edd is the man… he helped me build the dredge and showed me how to rigg the fish the proper way… also got some of that tuna/hooo for table fair… couldnt be a nice guy. nothing went to waste and he will give his time up to help others…
Would be nice if the YFT would pass our way again!
or kings
quote:I think you just went over about 99% of heads...
Originally posted by scfisherman89Well which is it, There or Here?
quote:Break out the jorts!
Originally posted by jeepersor kings
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Originally posted by natureboyI’ll bring the FACTS!
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But you didn’t answer my question: Why is it hard to find a head boat these days? (I’m asking because I honestly don’t know, never thought about it. Had I been so inclined to look, I didn’t know one would be tough to find.)
Why has no one called alias on this cat? B-liners open Monday…I’m going to do a service to the ocean, keep my max crew limit of.those.Bastards, and use them for fertilizer in the orchard.
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don’t tell them where they know the fish.
- More Maxims of Mark, Johnson, 1927
31’ Contender
“Touche”
250 HPDIs
quote:Because customers aren't allowed to catch anything any more... Just a few years ago, there were a few boats on Shem Creek (Thunderstar and Gulfsteam). Probably 90% of their catch was vermillion. They typically fished out as deep as the 30 fathom ledge. The limit used to be like 10-15 vermillion per person and the feds dropped it to 5 per person, and closed the season Nov-March. Not only that, but NOAA passed some stupid law that boats over 60 feet cannot go more than 10knts within 10 nm of the coastline. Furthermore fuel has gone up a ton in the last 5 years... So, how is it that a headboat business can stay in business with those restrictions and charge $125 a head? They CAN'T...
Originally posted by bonecrusherquote:
Originally posted by natureboyI’ll bring the FACTS!
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But you didn’t answer my question: Why is it hard to find a head boat these days? (I’m asking because I honestly don’t know, never thought about it. Had I been so inclined to look, I didn’t know one would be tough to find.)
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Originally posted by bonecrusherquote:
Originally posted by natureboyI’ll bring the FACTS!
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But you didn’t answer my question: Why is it hard to find a head boat these days? (I’m asking because I honestly don’t know, never thought about it. Had I been so inclined to look, I didn’t know one would be tough to find.)
No I do not agree to disagree. You admitted that you "didn’t have the time to look up the facts. I called your hand and you folded, and i stated the facts about swords . You will never find a single study that shows a reduction in sword numbers. You shifted gears so many times in this thread that your clutch was hot.
Head boats are gone because of mentality like yours. The SAFMC created so many restrictions and limits because of “feelings and guesses” that headboats have been regulated out of business. The Carolina Clipper was one of the last, but when the customers were told that they couldnt keep any red snapper or BSB, coupled with increased fuel prices killed the industry, and the speed restrictions to supposedly protect whales. This is why I have so little patience with anybody that states the enviro left bull**** and dosent have time to seek the real facts. The Thunderstar was a mighty vessel - it roared when its 3 detroit engines were fired up! It could barely turn around in Shem Creek. It rushed from the jetties to the ledge at over 25 kts. At sea you could hear it 20 miles away. Now many of the head boats are oil well taxis in the gulf. Families that fished a lifetime struggled.
If you don’t believe me - ask some of t
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Originally posted by natureboyquote:
Originally posted by bonecrusherquote:
Originally posted by natureboyI’ll bring the FACTS!
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But you didn’t answer my question: Why is it hard to find a head boat these days? (I’m asking because I honestly don’t know, never thought about it. Had I been so inclined to look, I didn’t know one would be tough to find.)
No I do not agree to disagree. You admitted that you "didn’t have the time to look up the facts. I called your hand and you folded, and i stated the facts about swords . You will never find a single study that shows a reduction in sword numbers. You shifted gears so many times in this thread that your clutch was hot.
Head boats are gone because of mentality like yours. The SAFMC created so many restrictions and limits because of “feelings and guesses” that headboats have been regulated out of business. The Carolina Clipper was one of the last, but when the customers were told that they couldnt keep any red snapper or BSB, coupled with increased fuel prices killed the industry, and the speed restrictions to supposedly protect whales. This is why I have so little patience with anybody that states the enviro left bull**** and dosent have time to seek the real facts. The Thunderstar was a mighty vessel - it roared when its 3 detroit engines were fired up! It could barely turn around in Shem Creek. It rushed from the jetties to the ledge at over 25 kts. At sea you could
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Originally posted by natureboyquote:
Originally posted by bonecrusherquote:
Originally posted by natureboyI’ll bring the FACTS!
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But you didn’t answer my question: Why is it hard to find a head boat these days? (I’m asking because I honestly don’t know, never thought about it. Had I been so inclined to look, I didn’t know one would be tough to find.)
No I do not agree to disagree. You admitted that you "didn’t have the time to look up the facts. I called your hand and you folded, and i stated the facts about swords . You will never find a single study that shows a reduction in sword numbers. You shifted gears so many times in this thread that your clutch was hot.
Head boats are gone because of mentality like yours. The SAFMC created so many restrictions and limits because of “feelings and guesses” that headboats have been regulated out of business. The Carolina Clipper was one of the last, but when the customers were told that they couldnt keep any red snapper or BSB, coupled with increased fuel prices killed the industry, and the speed restrictions to supposedly protect whales. This is why I have so little patience with anybody that states the enviro left bull**** and dosent have time to seek the real facts. The Thunderstar was a mighty vessel - it roared when its 3 detroit engines were fired up! It could barely turn around in Shem Creek. It rushed from the jetties to the ledge at over 25 kts. At sea you could
Carl…Don’t play into this trolls BS! All he is trying to do is get a rise out of you.
I smell an alias
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by sellsfishCarl…Don’t play into this trolls BS! All he is trying to do is get a rise out of you.
I smell an alias
I agree. Too many reversals. I do hope that we solve our regulatory mess and get this resolved with true data and not bs
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
nice i am on it…soon
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Twin 115 Yammers
Honey Dew This
a man can fish for his entire life, 'fore he realizes its not the fish he has pursued!!!
Looking forward to a report mr kalish. Nice to see you posting again
“mr keys”
man I was getting excited about fishing, but you guys need some yarn and knitting needles… sheesh!
nice fish…garbage garbage
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Originally posted by natureboy[quote]Originally posted by bonecrusher
[quote]Originally posted by natureboy
I’ll bring the FACTS!
No I do not agree to disagree. You admitted that you "didn’t have the time to look up the facts. I called your hand and you folded, and i stated the facts about swords . You will never find a single study that shows a reduction in sword numbers. You shifted gears so many times in this thread that your clutch was hot.
I think I would like to play devil advocate for a second here…since apparently anyone standing in the middle ground is subject to steamrolling…
1st - Where did you “State the Facts” about swords? Stating a fact implies you provided evidence. Just because you said so, doesn’t make it so.
There is a good bit of evidence out there that average catch size of swordfish declined significantly from the 60’s (or earlier) thru late 90’s. Most sane people realize that this is an indicator of over fishing.
At what point did the disgust with Snapper/Grouper management turn into “all science is wrong”? Believe me, I don’t like SC getting S/G management decisions based on Floridas problems. But lets be honest here…Swordfish are not grouper…the swordfish off FLA show up at the Bump and at the Grand Banks…we can agree on that, right?
One of the primary complaints I have seen here by Phin et al. is scientific sources/methods…and while I agree that making S/G management decisions based on what the R/V Lady Lisa has caught in Chevron traps is ridiculous, I would like to point out that most of the sword data for ICAAT studies came from the longline sword fleet…
IMHO, if you’re gonna ***** about the source of the science, you cannot have it both ways…because someone will eventuall
Its hard to prove that something didn’t happen. This is why I asked for data and facts about sword pop numbers.They don’t exist. The sword scare was started in 1997 by some NC sport fishers that thought that long liners were catching “their” fish. There was huge publicity occuring at the time by enviro groups about the supposed horror of long line fishing. Peta, ED, and PEW were more than happy to jump on the bandwagon and exploit this fracture in the fishing community. Interestlingly, this was about the same time that the eternal mayor Rieley of Charleston SC wanted to establish a long liners dock near the SC aquarium — until his lefty support slapped his hand. ICCAT has no data or numbers until years after this scare. Check out http://ca-seafood.ucdavis.edu/news/swftruth.htm
NOAA and the SAFMC has stagnated under Lubenchenko & Cupka have made such obvious concessions to the enviro groups. They make new laws so rapidly that the laws they made before have no chance to work! It seems that almost everybody on the council wants to “leave their mark”. The “mark” in many cases has been destruction of an industry.
The swords you mention off florida are also in the gulf, off the equitorial convergence zone - the African coast and even in the Med sea. The species is world wide. I have fished all my life. When I was stationed in Italy instead of playing with all the bad girls on the strip,(not that I never did) I hung around the docks and got a pt job on a harpoon boat - we drifted the Amalfi coast in a stripped down gondola at night looking for a swords huge eye reflecting the light from a gas lantern. I still have dreams about the first time I heaved a spear into that fishes back and held on while we were towed all over the sea!
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Originally posted by Post Quartermasterquote:<hr
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Originally posted by natureboyIts hard to prove that something didn’t happen. This is why I asked for data and facts about sword pop numbers.They don’t exist. The sword scare was started in 1997 by some NC sport fishers that thought that long liners were catching “their” fish. There was huge publicity occuring at the time by enviro groups about the supposed horror of long line fishing. Peta, ED, and PEW were more than happy to jump on the bandwagon and exploit this fracture in the fishing community. Interestlingly, this was about the same time that the eternal mayor Rieley of Charleston SC wanted to establish a long liners dock near the SC aquarium — until his lefty support slapped his hand. ICCAT has no data or numbers until years after this scare. Check out http://ca-seafood.ucdavis.edu/news/swftruth.htm
I’m confused, your source seems to contradict what you are saying, note the bolded text below.
Your ca-seafood.ucdavis.edu source acknowledges that overfishing and susequently, population recovery occurred:
Prior to 1996, the ICAAT had not established an effective compliance program to ensure that nations honored their harvest quotas in the Atlantic. A few nations ignored their allotted quotas and minimum size regulations, resulting in overfishing. These few nations undermined conservation efforts in the Atlantic.
Recognizing this enforcement loophole, ICCAT officials established a formal compliance system. Beginning in 1997, countries that violate ICCAT conservation measures face substantial reductions in future quotas and possible multi-national trade sanctions. With stringent enforcement measures in place, the decline in North Atlantic swordfish stocks has been halted; fishery regulators look forward to an increase by 1999.
^It’s right there^
As far as d