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Originally posted by skinneejYou have some tiny feet…
us regular height people have regular sized feet…do you have to always point yours towards the bow when shrimping?
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20 years ago, 20 years ago, 20 years ago. A lot has changed. More residents, higher average income, more tourists, more boats at price more people can afford, more access to the tools of the trade for cheaper, ease to information (internet), etc., etc. As Fritz noted, instant gratification has fueled a desire for even faster gratification. So, there’s going to be some resentment from those that learned and experienced the “old” hard way. If they had access to info and equipment back then like is available now, it would probably be a good bet that they would take advantage of it as well. It’s a new world, changing every day. Try to influence the change for the better is the best you can do… and part of that is reminding others of the way things used to be. For fun, 20 years ago:
- some of the hot movies were Toy Story, Apollo 13, Clueless, Billy Madison, Braveheart
- Champions were 49ers, Braves, Rockets, Devils, Graf, Sampras, UCLA basketball, Nebraska football, and Thunder Gulch won the Derby
- Grammy album of they year and best rock song were by Alanis Morissette (just threw up a little)
- Jerry Garcia died and Selena was murdered
- Oklahoma City bombing happened
- Operation Desert Storm officially ended
- OJ Simpson found not guilty (Blanco Bronco, if the glove don’t fit)
- Appeals court upheld woman’s plea to enter Citadel
- Dow Index topped 5000 for first time
- Christopher Reeve was paralyzed and Hugh Grant arrested for lewd conduct (not connected!)
Some may have felt a little nostalgia, some are asking what any of that is about. Change happens
Your rant makes no sense, at least not to me. Wait you r one of the guys learning everything on the internet
Not that we all need to be giving away locations but its just selfish to act like any piece of public water is your own. Sometimes y’all act like you’re Christopher Columbus and discovered a new world ignoring the fact that the natives have been around for awhile. News flash, somebody has been there done that already. I find it ironic that food stamps are mentioned by the same folks that feel entitled to their own personal shrimping grounds in public water. Have you ever visited a tourist attraction(in or out of charleston), been to the beach before, visited a national monument or park? Well guess what then you are just as guilty as Joe blow that’s taking his first trip shrimping. You’ve taken advantage of a public resource just like joe. There are 7 billion people in this world, it’s not all yours, get used to it.?
Society is built on sharing information. This is humanities greatest tool. Remember as a kid when that single child wanted to play with your toys but wouldn’t let you play with his? Fine example of southern hospitality here. Yall are right we should act like a bunch of stuck up yankees wouldn’t give somebody the time of day. The world it just a better place when nobody shares things that make them happy.?
Ill believe y’all do everything the hard way when I see you row by in your hand made boat throwing the net you made with the cotton you grew.?
You want privacy then buy it. Pony up big boy.
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way off base, nobody said they own anything, all we said was go find em on your own, do your own friggin work, u will feel better when find em by your self.
quote:The argument is to MAKE FRIENDS and share that information with them... Why tell 7 BILLION PEOPLE about your favorite fishing hole? Whats in it for you? Maybe people think that YOU are selfish for destroying your kid's fishing future... It's all a matter of perspective...
Originally posted by Great WhiteNot that we all need to be giving away locations but its just selfish to act like any piece of public water is your own. Sometimes y’all act like you’re Christopher Columbus and discovered a new world ignoring the fact that the natives have been around for awhile. News flash, somebody has been there done that already. I find it ironic that food stamps are mentioned by the same folks that feel entitled to their own personal shrimping grounds in public water. Have you ever visited a tourist attraction(in or out of charleston), been to the beach before, visited a national monument or park? Well guess what then you are just as guilty as Joe blow that’s taking his first trip shrimping. You’ve taken advantage of a public resource just like joe. There are 7 billion people in this world, it’s not all yours, get used to it.?
Society is built on sharing information. This is humanities greatest tool. Remember as a kid when that single child wanted to play with your toys but wouldn’t let you play with his? Fine example of southern hospitality here. Yall are right we should act like a bunch of stuck up yankees wouldn’t give somebody the time of day. The world it just a better place when nobody shares things that make them happy.?
Ill believe y’all do everything the hard way when I see you row by in your hand made boat throwing the net you made with the cotton you grew.?
You want privacy then buy it. Pony up big boy.
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quote:You mean how like Coca-Cola share's it's recipe with everyone? Or how Colonel Sanders shares his recipe with Bojangles? Or do you mean how most drug companies patent medicines for 17 years and not let anyone else have the rights to it? Or maybe you are referring to how the USA shares it's military secrets with Russia and China, or how we share nuclear technology with Iran and Iraq...
Originally posted by Great WhiteSociety is built on sharing information.
Okay, now I am really confused… So society will be better if all 7 BILLION people are told EXACTLY how, when, where, to catch shrimp in Charleston?
Would it help society if I shared out my book of bottom fishing numbers as well? Will the be as productive as the Charleston 60?
Well said.
It would certainly help me if you shared you book of bottom fishing numbers skinnee. However please do it through PM so that we don’t turn it into the Chas 60. 
But in all seriousness, Skinnee is spot on when he says its in our best interest to protect these valuable things for future generations. The argument that “The fish have been here for years and will always be here for years” is not true. TECHNOLOGY has changed making fishing and finding fish much easier. I believe we are putting more pressure on the resources now than ever when you look at numbers of anglers and current technology. Before you respond and tell me that I’m wrong because “way back when” all the fish almost went extinct to commercial fishing please realize that I mean with our current technology and resources we have the ability to try less and catch more, without strict conservation efforts, rules, regs, and COMMON SENSE. We will soon see fewer and fewer of these “secret” shrimping and fishing holes
Couldn’t have said it better. Those guys sure said a lot of words without actually saying anything about what we’re talking about.
Just think about the children! I guess it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise, given our country’s current economical/political status, that people today show a generally lack in foresight. . . Chalk it up to instant gratification
Maybe some DNR regulation wouldnt be a bad thing if things continue at their current rate.
This is all true, and yet, pressure will increase and continue to do so MUCH faster than regulations can be passed to protect the resource. Unfortunately in SC, the SCDNR does not have the ability to pass laws related to establishing limits, closures, etc. 100% BACKWARDS in this state!!!
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Can you think of any way this can be regulated Opti? Maybe atleast require a license like for baiting to fill a 48. It would atleast be a start.
So 4 days before this was topic was posted, there was a post that started off the same way. It started at the landing, “don’t know which one” a guy is taking out, as their boat is being put in, and tells them he has caught a cooler deep holing. One gives to much detail as far as depth, and kind of where he caught them in their report. The other gives the 3 most important details to deep holing in theres, which I want say what they are. Now to much info is being put on the internet, and the resource is in danger because of deep holing, and reports of. One report is no different than the other, as far as details. Shrimp are no different than doves, they only live about a year and half. There are two regulations that could be changed. 1. Hold off on opening commercial shrimp season until after the roe shrimp have come in. 2. Set shrimping up like turkey hunting you get x amount of tags for all shrimp caught, ie a half a cooler or full, and when they are gone your done. Be careful what you ask for.
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Originally posted by seaoxSo 4 days before this was topic was posted, there was a post that started off the same way. It started at the landing, “don’t know which one” a guy is taking out, as their boat is being put in, and tells them he has caught a cooler deep holing. One gives to much detail as far as depth, and kind of where he caught them in their report. The other gives the 3 most important details to deep holing in theres, which I want say what they are. Now to much info is being put on the internet, and the resource is in danger because of deep holing, and reports of. One report is no different than the other, as far as details. Shrimp are no different than doves, they only live about a year and half. There are two regulations that could be changed. 1. Hold off on opening commercial shrimp season until after the roe shrimp have come in. 2. Set shrimping up like turkey hunting you get x amount of tags for all shrimp caught, ie a half a cooler or full, and when they are gone your done. Be careful what you ask for.
We have seen what the powers at be will do to fishing regulations.
Trying to avoid that.
Yeah on second thought, no government involvement. Just delete these types of posts. It’s not that this post was the only bad one but it was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
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Originally posted by Toothy12It would certainly help me if you shared you book of bottom fishing numbers skinnee. However please do it through PM so that we don’t turn it into the Chas 60.
But in all seriousness, Skinnee is spot on when he says its in our best interest to protect these valuable things for future generations. The argument that “The fish have been here for years and will always be here for years” is not true. TECHNOLOGY has changed making fishing and finding fish much easier. I believe we are putting more pressure on the resources now than ever when you look at numbers of anglers and current technology. Before you respond and tell me that I’m wrong because “way back when” all the fish almost went extinct to commercial fishing please realize that I mean with our current technology and resources we have the ability to try less and catch more, without strict conservation efforts, rules, regs, and COMMON SENSE. We will soon see fewer and fewer of these “secret” shrimping and fishing holes
Toothy, interestingly enough, I can’t wait to hand over my book of bottom numbers to my kids one day. That being said, even my OWN CHILDREN will not have access to them until I know that they appreciate the value of keeping them secret.
Yes compare shrimping techniques to military and corporate secrets. Didn’t I just explain how nobody OWN’s the shrimp or water? And I don’t think shrimp have much to do with national security.
I’m not a shrimper but I’ve stopped by this forum while considering giving it a try. Does it really take that much hard work to learn it? I mean just knowing what shrimping poles are and knowing that “deep holing shrimp” is a thing (common knowledge) narrows it down pretty good. To “learn it the hard way” is just going out on the bay/harbor at night for poling. Or going fishing one day and making an effort to ride by a few deep holes (which many are beyond easy to find) during 2-3 stages of the tide and look for somebody throwing a cast net in the middle of the creek. For either one you can anchor up, throw a few lines in the water, and watch and learn. Is the harbor going to empty out to avoid teaching one more person how to shrimp?
Skinnee correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you post a week ago that 99% of what you know about shrimping was from what you’ve read on here? So it’s fine if YOU learn about shrimping/inshore here but god forbid anyone else does?
Also yall might want to reread the first sentence of my previous post. “Not that we all need to be giving away locations…”
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quote:There is no need to correct you. I posted that to make a point... I think you might have missed it, but I was saying that my participation in shrimping is PROOF of what people are claiming. Honestly, I didn't know what a deep hole shrimp was last year, and would have had no idea why people had funny looking nets. I live in Charleston, but all of my experience is offshore, so I zip right past the inshore guys and never paid them much attention. But here I am stumbling accross the shrimping forum and now I have the "fever". If there wasn't a shrimping forum here, I may never have even gotten into shrimping.
Originally posted by Great WhiteSkinnee correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you post a week ago that 99% of what you know about shrimping was from what you’ve read on here? So it’s fine if YOU learn about shrimping/inshore here but god forbid anyone else does?
So, yes, I think it’s silly and irresponsible for people post seminars on here on how to do XYZ. But, if people are willing to spill the beans, I’m going to read it like the other “7 BILLION people”… I post reports all of the time, but typically I am pretty vague on locations, depths, etc. It’s because I know better. I’m not sharing my bottom book or techniques with perfect strangers by posting on the internet for the world to see. I actually share quite a bit of knowledge (PRIVATELY through F2F, Phone, PM), but I don’t see the need to educate everyone in the world. My job is to make friends and catch fish. I don’t want to create 1 million competitors, and make them as efficient of predators as possible, to compete over a finite amount of resources.
Most advanced fishermen understand that secrets are the reason we even have a fishery. If you don’t like secrets, compare our fishery to Jupiter, FL down to the keys.