greg1, I’d rather bring up a big grouper than a wahoo. about the boat saturday, there was 10 empty spots. 1 poor guy in front of me called and reserved 10 spots for his buddies only 3 showed up. he had to pay for 7 spots $630.00 to fish.
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Originally posted by rhynosorgreg1, I’d rather bring up a big grouper than a wahoo.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>i use to feel that way till we actually started catching wahoo,man what an awesome fish to catch and eat.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up and loudly proclaiming, “WOW! What a ride!”
That was great! SKINNEE 4 PHIN 0
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Originally posted by trippin outThat was great! SKINNEE 4 PHIN 0
Aliases for $1000 please Alex.
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I’m still laughing, trying to picture Wes with a Sharpnose stuck between his a$$cheeks.
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Pat, I’d like to buy a vowel please.
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quote:it could have been a BIG YFT!!!!!
Originally posted by greg1quote:
Originally posted by rhynosorWe will never know, but it’s my fishing story and in my story I would like to think it was a big a@@ grouper.Fair enough?
Hell, why not make it a wahoo?
In all seriousness, how crowded was the boat? Thanks.
I’ve got some Oceanfront Property in Arizona… LET’S GO FISHIN!!
Key West 152 with a 70 yamaha
quote:I think that's pretty reasonable. But, don't sell yourself short. It could have been a nice red snapper too. My father got broke off by a big fish last year on a double hook rig with a 12 oz sinker on it. It was a fiesty fish that fought half way off the bottom until the leader broke. Greg and I put our masks on and we shot a pair of red snappers amongst a few other fish. One snapper was 18# and the other was 22#. Only the 22#'er had a nice double hook rig in his mouth with a 12 oz sinker on it. Another story involved the famous sellsfish. He got broke off by a fish and swore it was a grouper bite. We laughed at him and told him that he probably just snatched a rock. We dove down to the bottom, but mr sellsfish had the last laugh. One of the fish returned with an owner circle hook and about 2 inches of leader in his mouth. It was a red grouper. Notice that I said it had 2 inches of leader attached to the hook. That's the key. On a 6' leader, how on Earth would Mr. Phin know if the hook broke at the knot or the hook cut through, or chafe, etc? He would confidently guess his way into
Originally posted by rhynosor7cs, Thats what I was told it was by the mate John. I think he was a wrestler in school you guys may know him. That’s the only way I identified it.He may have been wrong. skinneej and phin, it’s true I could not tell what it was that was breaking me off. I have caught a lot of sharks been bit off by sharks(spinners,black tip,lemmon,bull ect…) many times when I Lived in Stuart, Florida. While i’m not a 30 year veteran of saltwater fishing. I have been saltwater fishing for 10 years or so.And I swear it looks like the mono broke at the point of hook attachment.We will never know, but it’s my fishing story and in my story I would like to think it was a big a@@ grouper.Fair enough?
quote:1) I'm pretty sure that I put my "money where my mouth was" earlier in this topic and I didn't see a nibble from you. Until you accept that challenge you are blowing smoke out of your ass. 2) The one truth about fishing knowledge is that you don't know ANYTHING until you run a boat. Being a bystander on someone else's boat doesn't make you a good fishing captain. I've seen many people give "solid" advice and when they get their own boat and do it for themselves, suddenly they aren't catching as many fish. It's really funny how that works. 3) Can you please explaining how scuba diving is "giving up on my heritage"? I see that you guys st
Originally posted by PhinI did not say I had not seen spadefish. Spadefish are fun on zebcos, and I regretfully do not always have zebcos on the bote.
And I’m glad you think that I’ve fished offshore here for a year. If what I’ve done since I was 5 or 6 amounts to a year, then I’m guessing your bottom fishing experiences can be for only slightly longer than a year at best. But you gave up bottom fishing and went to diving; that puts your experience back down to only a few months. Admit it. You gave up on your heritage. You gave up on Charleston. Perhaps that is why my experiences slightly to the south of your worn out and haggard spots offshore mean nothing to you now. You are convinced that you will turn it back around for your town, and you must start off by not recognizing anything to the south of Charleston as offshore of South Carolina.
If you were better with your sonar, then maybe you’d not be so quick to jump in and get visual verification that you have in fact dropped your buoy on a 2’ ledge that’s almost as prolifically covered with lobsters as greg1’s old tuscaloosa dorm room was with roaches. I reckon diving is good for something, huh?
Now you have forced my photobucket hand.
Let’s dispense with all the theory and “assumptions” as you say.
Two 4-person red snapper limits in two consecutive offshore trips when my good friend allowed me to run his bote to some of my snapper holes…
I know what my hooks and leaders did here…
Did you say something about being a bystander vs. running a bote??? Thought I heard something about a guy giving sound advice but not being able to put a bote on the fish himself…
Just curious.
Lesson: Pick a species other than red snapper if you want to talk trash here.
May I suggest YFT? I respectfully admit that I know very little about catching those meat missiles. I remember sort of lucking up and catching a few when I was younger and we had a 29 Luhrs. I think we were using feathers too. That was before the internet; so I don’t know how we figured that one out. I hope you will share some of your knowledge with me some day…
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Amazing. You’ve plugged your grandaddy’s #'s into somebody else’s GPS on TWO trips now and you are a professional! Were these two trips where you got your knot breaking expertise and sonar reading skills from?
Good stuff.
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Originally posted by skinneejAmazing. You’ve plugged your grandaddy’s #'s into somebody else’s GPS on TWO trips now and you are a professional! Were these two trips where you got your knot breaking expertise and sonar reading skills from?
Good stuff.
Are you saying you have never received #'s from someone? That’s that heritage thing I touched on earlier; remember?
I got my knot breaking expertise mostly on this trip with two fine bottom fishing captains:
I was definately just a bystander on that one though…
I think I had a more active role in this one-
Note: the absense of gags in the above pic clearly shows that there was also some knot breaking education involved that day
Almost forgot about the sonar reading skills. I will try and get some more pics for you sometime soon. Simply loan me your Furuno unit and 600W Airmar, and I’ll snap some shots of what good fish look like on your own unit for you if you’d like…
This is what B liners look like on a lowrance. Can you believe some guy pulled up on this show and told everybody to drop em down and get the B liners? Must be lucky…
Remember that I’m waiting for YFT advice with baited breath…
quote:1) I'm not the one on the internet posing as the resident expert. That's you. That's the part that you are not getting. I just came in and said that you can't rule out sharks as a culprit. Then you went off on your usual tangent about how you know more about bottom fishing than everyone else. 2) Nobody understood your heritage comment and even with this, still don't. 3) Both of those pictures are from another captain's catch.
Originally posted by PhinAre you saying you have never received #'s from someone? That’s that heritage thing I touched on earlier; remember?
The best tip I can give you about YFT’s is to not act like a jackass on the internet and always keep your mind open to all the possibilities.
Come on Phin. B-liners? That’s the best you got? Did you not read what I said earlier about showing me something other than B-liners? Maybe you didn’t pick up on it because I used the word “vermillion”. Show me a picture and circle all of the gags and scamps and red snapper on there. Show me what a red porgy looks like on the sonar.
I’m not saying that you can’t make educated guesses about what is on the bottom and get it right once in a while. Phin, have you ever observed life at the bottom of the sea? Would it suprise you to know that cobia and red snapper sometimes swim with AJ’s, that usually bigger AJ’s are loners (not always in a school as you pointed out earlier), that sometimes schools of vermillion are mixed in with other species such as black bass, triggers, etc. Fish are not as segregated on the bottom as you think. You have absolutely no clue to what is down there. Every piece of bottom looks different and fish interact with the bottom in different ways. I’ve seen limestone bottoms where grouper and red snapper are literally in completely mixed company and I’ve seen bottoms where grouper stay in their holes until you pass them. I’ve seen schools of cigar minnows, scups, amberjacks, rudderfish, bonita, mackerals, cobia, etc. I’ve seen loner trigger fish to schools with up to 200 triggers in them. I’ve seen grouper swim hundreds of yards up a ledge when you are sitting on anchor thinking that fish are glued to one spot. I’ve seen queen triggers, loner vermillions to schools of up to 1000. You’ve seen none of this.
I know WAY more about what it looks like down there than you ever will and it eats you up inside. Just get yourself certified and open up your eyes that your assumptions are not always correct.
The thing that clearly paints you out as the loser in this argument is that you will not even accept the possibility that some things that you say could be wrong. Not to get personal, but that’s the best way to spot an idiot.
quote:No Sir. You went off on how you know more about bottom fishing than everyone else since you dive. I agreed with someone else in my first post. That person is very knowledgeable re: offshore fishing I believe. I simply shared my experiences and my opinions based on facts that I have personally witnessed.
Originally posted by skinneejquote:1) I'm not the one on the internet posing as the resident expert. That's you. That's the part that you are not getting. I just came in and said that you can't rule out sharks as a culprit. Then you went off on your usual tangent about how you know more about bottom fishing than everyone else.
Originally posted by PhinAre you saying you have never received #'s from someone? That’s that heritage thing I touched on earlier; remember?
quote:Does that mean you get a get out of jail free card since you got cocky enough to make statements to the affect of me not being able to catch bottom fish unless I was a bystander?
2) Nobody understood your heritage comment and even with this, still don't.
quote:No Sir. The only pic from another captain's catch is the one in front of the latice. <blockquote
3) Both of those pictures are from another captain's catch.
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Originally posted by skinneejCome on Phin. B-liners? That’s the best you got? Did you not read what I said earlier about showing me something other than B-liners? Maybe you didn’t pick up on it because I used the word “vermillion”. Show me a picture and circle all of the gags and scamps and red snapper on there. Show me what a red porgy looks like on the sonar.
Red porgies are mixed in with everything. You know this.
I don’t have any pics of the sounder when it showed grouper or ARS. I was too busy trying to get them in the bote so we’d have the better looking pix. Perhaps when the MPA’s go into affect I can get more sounder footage for you. What would happen if you scuba dove inside an MPA to verify my sonar translation? Would we go to jail over an internet argument? Serious.
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quote:Negative. I just told the guy he couldn't rule out sharks. I never said that I knew more about bottom fishing because I am a diver. I just used some hard evidence that came from actually seeing with my own eyes what is down there. I know that you don't like any kind of hard evidence that shoots down your theories so I can understand your bitterness here.
Originally posted by PhinNo Sir. You went off on how you know more about bottom fishing than everyone else since you dive. I agreed with someone else in my first post. That person is very knowledgeable re: offshore fishing I believe. I simply shared my experiences and my opinions based on facts that I have personally witnessed.
quote:What does an MPA have anything to do with the price of rice in china? This is where you fail in arguments. You can't even logically flow from one point to the next. Sometimes I really think that you have a big wheel of stupid fishing ideas in your bedroom that you spin and just type up whatever it lands on.
Originally posted by PhinRed porgies are mixed in with everything. You know this.
I don’t have any pics of the sounder when it showed grouper or ARS. I was too busy trying to get them in the bote so we’d have the better looking pix. Perhaps when the MPA’s go into affect I can get more sounder footage for you. What would happen if you scuba dove inside an MPA to verify my sonar translation? Would we go to jail over an internet argument? Serious.
What are MPA’s going to give you that you can’t get from a non-MPA area? Also, diving is not illegal inside of MPA’s, but unfortunately most of the MPA area is deeper than where I would like to dive.
What hard evidence has shot down any theories?
You mean like when you say ARS school with others of the same size based on what you see diving, but as we caught the big ones in the pic above, we were throwing back 14 and 15" ones off the same 20x20 spot?
I am not bitter dude. It’s just fun to let you get going and then see how you can get your foot into your mouth somehow even when you’ve been right up until that point.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:What does an MPA have anything to do with the price of rice in china? This is where you fail in arguments. You can't even logically flow from one point to the next. Sometimes I really think that you have a big wheel of stupid fishing ideas in your bedroom that you spin and just type up whatever it lands on.
Originally posted by PhinRed porgies are mixed in with everything. You know this.
I don’t have any pics of the sounder when it showed grouper or ARS. I was too busy trying to get them in the bote so we’d have the better looking pix. Perhaps when the MPA’s go into affect I can get more sounder footage for you. What would happen if you scuba dove inside an MPA to verify my sonar translation? Would we go to jail over an internet argument? Serious.
What are MPA’s going to give you that you can’t get from a non-MPA area? Also, diving is not illegal inside of MPA’s, but unfortunately most of the MPA area is deeper than where I would like to dive.
Take some deep breaths and read more slowly. I know that you’re not used to talking to someone that you can’t get a grip on. You’re all over the place with me. You go from S&M sharkland to saying your knowledge or reasoning on something or another is superior to mine since you have an engineering background or scientific education. Who says I can’t have a scientific background myself? Who says I didn’t take a couple fisheries courses instead of the fact-twisting courses or whatever it is you think that I tend to do?
If I was over an MPA looking at the bottom, it’d be for a purpose with no more