fishman - that is the first reasonable and true post about speed with regard to recreational fishing vessels in rough water on this thread.
you would think anyone who grew up with salt in their veins would know enough to be aware that no fishing vessel that is a part of this discussion, including the 70’+ sportfishers can run 35 knots into a sea of any consequence. None can run 25 knots without extreme discomfort and pounding into a tight, sharp 4’ head sea.
“Want at least 35kts cruise at over 1mpg during any trip whatsoever or else the boat is not worth the extra money over what I’ve got now”
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None can run 25 knots without extreme discomfort and pounding into a tight, sharp 4’ head sea.
“Want at least 35kts cruise at over 1mpg during any trip whatsoever or else the boat is not worth the extra money over what I’ve got now”
Regarding 25kts into sharp 4’ head sea- what’s the best riding boat you’ve ever been on as far as uphill seas? Have you been on the Freeman 40? Have you ever been on a 38 fountain? Do you think sporties will always run better than outboard-powered boats in the ocean length-for-length? Just curious.
Regarding it being unreasonable running 35kts in at any time- Didn’t I qualify that with “when the rest of the fleet fishes?”
Maybe I didn’t communicate that well enough. 35kts in normal fishing conditions here is not unreasonable- I am very sorry if you think it is. We used to have a boat similar to yours. A 31 Luhrs Express. It couldn’t run 35kts unless it was flat calm. Sometimes small boats do better than bigger boats. Imagine that.
35kts is not much faster than what I usually run in my little boat right now with no pounding, no spray, no soaking, nothing breaking, etc. I do watch the forecast, and I do fish in directions that give me the best ride. If not then yeah, I am running 19kts and getting punished, and I guess no other fishing boat known to man could do much better, so why would anyone buy a Freeman boat? People pay that much just for the layout and to run fast in the river? Or is a matter of buying a boat that won’t break apart when you want to be stupid with how you run it? What’s this whole market all about? Why have 3 or 4 engines when 1 could push the boat at 25kts offshore? Really- please tell me what this is all about. There are a lot of fools out there who are paying for these 35kt ocean crui
Glad to see a sane reply as well, although our boats are 10’10" not 12’ like the twin vee.
The big advantage people tell me about my boats over the other big cc’s is the lack of the constant chine pops. Just a smooth ride like floating on air. Not to say my boat wont pound because it will with the right conditions, usually a big head sea… it just takes the edge off of the ride with its hull design. The boat has a much better ability to stay planted in the water.
What I find is that the stigma with cats is very hard to overcome because of the many bad apples that were built over the years. Especially in my own backyard. Hell, I still get guys asking if my boats flip over! None have flipped after a combined 12000 hours of charter use in the gulf.
I can’t think of one guy that has been dissapointed with my boats and that includes quite a few skeptics and koolaid drinkers.
Thanks for all the discussion.
Oh, I almost forgot… The Freeman 40 will run 24knots straight into a wicked tight 4’ sea with pretty much total comfort. It has been done more than once with a pretty broad audience at the Miami Boat Show. I had more than one guy point out that we were the only ones going down the middle of Govt cut. One of them asked me why we were the only ones. I told him that those other boats couldnt. And no they werent 24’ boats, they were big ass YF’s and Invicibles. I also did it 60 miles off of Jacksonville in the Gulf Stream. It was bad enough that it broke over the bow while we were trolling.
Fast and efficient. Want the boat to be capable of 45kts plus on days when the fleet fishes. Want at least 35kts cruise at over 1mpg during any trip whatsoever or else the boat is not worth the extra money over what I’ve got now. All it is is more $$$$ and more folks able to ride. What I have now gets 2.5-3mpg all around and can fish 3-4 people max. Avg cruise speed is 26kts. Don’t get much time to go do stuff, and when I do then an extra 5-10kts is a big difference when running 25-65miles each way.
from what i have heard, the freeman would likely do as well, maybe better than, several of the best built sportfishers in a tight, steep headsea. i don’t know what your point is. all i wanted to point out is that fishman spoke of real-world conditions. your 35 knot hypotheticals “on any trip whatsoever” would be very impressive. i have yet to ride or, or watch other boats operate with that type of performance. i have read many internet reports of this type of recreational fishing vessel performance. it would be awesome if it were only true.
The Yellowfin can easily cruise at 40knots down the river getting 0.8 - 1.1 gal/hr. She tops out at 65.
On a nice day I could cruise at 35 knots getting 1.0- 1.3 gal/hr offshore loaded with 8 guys, no issue.
I have run numerous 61 and 65 Vikings, a 60 Hat, and a 61 Weaver. I am sorry but I do not agree on being able to run any of those boats at 35 knots into a 4 head sea. It would be a bumpy ride and even those boats would slam. Then the owner would complain that cabinets no longer close right.
I agree that certain Cats have monohull boats beat in the head sea debate. Each have positive and negatives. But it depends how you personally use your boat, understanding the positives and negatives of each, and making the choice that works for you. My Yellowfin eats it up, I can be out there in bad conditions with the big boys and feel safe at any fishing grounds off the Southeaster US and Bahamas. I am VERY happy with my choice.
Like I said if I lived in Venice, LA and had no plans to go anywhere else I would also be fishing from a Freeman or Twin Vee. But since we are heading to the Keys in a couple weeks down I-95 I will be taking my 36 Yellowfin and enjoying every minute of it! I enjoy taking my boat to many different ports of call for a weeks vacation.
Fast and efficient. Want the boat to be capable of 45kts plus on days when the fleet fishes. Want at least 35kts cruise at over 1mpg during any trip whatsoever or else the boat is not worth the extra money over what I’ve got now. All it is is more $$$$ and more folks able to ride. What I have now gets 2.5-3mpg all around and can fish 3-4 people max. Avg cruise speed is 26kts. Don’t get much time to go do stuff, and when I do then an extra 5-10kts is a big difference when running 25-65miles each way.
from what i have heard, the freeman would likely do as well, maybe better than, several of the best built sportfishers in a tight, steep headsea. i don’t know what your point is. all i wanted to point out is that fishman spoke of real-world conditions. your 35 knot hypotheticals “on any trip whatsoever” would be very impressive. i have yet to ride or, or watch other boats operate with that type of performance. i have read many internet reports of this type of recreational fishing vessel performance. it would be awesome if it were only true.
You are right. What I post did come across that way. I apologize.
What I am wanting is a boat that can run 45kts when needed on avg days when the fleet fishes. To me that’s like a “pick your days” kind of day and someone hurt or a storm to outrun or running late getting in or whatever and needing to run faster than normal.
On the same type day, I want to be able to cruise comfortably at 35kts or more and be doing better than 1 mpg. In my mind’s eye it’s a normal d
10-4 phin. btw, i don’t think that any cargo ships cruise at 35 knots either… you could have clarified all of this by just stating that you were using internet speeds.
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10-4 phin. btw, i don’t think that any cargo ships cruise at 35 knots either… you could have clarified all of this by just stating that you were using internet speeds.
I don’t know. I have seen some running pretty high up there. I have been running next to one and my 33-34kts (calm ocean obviously) was slowly outran. Maybe my GPS shows inflated speeds. Maybe the ship was running late. Maybe the guy on watch was a lunatic.
I do know that the wake from that one would have swamped me if I’d been on anchor or not paying attention.
I think that we have found the problem! I’ve seen a few container ships, but never one that fast. I did a little research because I was again perplexed by your comment.
Twelve cylinders, whose linings alone weigh eight tonnes each, sit ready to accelerate the ship to speeds of nearly 30 knots (55kph). They make the Beaumont and her six sister ships, built to rush Chinese goods to the US east coast, the worlds fastest modern container vessels. But fuel consumption is nearly as high as on the worlds largest container ships, which carry three times as much cargo.
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I could show you where there’s a giant 1,302ft maersk ship on the internet that does 31 knots, internet speed, loaded down, but I know it won’t change your beliefs about botes and speeds offshore.
I could also tell you about how the container ship that outran me was light and running N-NE in the gulf stream. Won’t matter. I am just someone who blabs on the internet I have realized. Guess I need to get pics and video to confirm anything I say. I should have known better.
I still say a 36YF outruns a Freeman 33 in a big following sea anytime. We can talk comfort or we can talk about do what it takes to get to the dock first.
Someone prove me wrong or else carla dee will have to keep researching stuff I’m saying.
Storms and personally injury are the reasons you need to run in the 70s correct? Most of the big boy CCs will run 35knots all day long heck my boat will do that and it only has twins. But I think I understand your point. Why 7 to 10 mph means so much to you. Storms and personally injury are something you feel may happen much like air bags and seat belts. BUT, why not look at a Boston Whaler. Aren’t they the only one making an unsinkable 30 plus foot boat? I mean all the lumber, flipped catamarans, sunken 28.5 mono hulls, they don’t have XM/sirus weather to show you them coming. I am personally more worried about sinking than a hurricane sneaking up on my weather radio.
Again it is a trade off. 7-10 mph when you will only use it in the river just does not seem it should be in the to 5 things you want in a boat. BUT as said before. To each his own.
Hey Bully, kind of cool that we are now talking about the speed of container ships in the same thread as your boat. Anyone know a container ship owner? Never really had a itch to do it but after reading this maybe they will let me run a few lines off the back.
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
7-10mph doesn’t matter but I’ve yet to get an answer from scootin as to why he likes a 31ft with twin 250’s so much rather than having a single screw 28 or 31 bertram or something that’d have way more room, a better ride, and fish easier.
He says* only diving and trolling “layout” matter to him and that 7-10mph don’t matter. So why is his favorate boat a 31 Contender again?
Isn’t a Contender an SKA favorite?
Why not put a single 300HP outboard on it? 7-10mph don’t matter.
Maybe he likes the contender instead of a little Bertram (for example) so that he can get the boat on the trailer and go home at 65mph??? But he is saying that he could pull the boat at 55mph and it not matter to him, right? Only 10mph. Only talking about what the truck is capable of. Only talking about the truck pulling the boat better at 55mph IF the truck is capable of 75mph with the boat.
I understand I think though.
“Speed doesn’t matter.”
Some of you guys really crack me up.
Next repower for the All Rise will be twin 150’s I’m sure, and he’d be fine pulling the boat with a 1/2T pickup instead of a 1T pickup. “No need to go 7-10mph faster… isn’t it more dangerous anyway?”
Who needs to be able to pull a boat down the highway at 75mph anyway???! I mean really.
Not that scootin’s crowd would ever want to get anywhere faster, but for some reason they have a fast offshore boat and 1T pickup to pull it with.
I am learning now.
Speed doesn’t matter.*
Bully is foolish for even posting any speed and fuel consumption numbers on these forums or in answering potential buyers’ questions.
Bully can tell everyone that “7-10mph doesn’t matter.*”
Hey guys, Bolbie said on another thread that the harbor pilot boats run in the 30kts range offshore if I understood him correctly.
I think they do at least that speed but thought I’d ask you ocean speed experts since my boat is so slow in the ocean that stuff like pilot boats and container ships outrunning me is all I can describe. Not sure how fast they’re actually going since anything over 25kts is blazingly fast in the ocean I guess.
Saturday is “Go day”! Weather looks snotty but we are going to see what she will do! Told Bully to bring the boat we will bring the fishing gear. I hope we can get her bloody!!!
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
