This man accidentally bumped one of the bikers after he purposely brake checked him. The vehicle contained a man, his wife, and their child of an age less than 5.(Not specified)
Saw this on Reddit and immediately thought of what I would do in this situation. Exactly what the driver did. I would be scared for my life, and I don’t care what anyone says about packing heat, there are over 100 angry bikers, I know they wouldn’t stop just over a gun. What would you do? Family is in the car with you. You can see at the end when they get out and start to “riot” and get him out of the car. The video ends then.
EDIT: Just to throw my personal opinion in, I completely agree with Geronimo. Whatever I had in that car would be used to protect my family and myself and would stop at nothing to protect them. When I saw this video, my stomach turned just from the thought. Id be scared for my life!
Me, I would have never let off the gas and been moving forward and reverse until I either got drug out, or I had a clear path to escape. I am in a 3 ton tank, and they are on foot. The minute I stopped I would be in reverse, then forward.
I would say I would pull out my gun and start shooting, but this is NYC, and as a law abiding citizen, it would be left at home.
Plus I keep an 11" knife by my seat, so the first person to reach through the window would have gotten stabbed in the face.
Graphic and violent I know, but when its self defense, there are no rules, esp. when my kid is in the back seat.
Ask yourself this. You are sitting in a car with your family surrounded by 100 bikers. Your car is blocked, and they start advancing. For 21 seconds, how many times do you think you and your families life can flash before your eyes. 21 sec. of watching a mob of people advance on you has got to be terrifying. Nothing short of what our soldiers experience in battle. This guy did nothing wrong except let off the gas. And it appears that the NYPD feels the same way.
I would have done the same as the driver. If I had a gun in the car at my disposal, the guy that broke my window at the end would have taken a bullet as well as any others that continued to try to gain entrance into my vehicle. I may have run out of bullets, but I would just hope that after the first or second guy went down they would think twice before coming any closer. That escalated into a very tough situation to say the least!
Looks like legitimate street justice on the Range Rover’s part. Like RWL, I probably would’ve run out of rounds, but at least some of those bikers wouldn’t be getting back up. Intense situation for sure.
Absolutely would have done the same thing! except I’d have put the ones chasing me in the side rail and never have gotten off the highway till the police showed up. I cant stand people who run in gangs or mobs. Can you just imagine? wife scared to death, baby screaming, it would have sent me into a rage. Great argument in favor of high capacity mags, actually think I’m going to start keeping an couple of extra clips in my center console. I’m actually a very very laid back easy going kind of guy and not many things push my buttons but thuggery in any form is one of them. The Idea of law abiding decent citizens being victimized by groups of idiots who have no respect for the law or simple common decency makes my blood boil. Saw something similar happen during blk bike week in mb a few years back and if I’d been a carrier then I’d very likely be posting this from prison right now. Dammit this kind of crap pisses me off. OK I’m done now, sorry to rant, Carry on.
Was only in m b to fish if I had known that particular gathering was taking place I’d have foregone my deposit and come to Folly like I usually do
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She’s little, but she’s pretty, skinny and fast.
If that had happened to me and my family there would have been motorcycles and bodies scattered all over that road. I’d be shooting out of one window and my wife would be shooting out the other. And we wouldn’t run out of ammo with that little gang of wannabe punks.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Since I hate Range Rovers (and people who think it’s ok to drive a 4,000 pound vehicle over other people just because they are annoying)… and I hate morons that do what that first biker did, I have no remorse for either of them except that society is forced to live with both of them.
What would I do? Nothing exciting. First, I’d apologize for owning a Range Rover, but then I’d make sure the idiot that brake-checked me was OK.
“Sire, it belongs in truth to the Church of God, in whose name I speak, to endure blows and not to inflict them. But it will also please your Majesty to remember that she is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.”…Theodore Beza
Range Rover… Bike. I wouldn’t have gotten off the interstate. A biker has no chance against a rolling tank and said biker is not firing a weapon, if they had one, with much accuracy at high way speed.
911,…" I’m being attacked by a group of a hundred bikers, I have my wife and child in my car. I am scared for my family’s life and also my own. Please help, I don’t know what to do to protect my family’s life. Oh God Please help me they are attacking me, I have to hang up now to save my life. God help us."
Now for some slight weaving. All HollyWood crap aside, a bike is no match for a Range Rover. And that particular “biker” group doesn’t seem like much to worry with for experienced riders.
Since I hate Range Rovers (and people who think it’s ok to drive a 4,000 pound vehicle over other people just because they are annoying)… and I hate morons that do what that first biker did, I have no remorse for either of them except that society is forced to live with both of them.
What would I do? Nothing exciting. First, I’d apologize for owning a Range Rover, but then I’d make sure the idiot that brake-checked me was OK.
“Sire, it belongs in truth to the Church of God, in whose name I speak, to endure blows and not to inflict them. But it will also please your Majesty to remember that she is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.”…Theodore Beza
Matt, are you saying that you would have gotten out of the vehicle to check and see if the rider that brake checked you was ok? I guess the driver may have done that (we can’t see) only to have everyone around saying they were going to kick his you know what. At that point, I wouldn’t care at all how he was and I would get the heck out of there any way I could. I am with Fred with not getting off of the interstate.
Let’s be honest, we can’t see clearly what was happening for 10-15 seconds just before the driver ran over the first group of bikers, so we don’t have all of the facts. Everything just escalated and went down hill from there. Who knows, but I think it would be a good idea to at least have a cracked window before killing someone to prove that they were trying to get in the car. Then again, if there was a gun or baseball bat or something involved, that’s a good enough reason for me to run people over. They have to produce a weapon though in my mind to make cause for an imminent threat. Banging bare fists on the side of a car is not grounds for lethal action I wouldn’t think. That’s what insurance is for and what 911 is for. A screaming child in the back seat is not grounds for killing someone, no matter how scared they are. There has to be a danger to one’s life. And with that many witnesses against you, you might want to have some physical evidence.
That being said, if there was a helmet bashing the window right from the start, somebody would have gotten blasted.
And, that being said… It’s really hard to know what one would do until they are in that situation.
Also, how is this not all over national news??? That’s a heck of a story!
Matt, just curious, why do you hate Range Rovers? I wouldn’t have one because they are expensive to buy, very expensive to have worked on and according to Consumer Reports not very reliable. What’s your view? As far as the driver thinking its ok to run over people with a vehicle I seriously doubt he actually thought it was ok, it looks to me like he was extremely scarred and trying to get away and insure the safety of his wife and child as well as himself. He could have acted much more aggressively. He didn’t run over anyone, just their bikes which were blocking his avenue of escape. No one was killed. The only injuries were to the guy who did the brake check who deserved the broken leg he suffered, and to the driver of the Range Rover who suffered bruising and lacerations to his face. Matt please don’t be offended by this. I’ve read you’re posts and replies and for that reason believe you are a very intelligent good hearted man. That said however, having experienced what mob mentality can do to peoples behavior I don’t believe any intelligent person would have gotten out of his vehicle and faced this crowd, especially with loved ones in the vehicle.
Skinneej, you’re right we can’t see clearly what was happening for 10 - 15 seconds before the driver ran over the group of BIKES. However, we can very clearly see that the idiots were riding recklessly and heedlessly with no concern for anyone else on the road. So I can’t imagine they were acting anymore reasonably to their fool of a friend lying on the ground with a broken leg. I’d be willing to bet the driver assumed (quite correctly I believe) that he and his family were in imminent danger. You are also right that a baby screaming in the back seat is no reason to take a life under ordinary circumstances. These were obviously not ordinary circumstances, at least for the driver anyway, and any father who would not be willing to do anything to protect his child is no father at all. I’m sure that most, if not all of the fathers who frequent this site would not argu
Let’s be honest, we can’t see clearly what was happening for 10-15 seconds just before the driver ran over the first group of bikers, so we don’t have all of the facts. Everything just escalated and went down hill from there. Who knows, but I think it would be a good idea to at least have a cracked window before killing someone to prove that they were trying to get in the car. Then again, if there was a gun or baseball bat or something involved, that’s a good enough reason for me to run people over. They have to produce a weapon though in my mind to make cause for an imminent threat. Banging bare fists on the side of a car is not grounds for lethal action I wouldn’t think. That’s what insurance is for and what 911 is for. A screaming child in the back seat is not grounds for killing someone, no matter how scared they are. There has to be a danger to one’s life. And with that many witnesses against you, you might want to have some physical evidence.
That being said, if there was a helmet bashing the window right from the start, somebody would have gotten blasted.
And, that being said… It’s really hard to know what one would do until they are in that situation.
Also, how is this not all over national news??? That’s a heck of a story!
I respectfully disagree with the part in bold in this case. If it is just 3-4 people around me, then yes a weapon may need to be present for me to feel like my or my family’s life is being threatened, but in this case when there are 25-20 people around you vehicle, yelling who knows what at you, and you look in the rear view only to see 50-60 more bikers coming, then your and your family’s life is threatened in that vehicle. If I want to leave a scene in my vehicle and a mob is not allowing me to do that, i
It is all over the national news this morning. What that video didn’t show was the end where the bikers dragged the driver out of the car, beat him half to death and cutting his face with a knife.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
No one was killed or even injured. It appears as though the driver waited until he saw a clear path and ran over the bikes.
It wouldn’t be hard to navigate a vehicle out of that first situation dodging people, unless someone just foolishly jumped in front of a moving tank.
As far as a weapon present, or feeling a threat Skinnij. How can you say 30+ angry people are not a threat to life and limb. You must give yourself mad props in your ability to talk yourself out of a situation. I myself would not put my families life on the line with the HOPE of being able to smooth things over. When you are alone and put yourself in a bad situation I understand your beliefs, but when it is your duty to protect those that can’t protect themselves, it takes an entirely different mindset.
However you are right that we do not know what started this. He could have thrown a bottle at one of them, called them a racial slur, or even threatened to run them over. Even if he did all of those things, it does not give them the right to stop his vehicle and advance on his grounds.
Looks like some BBW crap I went through a few years back. Maybe he should get rid of the RR and get an F350 instead. Moses parted the red sea and a CC LWB 7.3L 4X4 muddy F350 rolling black smoke’ll run em in the ditches.
Put them in the wall. Piss on a bunch of riding hoodlums that want to act like that, let them eat pavement.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
No one was killed or even injured. It appears as though the driver waited until he saw a clear path and ran over the bikes.
It wouldn’t be hard to navigate a vehicle out of that first situation dodging people, unless someone just foolishly jumped in front of a moving tank.
As far as a weapon present, or feeling a threat Skinnij. How can you say 30+ angry people are not a threat to life and limb. You must give yourself mad props in your ability to talk yourself out of a situation. I myself would not put my families life on the line with the HOPE of being able to smooth things over. When you are alone and put yourself in a bad situation I understand your beliefs, but when it is your duty to protect those that can’t protect themselves, it takes an entirely different mindset.
However you are right that we do not know what started this. He could have thrown a bottle at one of them, called them a racial slur, or even threatened to run them over. Even if he did all of those things, it does not give them the right to stop his vehicle and advance on his grounds.
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First of all, there are two things that you need to know:
1) I clearly said that it's hard to know what I would do in that situation unless I was in it. I NEVER said, "This is what I would have definitely done", so please do not imply that I would not take the necessary steps to protect my family. I am no pushover...
2) EVERYONE on this forum knows that I am pro-self defense and would drop someone in a skinnee minute. That doesn't mean I want to spend life in prison because I was "scared"...
Part of the “self defense” doctrine dictates that there ACTUALLY has to be a real imminent threat (not just that you are scared). There has to be th
And again, I also clearly said that if someone was trying to breach the car or displayed a weapon, then I would have definitely run over them. But as long as the car is providing adequate safety, I don’t think someone is LEGALLY allowed to take a life. Once that car fails shows imminent threat of failing to provide an adequate barrier, then the rules change, but not until then!
