quote:I think you made that part up! 99% of the bikers are just sitting there wondering what the hell is going on. Yes, a few of them approach the car, but it is hard to tell how many, and we cannot see what they are doing. What if they are yelling, "Get your ass out of that car you SOB!" (implying that the car is a protective barrier that they cannot get through with their bare hands). There law is pretty clear that there has to be an immediate threat to your life. It does no say, "any time you are scared for your life". If you ump the gun and start killing people because you are scared, you could end up in prison. That's no life for me!!!
Originally posted by RWLI respectfully disagree with the part in bold in this case. If it is just 3-4 people around me, then yes a weapon may need to be present for me to feel like my or my family’s life is being threatened, but in this case when there are 25-20 people around you vehicle, yelling who knows what at you, and you look in the rear view only to see 50-60 more bikers coming, then your and your family’s life is threatened in that vehicle.
A little more info from NY Post. Sounds like they were looking for trouble and found it.
New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said authorities are trying to identify some of bikers in the attack, but they did not have license plates on their motorcycles, the NY Daily News reports.
Authorities say the bikers were in the city for an event called Hollywood Stuntz, where they intended to drive around Manhattan doing tricks, NBC New York reports.
Kelly said the group showed up in Times Square and disrupted traffic. Police arrested 15 of them and issued summonses to several others. They also seized 55 motorcycles in connection with the event, NBC New York reports.
New York Police and Fire Department officials told the NY Daily News that one biker suffered a broken leg in the incident.
I would have been on the phone with 911 after the first confrontation because it’s obvious they were trying to intimidate this guy. If the police didn’t show to help then I would have shown them my cell phone and my Sig at the 4 minute mark to let them know I was on the phone and would defend my girls. If that didn’t work, then the guy trying to open the door at 5:05 would have been laying on the ground about 5:04…and the video would have shown more bikers on the ground if anyone else had tried it. It would not have gotten to the part where they are bashing in his window.
I’ve got girls and a I decided a long time ago that I would push the line on being proactive/reactive and go to jail before anything came close to harming them.
I bet the guy with the helmet cam is going to be the star witness for the prosecution…every once in a while recording your every move comes back to bite you, or your biker buds.
Update…they have arrested the biker involved in the initial altercation. More arrests to come.
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Gene Hill, Passing a Good Time.
Too bad that they are in one of the prime libtard states. Bikers probably will get off with time in jail, and then the RR driver will loose a huge civil case. Hate crime against bikers and interfering with there civil rights.
You are correct, I assumed that they reached for the door handle when he first pulled off. The police said they tried to damage his vehicle when he first drove off, in the video the second time he was stopped the guy actually got the door open.
Let me be clear, if a gang of 30 people surround my car, and one guy puts his hand on my door handle, they are getting run over. That’s the breach in my book. I am not going to wait for them to smash the window, or damage the vehicle.
I’ll pull m gun on a homeless guy in Cola if he walks up to my car and puts his hand the door handle. It’ll be easy too as I will already have it drawn just on his approach.
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Originally posted by skinneejAnd again, I also clearly said that if someone was trying to breach the car or displayed a weapon, then I would have definitely run over them. But as long as the car is providing adequate safety, I don’t think someone is LEGALLY allowed to take a life. Once that car fails shows imminent threat of failing to provide an adequate barrier, then the rules change, but not until then!
A guy walked up to a car in Charleston and tried to open the door. Not sure if it got open or not, but the guy in the car shot him through the door, and the cops said the door was closed. He fled the scene, and his buddies in the Escalade in the back picked him up. Can’t remember if he died or not, but no charges were filed.
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Originally posted by GeronimoYou are correct, I assumed that they reached for the door handle when he first pulled off. The police said they tried to damage his vehicle when he first drove off
Yes, it’s hard to see anything in that 10 seconds which, unfortunately is the most critical in the decision process. The police weren’t there, so they are speculating as well or just taking what the driver says. I don’t necessarily doubt it though. In my mind, there is a difference between someone trying to actively enter your vehicle versus pounding your car (vandalism). How one perceives that action is a different story I guess
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in the video the second time he was stopped the guy actually got the door open.
Yes, indeed. That was after things have escalated. It’s at another level by that point. If I had seen that at the very onset, then it might be more clear in my mind, but I didn’t see it. Once things get set into motion, it goes downhill quickly.
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Let me be clear, if a gang of 30 people surround my car, and one guy puts his hand on my door handle, they are getting run over. That's the breach in my book. I am not going to wait for them to smash the window, or damage the vehicle.
But what if your door is locked? You are at the mercy of a judge at that point. Can you shoot someone on your doorstep at your house if they are turning the door handle? I don’t know for sure that you can send them
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Originally posted by hhi anglerToo bad that they are in one of the prime libtard states. Bikers probably will get off with time in jail, and then the RR driver will loose a huge civil case. Hate crime against bikers and interfering with there civil rights.
Here you go:
"They went up on the sidewalk. It was just so many of them that they took up the whole street,? one witness told The Daily News.
Lien, who is reportedly the director of the e-commerce firm Skrill.com, was rushed to Columbia University Medical Center, where he received stitches to his face and chest and had two black eyes, the report said. Edwin Mieses, one of the motorcycle riders struck by Lien, may be left a paraplegic, the report said.
?My son just got out of surgery. Now we have to contend with his situation that he will never walk again,? the injured man?s father, Rev. Edwin Mieses posted on Facebook, The Daily News reported.
?This man needs to know he hurt someone,? Edwin Mieses’ wife Dayana Mieses told Boston.CBSLocal.com. ?That man paralyzed my husband. He needs to pay for what he did.?
Dayana Mieses told the station that her husband has injuries to his heart, lungs and ribs and that he is paralyzed from the waist down.
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Maybe this will help you a little better understand.
They slashed his tires before he sped off. You don’t see them slash his tires in any other part of the video so it had to be in the beginning.
He had to pull off the interstate because he was running on flats.
Here is the picture of the man bleeding on the ground while his 2 year old daughter watches.
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quote:Ah more facts. That's pretty much what I said was missing to begin with. It still doesn't mean you can shoot a homeless man for grabbing your door handle :wink:
Originally posted by GeronimoMaybe this will help you a little better understand.
They slashed his tires before he sped off. You don’t see them slash his tires in any other part of the video so it had to be in the beginning.
He had to pull off the interstate because he was running on flats.
Here is the picture of the man bleeding on the ground while his 2 year old daughter watches.
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I never said I would shoot them. If they tried to do anything else to breach the car, crack the window, pull a knife, etc. then I would have to make a decision. I will say that I believe I would pull the trigger faster with the family in the car than alone.
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quote:I've always heard you should never pull a gun on someone unless you are prepared to use it!
Originally posted by GeronimoI never said I would shoot them. If they tried to do anything else to breach the car, crack the window, pull a knife, etc. then I would have to make a decision. I will say that I believe I would pull the trigger faster with the family in the car than alone.
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What part of any of that made it look like I wasn’t prepared to use it.
It’s simple you keep advancing on me and I will use it. So now you are quick draw McGraw and will wait until the precise moment that you need to send a bullet down range to draw?
Let’s try to use common sense, I am not advocating going around brandishing your weapon, but at some point if you feel threatened a gun may need to be pulled. Hopefully you won’t have to squeeze the trigger, but just because you didn’t does that mean you shouldn’t have drew? Come on.
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So, what would it take for you to shoot the homeless man? I’m just trying to find your threshold here.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:I think you made that part up! 99% of the bikers are just sitting there wondering what the hell is going on. Yes, a few of them approach the car, but it is hard to tell how many, and we cannot see what they are doing. What if they are yelling, "Get your ass out of that car you SOB!" (implying that the car is a protective barrier that they cannot get through with their bare hands). There law is pretty clear that there has to be an immediate threat to your life. It does no say, "any time you are scared for your life". If you ump the gun and start killing people because you are scared, you could end up in prison. That's no life for me!!!
Originally posted by RWLI respectfully disagree with the part in bold in this case. If it is just 3-4 people around me, then yes a weapon may need to be present for me to feel like my or my family’s life is being threatened, but in this case when there are 25-20 people around you vehicle, yelling who knows what at you, and you look in the rear view only to see 50-60 more bikers coming, then your and your family’s life is threatened in that vehicle.
Never said I would bring out the gun at that point. I would however drive out of there over bikes if need be, just like the driver. I think it is safe to assume that a group of them were acting toward the driver the same as we see during the rest of the chase. Why else would someone feel the need to high tail it out of there over bikes? I wouldn’t start shooting until they started hitting my window with their helmet trying to gain entry into my vehicle. I will take my chances
MidwayUSA has Ruger BX25 mags in stock right now. Just FYI.
Poor biker guy! 
Is that the one who brake checked him? That guy is a genius if it is!
Also, I believe in SC your car is considered the same as being in your house and the castle doctrine applies. I believe the incident mentioned is the one where the older guy had an altercation with a younger man and when he went outside and got in his car he noticed the younger man approaching with a weapon. He drew his gun and shot him before he reached his car. the castle doctrine applied and thus no charges. Don’t think they have that rule in NY.
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Originally posted by skinneejSo, what would it take for you to shoot the homeless man? I’m just trying to find your threshold here.
Don’t know, and hope to never find out.
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strangely reminds me of blackhawk down. What would be the perfect gun to defend your family in this situation? …Mac-10, Uzi
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Originally posted by RWLMatt, are you saying that you would have gotten out of the vehicle to check and see if the rider that brake checked you was ok? I guess the driver may have done that (we can’t see) only to have everyone around saying they were going to kick his you know what. At that point, I wouldn’t care at all how he was and I would get the heck out of there any way I could. I am with Fred with not getting off of the interstate.
I can’t say exactly what I would have done in that situation, but if I knew I ran over someone (obviously by accident) then yes I probably would have stopped to help him, even if he was an ass for brake-checking me. Yes, perhaps I’m putting myself in danger, perhaps not.
If they were slashing my tires BEFORE the brake-check/bump, then I probably wouldn’t.
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Originally posted by saltwater420Matt, just curious, why do you hate Range Rovers? I wouldn’t have one because they are expensive to buy, very expensive to have worked on and according to Consumer Reports not very reliable. What’s your view?
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Overpriced, unreliable, gas hogs. Had a neighbor with one that lost the alternator, $600 just for the alternator. Most of the previous generations were butt ugly status symbols. Newer ones like the one in this video look OK but I still don’t like them. Personal taste. I don’t like Dodges either for the same reasons lol.
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As far as the driver thinking its ok to run over people with a vehicle I seriously doubt he actually thought it