What point was proven other than folks want you off this site?
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
Move back to Florida??? another local yocal that thinks he owns the ocean type guy…Thanks for helping prove some of my points.
quote:Originally posted by yakman72
Toppyblue, Im not really sure why you insist on positing ridiculous things and then getting defensive when someone tells you off. I sincerely hope youre a huge troll and you dont really believe these foolish ideals. But please do us all and yourself a favor and get off the site, and possibly move back to floride. Where you can harass the Florida Fish and Wildlife Department. Or at least go down to the SCDNR and have a serious talk with the biologists there. The DNR is open Mon-Fri 9-5.
And for gods sake learn your hooks and rigs if you want to conserve our beautiful redfishery without bi*ching on the interweb
Serious question,how about selling to restaurants?Thanks in advance.
quote:Originally posted by 23Sailfish
Redfish can be legally sold in the state of SC. It must come from a state like NC that allows commercial harvest of the red drum. If you are selling it to the public, necessary paperwork must also accompany the fish as proof of origin.
Redfish can be legally sold in the state of SC. It must come from a state like NC that allows commercial harvest of the red drum. If you are selling it to the public, necessary paperwork must also accompany the fish as proof of origin."
What’s the justification for NC still allowing the commercial harvest of reds? You would think that since SC, GA and FL have all outlawed it, they would follow suit.
Is the commercial fishery for reds that large and support that many jobs in NC?
Is there a lot of pressure and money from commercial interests going to the lawmakers?
I’ve never followed the debate in NC, not even sure if there is one.
Recreational anglers have been trying for years to ban the usage of gill nets in NC. If you ever fish up there, it’s a joke. Every fishy-looking bay is COVERED in gill nets to point where you can’t even navigate. It is a hot-button issue up there as croneyism (sp?) in the legislature is what is protecting the gill netters.
quote:Originally posted by bonecrusher
[quote]Originally posted by 23Sailfish
Redfish can be legally sold in the state of SC. It must come from a state like NC that allows commercial harvest of the red drum. If you are selling it to the public, necessary paperwork must also accompany the fish as proof of origin."
What’s the justification for NC still allowing the commercial harvest of reds? You would think that since SC, GA and FL have all outlawed it, they would follow suit.
Is the commercial fishery for reds that large and support that many jobs in NC?
Is there a lot of pressure and money from commercial interests going to the lawmakers?
I’ve never followed the debate in NC, not even sure if there is one.
So, If i go to a restaurant and order blackened redfish it will be served with this documentation tracing the fish?? Some of you local guys should ask the restaurants that serve reds for their tracking papers…Kinda like police work that started this thread in the first place… What restaurants do you sell to sir??
quote:Originally posted by 23Sailfish
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
Serious question,how about selling to restaurants?Thanks in advance.
quote:Originally posted by 23Sailfish
Redfish can be legally sold in the state of SC. It must come from a state like NC that allows commercial harvest of the red drum. If you are selling it to the public, necessary paperwork must also accompany the fish as proof of origin.
Very good question. probably some sort of license with a specific limit allowed to harvest.Do not really know…But you can bet there are ways for greedy guys to exceed any limit.Especially when money is involved…maybe we need to follow some of those guys and if they catch any 3 or more miles off shore,call the coast guard to get them.
quote:Originally posted by bonecrusher
[quote]Originally posted by 23Sailfish
Redfish can be legally sold in the state of SC. It must come from a state like NC that allows commercial harvest of the red drum. If you are selling it to the public, necessary paperwork must also accompany the fish as proof of origin."
What’s the justification for NC still allowing the commercial harvest of reds? You would think that since SC, GA and FL have all outlawed it, they would follow suit.
Is the commercial fishery for reds that large and support that many jobs in NC?
Is there a lot of pressure and money from commercial interests going to the lawmakers?
I’ve never followed the debate in NC, not even sure if there is one.
Come on toppypicker…gil nets blocking navigation???
The “chrummyism” of politicians and special interest groups should be a felony with time behind bars…That will never happen as they will not encarcerate themselves.Kinda like the HSUS buying politicians tp pass absurd laws…They could really get the catch/release guys!But do not worry,for now they are targeting farmersof eggs,pork beef and hunters…And they are quite successful as they drove the hog farmers out of Florida…Look I do not support them , but if they ever decided to attack you guys(catch/release) it would be an easy target.can you imagine a statewide campaign showing guys laughing,smiling,photoing those precious reds then releasing the shocked,tramautized fish and patting each other on the back for pleasure or money? then getting a state wide referendum on the ballot via petition. They couldn,t get the fish for eating guys ,but city dwellers and dogooders would make an interesting ballot.
Trophy hunting for sport is frowned upon and soon to be extinct.The only defense hunter’s have is"I eat what I shoot".Unless the HSUS and other humaniac groups are stopped,sport fishing for fun could be a serious quest for them…“fisheaters will survive” sport fishing for fun “other than organized tournaments” (with strict rules for saving the fish) could also lose the battle.
As long as you eat them keep a reasonable limit, if not,you could become a target.
Also, maybe North Carolina natural resource reports show a different trend of red populations than SCDNR does.Not that any government agency would lean towards an agendae that helps their growth and power.
quote:Originally posted by RADDADDY
Recreational anglers have been trying for years to ban the usage of gill nets in NC. If you ever fish up there, it’s a joke. Every fishy-looking bay is COVERED in gill nets to point where you can’t even navi
Come on toppypicker…gil nets blocking navigation???
The “chrummyism” of politicians and special interest groups should be a felony with time behind bars…That will never happen as they will not encarcerate themselves.Kinda like the HSUS buying politicians tp pass absurd laws…They could really get the catch/release guys!But do not worry,for now they are targeting farmersof eggs,pork beef and hunters…And they are quite successful as they drove the hog farmers out of Florida…Look I do not support them , but if they ever decided to attack you guys(catch/release) it would be an easy target.can you imagine a statewide campaign showing guys laughing,smiling,photoing those precious reds then releasing the shocked,tramautized fish and patting each other on the back for pleasure or money? then getting a state wide referendum on the ballot via petition. They couldn,t get the fish for eating guys ,but city dwellers and dogooders would make an interesting ballot.
Trophy hunting for sport is frowned upon and soon to be extinct.The only defense hunter’s have is"I eat what I shoot".Unless the HSUS and other humaniac groups are stopped,sport fishing for fun could be a serious quest for them…“fisheaters will survive” sport fishing for fun “other than organized tournaments” (with strict rules for saving the fish) could also lose the battle.
As long as you eat them keep a reasonable limit, if not,you could become a target.
Also, maybe North Carolina natural resource reports show a different trend of red populations than SCDNR does.Not that any government agency would lean towards an agendae that helps their growth and power.
Ignorance is truly bliss~! doubt rattatattdaddy could even comprehend that concept.At any rate , I apologize if anyone has felt offended by my posts…Just telling it like I see it…Adios!
quote:Originally posted by RADDADDY
You just shifted from delusional to retarded!
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
Come on toppypicker…gil nets blocking navigation???
The “chrummyism” of politicians and special interest groups should be a felony with time behind bars…That will never happen as they will not encarcerate themselves.Kinda like the HSUS buying politicians tp pass absurd laws…They could really get the catch/release guys!But do not worry,for now they are targeting farmersof eggs,pork beef and hunters…And they are quite successful as they drove the hog farmers out of Florida…Look I do not support them , but if they ever decided to attack you guys(catch/release) it would be an easy target.can you imagine a statewide campaign showing guys laughing,smiling,photoing those precious reds then releasing the shocked,tramautized fish and patting each other on the back for pleasure or money? then getting a state wide referendum on the ballot via petition. They couldn,t get the fish for eating guys ,but city dwellers and dogooders would make an interesting ballot.
Trophy hunting for sport is frowned upon and soon to be extinct.The only defense hunter’s have is"I eat what I shoot".Unless the HSUS and other humaniac groups are stopped,sport fishing for fun could be a serious quest for them…“fisheaters will survive” sport fishing for fun “other than organized tournaments” (with strict rules for saving the fish) could also lose the battle.
As long as you eat them keep a reasonable limit, if not,you could become a target.
They farm reds in TX for consumption, fly them to airports all over, come with an ID tag. DNR inspects seafood restaurants for tags on shellfish and finfish regularly.
I believe there should be a poll so we can vote and show Raddaddy how charlestonfishing disagrees with his crazy logic and posting of things like “science” and “data”
Wow toppyblue…your loosing me again. “chrummyism”? Did you mean “cronyism”? Because that I can understand. But “chrummyism”…uuuh…the idea of being crummy? Or maybe the ideal that crummy is the way to be? Oh maybe that politicians are all crummy. We already know that. Or maybe the " " was supposed to make it funny? Ya know like the kid on the AT&T comercial. Anyways, sorry for the interuption.
carry on Sir…this is really great reading.
Are those the very same biologists that brought the wolves and coyotes here??/What a failure! Are they also the same ones that stocked those little varmints that ate all the bird eggs?
FYI:All that stuff they (Marine biologists)learned in college books is readily available to all on the internet, if you can log on and search for it.
Of all the inane stuff that you have posted on this thread, I find these two paragraphs to be the most amusing. First, marine biologists did not bring wolves or coyotes to SC. The “marine” in the name denotes that they deal with saltwater sea life.
Second, do you think that the information on red drum life history, etc. just appeared magically on the internet for you to read? Is it possible that marine biologists were the very ones that conducted the research and made that information available?
This is just too much… I really got a kick out of reading both this thread and the other one… I’ve bit my tounge as much as possible but this is just too much…
So… per your request Toppy… i’m gonna give it to you point by point… the following statements are all provable fact… not conjecture opinion or slander… just facts… ok lets go.
1.) Of all the things SC does poorly, redfish management is not one of them. In fact… we are the standard by which most states have based their management efforts off of. So coming on here and telling those of us who fish here and see the work, sweat, and blood that this states DNR have poured into the redfish stock and telling us that you “think” that there is a better way… probly not gonna fly. The redfish populations are looking good… just let the folks that get paid to do the research make the laws…
2.) We all participate in a blood sport. To go out there and think that fishing (no matter the motivation or end result for the animal) has no impact is naive and wrong. But where you are wrong is assuming that we (catch and release anglers) don’t know that. I fly fish almost exclusively… as such 99% of the fish I catch are lip hooked. I’ve also spent enough time on the water to know how to fight a fish, quickly land them, handle them properly, and release them. Do some die even with all that effort… probably… does this mean the laws need to be changed no… but you can stop your rant about us being “High and mighty catch and release” fishermen who are just out there to traumatize the fish. Eat em’ if you want… i don’t like the taste of reds personally so I don’t kill em’… to each his own.
3.) Stainless steel does exist… period… no its not an element… but things that are not elements litterally surround you at this very moment… they exist… so does Stainless steel… and Gamakatsu does not use it in their hooks… you fish nickle plated hooks… period… not gonna elaborate any more on this… its just a fact.
