Notice I edited the post to reflect a correction. The correction: I will give it to you 100% that competing in a tournament for slot reds weighing only fractions of an ounce from each other is much harder. However, I made that statement in the context of just catching redfish. I believe you will admit that just catching redfish is pretty simple to do if you are a good angler. But, Yes, catching specific redfish is much harder–especially this time of the year. From June until the water gets real cold, its not rocket science though. I actually think catching a comensurate amount of flounder on a hook and line is harder than the same number of redfish in a day.
RADDADDY…it is flipper eating all the young redfish (ha,ha). Right before I left in 2011, I saw Mama flipper teaching baby flipper how to catch them in the Wando. They toss em, play with em, and then down the hatch (ha,ha)–that’s just a joke BTW and being lighthearted about it. Hope the trend does not continue though.
2012 Skeeter ZX22 Bay
Yamaha 250 hp SHO
Minnkota Riptide 101
Hmmm…it even has pictures. Yeap, it looks pretty simple. If there is any doubt, I just put them back. It’s not worth the effort, the fine, or the trouble.
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
really? that would mean 15 is illegal and 23 is illegal,thus anything between would be more than 15 and less than 23???
quote:Originally posted by flyinghigh
Between 15 and 23 not 23 1/2 pretty simple really.
2012 Skeeter ZX22 Bay
Yamaha 250 hp SHO
Minnkota Riptide 101
Hmmm…it even has pictures. Yeap, it looks pretty simple. If there is any doubt, I just put them back. It’s not worth the effort, the fine, or the trouble.</font id=“red”>
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
really? that would mean 15 is illegal and 23 is illegal,thus anything between would be more than 15 and less than 23???
quote:Originally posted by flyinghigh
Between 15 and 23 not 23 1/2 pretty simple really.
2012 Skeeter ZX22 Bay
Yamaha 250 hp SHO
Minnkota Riptide 101
That’s</font id=“red”> the best advice I’ve seen in this whole thread.
toppyblue, you’re splitting hairs. Try figuring out the “Catch 5 and your done” rule for Stripers in the summer at Lake Murray.
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It aint confuzin simply ambiguous,1.5 miles is between one and two miles.one mile and two miles is not between.It is called english.BETWEEN .Then comes the tail squeeze???Another point of ambiquity. Who in the world can take a live fish,squeeze his tail fins together and measure him???Any sensible jury would throw that out of court.
It amazes me how someone can support harming breeders in large numbers then say they are fine and at the same time claim puppy drum populations are down(with no explanation),,,then report that flippers are tossing them in the air playing with them,then reporting sightings of large schools!!
In the past 5 years I have observed plentiful schools of puppy drum both feeding close to the banks and being chased by dolphins…
Why report otherwise??? Look, they are plentiful,why not admit that? Each area can support only so many,then the predators thin em out…me being one of the predators(for food).
All this crap started because I simply reported that current laws force me to kill more than I am allowed to keep. All the protectionist negative name calling does is provide fuel for the fire!Common sense left when the self righteous do gooders started taking over in the early 70’s.It is all about ME ME ME and screw THEM.
There will never be laws against fishing for food.
Contact your reps and get limits changed!Then contact HSUS and get the sport molesting of breeders stopped.
quote:Originally posted by RADDADDY
How is a 15-23 inch slot limit be confusing? Nobody can be this dumb.
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
really? that would mean 15 is illegal and 23 is illegal,thus anything between would be more than 15 and less than 23???
Who in the world can take a live fish,squeeze his tail fins together and measure him?
sigh Another moronic statement. This is simple and done for every catch, photo, release tournament, every live fish weigh-in (like the LCRC on Sat), and done by every DNR officer when checking your catch. You can easily and accurately measure a live fish without harming it.
All you are is an idiot who makes a few trips a year to the coast and want to keep more redfish than what the law allows at this time. A word of advise, broaden your depth of knowledge on how to have success with other inshore species, then maybe you can be happy with the amount of meat you can take back up to the upstate. Otherwise, you can keep p***ing and moaning for nothing cause the laws on redfish size or numbers ain’t changing anytime soon.
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
It aint confuzin simply ambiguous,1.5 miles is between one and two miles.one mile and two miles is not between.It is called english.BETWEEN .Then comes the tail squeeze???Another point of ambiquity. Who in the world can take a live fish,squeeze his tail fins together and measure him???Any sensible jury would throw that out of court.
It amazes me how someone can support harming breeders in large numbers then say they are fine and at the same time claim puppy drum populations are down(with no explanation),,,then report that flippers are tossing them in the air playing with them,then reporting sightings of large schools!!
In the past 5 years I have observed plentiful schools of puppy drum both feeding close to the banks and being chased by dolphins…
Why report otherwise??? Look, they are plentiful,why not admit that? Each area can support only so many,then the predators thin em out…me being one of the predators(for food).
All this crap started because I simply reported that current laws force me to kill more than I am allowed to keep. All the protectionist negative name calling does is provide fuel for the fire!Common sense left when the self righteous do gooders started taking over in the early 70’s.It is all about ME ME ME and screw THEM.
There will never be laws against fishing for food.
Contact your reps and get limits changed!Then contact HSUS and get the sport molest
moronic??? hell. it is all I can do to put them on the cooler lid long enough to get a measurement(without them flopping)…put up a video showing this with a live flopping fish and I will eat crow!! The longer you keep them out of water(oxygen) the more docile they will be(suffocating).Of course that would not affect their ability to survive. You so called experts are very quick at name calling when you realize something you swear by is questioned…I have seen all those photos of the big breeder reds not moving while photographed(gotta be good for them because some of you know how to do it with no harm).Leave the breeders alone,eat what you catch,or leave them alone.Suffocating fish for fun and photos may make you proud but the general treehugging population would frown on that.
Come on master Optiker show me a video of a live healthy fresh fish having his tail squeezed…not some suffocated dying fish that is gonna wind up dolphin food instaed of laying eggs.
This is a waste of my time but sooner or later HSUS will target harming of fish just for sport…Good luck.
quote:Originally posted by Optiker
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
Who in the world can take a live fish,squeeze his tail fins together and measure him?
sigh Another moronic statement. This is simple and done for every catch, photo, release tournament, every live fish weigh-in (like the LCRC on Sat), and done by every DNR officer when checking your catch. You can easily and accurately measure a live fish without harming it.
Make a trip down to IOP Marina Saturday bout 3:30 for a little education. I’d love to meet you in person anyway. Make sure to bring me some of those stainless steel Gamakatsu circle octopus hooks if you’re able to come.
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
moronic??? hell. it is all I can do to put them on the cooler lid long enough to get a measurement(without them flopping)…put up a video showing this with a live flopping fish and I will eat crow!! The longer you keep them out of water(oxygen) the more docile they will be(suffocating).Of course that would not affect their ability to survive. You so called experts are very quick at name calling when you realize something you swear by is questioned…I have seen all those photos of the big breeder reds not moving while photographed(gotta be good for them because some of you know how to do it with no harm).Leave the breeders alone,eat what you catch,or leave them alone.Suffocating fish for fun and photos may make you proud but the general treehugging population would frown on that.
Come on master Optiker show me a video of a live healthy fresh fish having his tail squeezed…not some suffocated dying fish that is gonna wind up dolphin food instaed of laying eggs.
This is a waste of my time but sooner or later HSUS will target harming of fish just for sport…Good luck.
quote:Originally posted by Optiker
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
Who in the world can take a live fish,squeeze his tail fins together and measure him?
sigh Another moronic statement. This is simple and don
Oh my God! Please stop molesting those redfish BigSkrimpin. They will never be the same again. Doubt they made it 30 yards without flipper eating them! That was the most disturbing video I’ve seen in a while. I just might forward it to PETA.
Man, debating toppybloo is like trying to taeach a pig to sing. You end up annoying the pig and feeling stupid. There is no talking any sense with this guy. He has his agenda (whatever it is) and he knows he is right. All you Redfish Barons need to leave him alone.
“Apathy is the Glove in Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
Come on rattatat, The one year old(12 months) red averages 13 inches and the two year old(24 months) average is greater than 21 inches…since they spawn in August the best time to catch"legal" fish would be October(more keepers) HMMMM seems changing the limits might in fact help.Can’t you see that???
quote:Originally posted by RADDADDY
No problem, Skeeter. We will welcome you with open arms when you return. Truth is, numbers of juvenile reds statewide have been WAY down in the last 3 years due to many factors. The spawning population seems to be fairly stable, but the the 2-4 year old year classes have been weak. We did have a decent 1 year old class this year.
quote:Originally posted by Skeeter22
RADDADDY,
I’d love too; however, it is a little tough to do it from 10,000 miles away in Okinawa, Japan. I do plan on fishing some of the local tournaments this summer when I get back. But, I will have to say the torunament you are fishing this weekend will be tough. It is going to be tough because of the conditions of the water temps. You know that is true. For most of the year (roughly 7 months or so), any experienced angler worth his salt should have not problem catching a redfish. They really are not that smart. Because of the laws in place now protecting the redfish, there are likley more redfish now than I can ever remeber growing up fishing on the Wando River. Lots of redfish makes it easier to catch them. Back in the old days when the redfish were thin, of course, it was harder to catch them. Even still, they are by far not the smartest fish in the water, and they love to eat.
Thanks for the invite. I really do plan on getting invovled in the tournaments when I get back. It should be fun…win, lose, or draw.
Come on rattatat, The one year old(12 months) red averages 13 inches and the two year old(24 months) average is greater than 21 inches…since they spawn in August the best time to catch"legal" fish would be October(more keepers) HMMMM seems changing the limits might in fact help.Can’t you see that???
quote:Originally posted by RADDADDY
No problem, Skeeter. We will welcome you with open arms when you return. Truth is, numbers of juvenile reds statewide have been WAY down in the last 3 years due to many factors. The spawning population seems to be fairly stable, but the the 2-4 year old year classes have been weak. We did have a decent 1 year old class this year.
quote:Originally posted by Skeeter22
RADDADDY,
I’d love too; however, it is a little tough to do it from 10,000 miles away in Okinawa, Japan. I do plan on fishing some of the local tournaments this summer when I get back. But, I will have to say the torunament you are fishing this weekend will be tough. It is going to be tough because of the conditions of the water temps. You know that is true. For most of the year (roughly 7 months or so), any experienced angler worth his salt should have not problem catching a redfish. They really are not that smart. Because of the laws in place now protecting the redfish, there are likley more redfish now than I can ever remeber growing up fishing on the Wando River. Lots of redfish makes it easier to catch them. Back in the old days when the redfish were thin, of course, it was harder to catch them. Even still, they are by far not the smartest f
I’ll make a video for you on Sunday if I get out. You might learn something. Funny, I made an accurate, pinched tail measurement on a red in December, tagged it, released it, and RECAPTURED it in February STILL ALIVE!!! HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
You, Wiggers, and Archambault are all part of the conspiracy. Protectionists I tell ya. Where does it end?
quote:Originally posted by Optiker
I’ll make a video for you on Sunday if I get out. You might learn something. Funny, I made an accurate, pinched tail measurement on a red in December, tagged it, released it, and RECAPTURED it in February STILL ALIVE!!! HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
All this crap started because I simply reported that current laws force me to kill more than I am allowed to keep.
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If you can’t catch fish without killing the majority of them, then you are doing something wrong. Change your techniques, change your hooks(no stainless or plated hooks). No one is forcing you to kill any fish to get keepers. You sir, are the one who must change. I fish, and I catch and release, and I am willing to bet that 90% of all the fish I release live to be caught another day.
Give it a rest toppyblue and change the way you fish. Simple as that. I, for one, am tired of your rants.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Bob Van Gundy
Marine Designs,Inc.
Custom Aluminum Fabrication
803-727-4069
I dont know about the singing thing but when you step on toes the pigs sure do squeal!
that was a great video…Did not see any of the infamous tail squeezing…Wonder if the breeder that broke off was gut hooked??/If he was the hook will dissolve before it punctures his internal organs(for real)NOT!.1 dead out of three aint too bad.
Seroiusly I enjoyed the video and hope we (YOU and me) can enjoy this type adventure forever.Sadly though a video like this could be used against us…
quote:Originally posted by DFreedom
Man, debating toppybloo is like trying to taeach a pig to sing. You end up annoying the pig and feeling stupid. There is no talking any sense with this guy. He has his agenda (whatever it is) and he knows he is right. All you Redfish Barons need to leave him alone.
“Apathy is the Glove in Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
