quote:Sorry, I mean the other question... "What is the captain's meeting for?"
Originally posted by bangstickI covered why I believe pre-tournament meetings, or “captain’s meetings,” should be mandatory and what I believe they are for in my last couple of posts. Granted, I base that on my tournament experience and not that of old salts such as yourself, but just because I didn’t give the answer you may or may not have wanted, doesn’t mean I didn’t answer it.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
quote:Okay, so you believe that the tournament was poorly run and that the proper people ducked out of the meeting early to get a drink, ye
Originally posted by Chadquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:Why make it mandatory? Why not just give people the opportunity to be responsible if they want to? Would you start taking attendance? The way I see it, if you don't make it to the Captain's meeting and there is a change, that's on you.
Originally posted by bangstick
Why make it mandatory? So things like this do not happen. Most big poker runs have a capts meeting. EVERY race from power boats to go carts has a drivers meeting that you have to be at. From what I see the big money tournaments have mandatory meetings as well.
Yes, they do take attendance. If you’re not there you don’t race or do the poker runs. Reason for cat’s meetings are to avoid this kinda crap. Like I said before…in this meeting it lasted 5 mins. These are the rules. Someone said 7pm they said no its 6pm then as the guy heading things up is speaking the chick they put on the committee boat was like…Im ready to blow this popsicle stand and get my drink on peace out. So of course last thing she heard was the 7pm being tossed around. If they have the tournament next year you best believe the meeting will be mandatory and if its not. Something like this is bound to happen again.
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You got my answer. You’re going to have find someone else to take the bait. Thanks for playing though. Lol!!!
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
I don’t know what qualifies as an “old salt” is, but I’m not that old. And I have fished some tournaments (and won money :)). But, I always went to the captain’s meeting because I wanted to get as much information as I could. Nobody told me that I had to go. There are people that might be coming in from the upstate that just can’t attend. I want to win their money too… I have found that it spends just as easily as the guys who went to the captain’s meeting. The way I see it, if they want to work off of limited information, that’s their choice.
That being said, I don’t think the meetings should be for “changes”. I think they should just clarify and remind of the printed rules. If the printed rules were ambiguous, then that should have been straightened out beforehand. But in the grand scheme of things, it seems that the mistake is in the written rules, not whether or not the meeting is mandatory.
So is there a verdict on this thing yet?
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Originally posted by skinneejI don’t know what qualifies as an “old salt” is, but I’m not that old. And I have fished some tournaments (and won money :)). But, I always went to the captain’s meeting because I wanted to get as much information as I could. Nobody told me that I had to go. There are people that might be coming in from the upstate that just can’t attend. I want to win their money too… I have found that it spends just as easily as the guys who went to the captain’s meeting. The way I see it, if they want to work off of limited information, that’s their choice.
That being said, I don’t think the meetings should be for “changes”. I think they should just clarify and remind of the printed rules. If the printed rules were ambiguous, then that should have been straightened out beforehand. But in the grand scheme of things, it seems that the mistake is in the written rules, not whether or not the meeting is mandatory.
Bingo! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!..I wasn’t there, but it sounds like the rules were ambiguous and contractually so… by being written both ways and further confused at the captain’s meeting.
Although our general practice is to attend the captain’s meeting, I don’t think it should be mandatory especially for these smaller (at least moneywise) tournaments. If you were coming from up state or even a few inlets away, sometimes its not feasible to attend the meeting in time but you can still otherwise join in…this makes the tournament and Calcutta more interesting…
Rules are rules…problem is, both of these boats and the rest of the fleet for that matter have a legitimate beef…none of them are wrong as it plainly states it both ways on the poorly written rule sheet.
Again none of these boats are wrong and none of them need to be beaten up
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Sorry, I mean the other question... "What is the captain's meeting for?"
Captains meetings are for free drinks, raffle prizes, and to ensure catrageous type people know the rules and don’t catch their $$$ YFT’s before lines in time…
But I suppose they’re also good for this latest crop of 23Ricky types that need a good hand holding before venturing out after seasonal pelagics…
Personally, I knew something was wrong with this tournament when there weren’t any restrictions on braid color. I mean, if you are going to allow white braid, then I might as well just train porpoises to go out and kill my fish for me…
Who’s with me?
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Originally posted by skinneejPersonally, I knew something was wrong with this tournament when there weren’t any restrictions on braid color. I mean, if you are going to allow white braid, then I might as well just train porpoises to go out and kill my fish for me…
Who’s with me?
Thread closed, we can’t win from here.
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Originally posted by skinneejPersonally, I knew something was wrong with this tournament when there weren’t any restrictions on braid color. I mean, if you are going to allow white braid, then I might as well just train porpoises to go out and kill my fish for me…
Who’s with me?
Watch out now! 40yearprofessional might see this.
Seriously though, I’d be curious to hear how this plays out and if the tournament organizers take any responsibility and/or action to resolve this issue.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
quote:Checkmate
Originally posted by FishingDuoThread closed, we can’t win from here.
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Originally posted by RWLSo is there a verdict on this thing yet?
Not yet. I think the Bohicket people are either in hiding or hope this issue magically disappears. I know a couple people are waiting on returned phone calls.
My guess is the tourney committee are discussing a solution to satisfy those in the money.
Not sure a “Sorry, we’ll try to do better next year” is the right answer.
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Both of the big dolphin boats should be declared tied for first place and both paid first place money. The rest of the tournament places would fall in place.
Whoever is responsible for tournament needs to go to the hip or the bank one and make it right if they expect continue this tournament in the future.
Take it as a lesson and move on…
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Give,Give… Never Take.”
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Interestingly enough, they state in their billfish tournament that changes at the captains meeting take precedence over the printed rules. Different tournament though.
Were there any other fish weighed in between 6 and 645 or so when the 62# fish was weighed? If the officials/scale operator/committee boat/etc believed the scales were closed at 6, WHY was the 62# fish even weighed? Why didn’t they just say “you’re too late, go home, sorry?”
Just seems like somehow, between 6PM and whenever the 62# fish was weighed, that this dilemma came up in some discussion. Was it determined at that time that it was 7?
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:
Originally posted by Chadquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:Why make it mandatory? Why not just give people the opportunity to be responsible if they want to? Would you start taking attendance? The way I see it, if you don't make it to the Captain's meeting and there is a change, that's on you.
Originally posted by bangstick
Why make it mandatory? So things like this do not happen. Most big poker runs have a capts meeting. EVERY race from power boats to go carts has a drivers meeting that you have to be at. From what I see the big money tournaments have mandatory meetings as well.
Yes, they do take attendance. If you’re not there you don’t race or do the poker runs. Reason for cat’s meetings are to avoid this kinda crap. Like I said before…in this meeting it lasted 5 mins. These are the rules. Someone said 7pm they said no its 6pm then as the guy heading things up is speaking the chick they put on the committee boat was like…Im ready to blow this popsicle stand and get my drink on peace out. So of course last thing she heard was the 7pm being tossed around. If they have the tournament next year you best believe the meeting will be mandatory and if its not. Something like this is bound to happen again.
Fountain 32CC with that Verado power
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Originally posted by Chadquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:
Originally posted by Chadquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:Why make it mandatory? Why not just give people the opportunity to be responsible if they want to? Would you start taking attendance? The way I see it, if you don't make it to the Captain's meeting and there is a change, that's on you.
Originally posted by bangstick
Why make it mandatory? So things like this do not happen. Most big poker runs have a capts meeting. EVERY race from power boats to go carts has a drivers meeting that you have to be at. From what I see the big money tournaments have mandatory meetings as well.
Yes, they do take attendance. If you’re not there you don’t race or do the poker runs. Reason for cat’s meetings are to avoid this kinda crap. Like I said before…in this meeting it lasted 5 mins. These are the rules. Someone said 7pm they said no its 6pm then as the guy heading things up is speaking the chick they put on the committee boat was like…Im ready to blow this popsicle stand and get my drink on peace out. So of course last thing she heard was the 7pm being tossed around. If they have the tournament next year you best believe the meeting wi
Fishing them for socialization and drinks is one thing. Thinking its a party when your job is to be the person all the capt’s can report to if need be is a whole other issue.
Committee boat this is the little boat that could …what time we got to be at the dock over?
Little boat that could…uhh I don’t know like 4 bug lights from now maybe? We busy fishing and getting drunk see ya when we see ya. Committee boat out.
Yeah for some reason thats not really the best way to run things. But hey…lets employe people and get them hammered to pass info on. Screw it its only a few grand no big deal.
Fountain 32CC with that Verado power
They aren’t working this thing for free. There is a financial benefit to the marina and the surrounding businesses with tournaments like this. Those involved in the tournament have an obligation to run things in an organized and fair manner when they put something like this on.
A $200 tournament won’t have all the pomp and circumstance that a $2,000 tournament has. That is understandable. But it still should be run in a fair and organized manner the moment you start taking people’s money.