman and drumming down the YF are pretty hard core Contender guys. VERY interesting. YF bow too high. I get it. Itās not your Contender. I like that about it though! (sorry for that)
BTW,
I split the weights on a net and can throw it off a bote kneeling, standing, leaning, sittingā¦ whatever. Us folks who fish out of little botes have learned to do that.
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Really we should be discussing a 34YF w/twins and the 33 Freeman, equal length and HP. Regardless, I have fished the YF and donāt like it. The huge bow and gunnels are what they are. If your anchored up and have 6 guys chicken rigging itās nice to send them up front. Or maybe some āchochasā to lay on the coffin box catching some rays. The cockpit for a 36āer is small and the console is far back to make the ride seem nicer. The YF is no better than any other 36ā triple out there, period.
As for the catās, Iāve only fished 2 as I stated earlier. One I had a fun side to side cooler ride for the last 20 miles of sea-breeze slop, my only discomfort could have been avoided with some sticky feet under the cooler. The other I fished a nasty day and did not take one chine shot. You know the kind, right under the console that sneaks in on you and mak
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Originally posted by CourtlandReally we should be discussing a 34YF w/twins and the 33 Freeman, equal length and HP. Regardless, I have fished the YF and donāt like it. The huge bow and gunnels are what they are. If your anchored up and have 6 guys chicken rigging itās nice to send them up front. Or maybe some āchochasā to lay on the coffin box catching some rays. The cockpit for a 36āer is small and the console is far back to make the ride seem nicer. The YF is no better than any other 36ā triple out there, period.
</font id=āquoteā></blockquote id=āquoteā>So Contender, SeaVee, et al are simply not as good at marketing as Yellowfin- is that all? Is there nothing there but glitter and lies? Maybe a little suntan oil and pirates of the carribean music on the website is all it takes to slip those big checks out of peopleās hands. I am in the wrong business for sure.
What a bitter taste that must be in the mouths of all the folks who wait months while their boats are built down there. What a bummer when the boat is finally ready to pick upā¦quote:EXACTLY
One I had a fun side to side cooler ride for the last 20 miles of sea-breeze slop, my only discomfort could have been avoided with some sticky feet under the cooler.
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The other I fished a nasty day and did not take one chine shot. You know the kind, right under the console that sneaks in on you and makes you wish your best friend was a chiropractor. Even 50'ers take those shots on occasion, I have yet to feel it on a cat, and the days I fished were conducive to that kind
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Originally posted by CourtlandWhy not join the fun. Only having fished Cat boats twice I am no authority on the matter. I have fished a 36 YF, it had less than 1000HP if that matters. Cats go up and down, much like a wave travels through the water. The bow never seems to slam. Mono hulls go up and down, bow mostly, not the entire boat. Hard to explain until you ride a cat.
You can fish the ghetto sled anytime for a great cat rideā¦
My Dad can beat up your Dad!
23T Onslow Bay
300 Zukes
No honestly, I have ridden and fished many boats out there and was extremely impressed with the Freeman 33. After several sea trials in Miami on a bunch of boats mentioned here and others not mentioned, the Freeman 33 was the only one that didnt get stood up at the inlet rolling out. Matter fact, Bully never pulled back the throttles. The boat had full command of that sea state which was a true 3-5ā with wind gust in the 25-30 range. I wish I could say the same about the other brands. I dont have a dog in this fight so if someone is truly reading this to make a purchase decision, I highly recommend riding everything out there in comparable conditions to decide which fits your needs most.
There will however be some new smack down talk coming in the future when Bully releases his smaller version. 
23T Onslow Bay
300 Zukes
dont buy no ugly boat
Phin- You like to do things the hard way, and I get that. I was there(in life), in my 21 Contender with 5 gallon gas cans in the fish box fishing next to 50āers, 15 years ago. Iām older and wiser now.
Boating/fishing is taking on a new meaning for me lately with the various restrictions and seasonal closures. It is becoming not āworth itā to go out there and take the punishment. Iām fishing for species and in places that I donāt usually fish and am looking for a bit more enjoyment out of the whole process. A smoother riding boat definitely fits the bill.
I think we are looking for 2 different things.
In regards to YF, yes there marketing is good. You deal āfactory directā giving you the allusion of saving money on a custom boat. When is the last time you saw an Eddy & Duff ad in SW Sportsman or Sea Vee for that matter? Marketing and customer service goes a long way. Wiley was one of the first to push that semi custom envelope on a national level.
Courtland, I think youād be surprised just how my current ride does. I donāt fish when I see roughage in the forecast. So it isnāt a matter of comfort so much as whether I can run 30kts or 22kts. I donāt get wet. I donāt get beat. I donāt break stuff. Itās actually vastly different from what you Contender boys must imagine itās like for poor little Phin. Donāt feel sorry for me. I love getting out with what Iāve got, and trust me I have slowed down considerably compared to growing up and also a few years ago. I could still do it, but it isnāt worth it anymore. I like a challenge more than a sure thing. I still have this addiction to catching groupers and snappers though. Donāt know how to cure it. Anyhow- small boat- I just have to change my plans according to what the oceanās doing. Not a problem. If I canāt change plans and still enjoy it I turn around or call the trip before getting there. Called a trip just the other day. No big deal.
Itās getting highly annoying to have to throw back hundreds of fish that are overpopulated and way beyond mature aged every trip. Itās getting highly annoying to have to do the work it takes to be out there and then clean up afterwards and have little to say on here or elsewhere else since what I like doing is apparently frowned upon nowadays by non-fishermen as well as so-called fishermen. How could you have killed all those B liners? What a shame? A monster that Phin guy is!
All the closures and restriction would all be fine if it was warranted and I didnāt know the real reasons behind why and how itās happening. When we know that it is a joke, then it just gets me to sort of the opposite alternative from where you are I guess. Iām thinking- why do I want to get a bigger boat and spend more money on this? You are thinking- if I get a bigger boat and spend more money Iāll enjoy a different style of fishing. So the speed and range and how a boat handles in really rough water matter to me. Want to go do stuff that isnāt shut down yet or either go someplace that hasnāt bee
I used to own a V-hull and vowed never to own a catamaranā¦ My dad basically twisted my arm to take a test drive on one. That was 2 catamarans agoā¦ I thought that they were ugly when I first saw them, but you get over it really quick. They look totally different in the water as well. Also, in other countries, there are a ton of catamarans which seem to be the norm.
Iāve seen the 33 Freeman in a chop and pulled up next to him at the rocks. That boat is bad ass no matter how you cut it. Iāve heard mixed results on the YFās. Also, ask anyone about the storage available on a catamaran.
PS Just for the record, I think that both boats look bad ass, but I have never rode on either. I think that quality of ride is the #1 thing I look for in a boat. I donāt like loose teeth.
I have been hearing reports of snapped outrigger poles and broken radar mounts out of the upper Ashley River area. Must be some dude with a mono hullā¦
Anyways.
I have something for Bolbie. I know this is a Freeman thread, but here is the boat the first yellowfin is rumored to have been built off of. Bolbie, you should look into this one. Seriously.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/357028-conch-27-diesel.html
Or have one of the aforementioned builders who ādonāt need to advertiseā build you one from scratch.
http://www.randrboatworks.com/
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by PhinCourtland, I think youād be surprised just how my current ride does. I donāt fish when I see roughage in the forecast. So it isnāt a matter of comfort so much as whether I can run 30kts or 22kts. I donāt get wet. I donāt get beat. I donāt break stuff. Itās actually vastly different from what you Contender boys must imagine itās like for poor little Phin. Donāt feel sorry for me. I love getting out with what Iāve got, and trust me I have slowed down considerably compared to growing up and also a few years ago. I could still do it, but it isnāt worth it anymore. I like a challenge more than a sure thing. I still have this addiction to catching groupers and snappers though. Donāt know how to cure it. Anyhow- small boat- I just have to change my plans according to what the oceanās doing. Not a problem. If I canāt change plans and still enjoy it I turn around or call the trip before getting there. Called a trip just the other day. No big deal.
Itās getting highly annoying to have to throw back hundreds of fish that are overpopulated and way beyond mature aged every trip. Itās getting highly annoying to have to do the work it takes to be out there and then clean up afterwards and have little to say on here or elsewhere else since what I like doing is apparently frowned upon nowadays by non-fishermen as well as so-called fishermen. How could you have killed all those B liners? What a shame? A monster that Phin guy is!
All the closures and restriction would all be fine if it was warranted and I didnāt know the real reasons behind why and how itās happening. When we know that it is a joke, then it just gets me to sort of the opposite alternative from where you are I guess. Iām thinking- why do I want to get a bigger boat and spend more money on this? You are thinking- if I get a bigger boat and spend more money Iāll enjoy a different style of fishing. So
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Originally posted by PhinI have been hearing reports of snapped outrigger poles and broken radar mounts out of the upper Ashley River area. Must be some dude with a mono hullā¦
Anyways.
I have something for Bolbie. I know this is a Freeman thread, but here is the boat the first yellowfin is rumored to have been built off of. Bolbie, you should look into this one. Seriously.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/357028-conch-27-diesel.html
Or have one of the aforementioned builders who ādonāt need to advertiseā build you one from scratch.
http://www.randrboatworks.com/
www.scmarine.org
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
How many Conchās did Edy & Duff sell before they sold the mold to R & R. Maybe they made so much $$$$ they gave it away to be nice. Advertising must not work, after all Super Bowl ad time costs how much, aww forget itā¦Just pass the Kool Aidā¦
This is a good discussion to have I think.
My top 5:
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Originally posted by PhinThis is a good discussion to have I think.
My top 5:
- Must be cruise / family friendly. What I mean is the bote cannot be a plain vanilla fishing-only platform. I take my family and friends out for cruises several times a year, and it means a great deal to them and myself to get where I can take them in the boat and have fun and relax. This doesnāt mean cushions covering the entire deck and ACāed salon. We like the freedom of a center console and feeling and seeing everything around. I am very hands on. Like to run the boat myself, etc. so a boat needing a captain and mate no matter where it goes does not appeal to me. Weāve had a boat like that. It was a lot of money, time and work. Not worth it to me at this point. I need forward seating of some type, cupholders and enough seating for 6 or 7 people, good stereo, dive lader, comfort, etc. My neice and nephew are also getting old enough to go on the boat, so freeboard and lower to the deck seating like a removable jump seat/bench in the back will be stuff Iāll like. Removable stuff - versatility I guess is what Iām after.
- Trailerable / able to pull to FL, LA, NC, etc. to fish there and also to go under a shed/in a building and on a lift or jet dock.
- Low profile upper control station (smaller networked electronics, compass & helm on hard top than is no higher than radar array or can fold down). Want this for spotting, running bridge rods, running at night, anchoring, freeing up space below, etc.
- MUST be dry. If unable to keep spray out of cockpit running every direction in 15-20kt winds then totally unacceptable.
- Fast and efficient. Want the boat to be capable of 45kts plus on days when the fleet fishes. Want at least 35kts cruise at over 1mpg during any trip whatsoever or else the boat is not worth the extra money over what Iāve got now. All it is is more $$$$ and more folks
Growing up we had a SeaCat, and those cat boats really do dominate a headsea. Yes, it was corky as hell in a beam sea, it was a bit wet in a big following seaābut these are trade offs like everything else in life. I absolutely love my boat now, but at some point in life I will move up, and will definitely give the Freeman 33 a serious look. I more likely see myself in an Albermarle or Carolina Classic, but I do love the look & idea of the Freemanāthat thing turns heads!
Pat Condon
www.ksamarineinsurance.com
(843)568-8559
Stop spinning the argument, Scootin.
The reason I said they need to race on a day with a strong outgoing tide and breezing easterly wind is so that NEITHER could run WOT.
Weād quickly learn what each can do in a steep following sea and a steep headsea.
Extremely simple test and arguably pretty safe to do. I have fished 19ft botes in that forecast and limited out on fish. Was it something I recommend to other folks? No. Was it something I was comfortable doing at the time? Yes.
Higher top end means youāve got it when you need it. Throw the radar off your boat as well as your Sirius WX. Why worry about where T storms are?
You think having speed offshore is only about beating the other guy.
Again- this coming from a Contender fellow.
Really interesting.
Among other interesting things I see that you believe that Yellowfin will not build a leaning post the way youād like also. Pay Freeman 3 grand for his leaning post, haul it to FL, tell yellowfin thatās what you want in your yellowfin. No problem, Sir. Are you sure? Yep.
Heck, tell yellowfin you donāt want their T top either. Pull your brand new yellowfin to Mark G. and tell him you want a top just like whatās on the Freeman cats! DONE!
Why do you like to compare the Freeman to Yellowfin so much?
Everyone is missing the point tremendously. Yellowfin could build a catamaran hull and sell it for the same cost as the same length mono hull. I might not be interested in it. You know why!?!??? Because the boat handles, runs, trailers, drifts, anchors and looks different!
What is the matter with me having preferences based on my experiences? I bought 6 different kinds of cast nets to try during shrimp season one year. Did you know that? I figured out very easily which ones I liked and which I didnāt. Sold the ones I didnāt like. Same thing throwing a net for bait in the river or off the beach. I guess you donāt know thatās how I am or something and we need to have a debate on here where the truly objective test of whe